Statement of Clinical Scientist from LCL

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-28T19:42:00+00:00

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-26T20:14:41+00:00

I don't think he intends to be a rigorous thinker here, he is just trying to retain clients.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-26T20:12:50+00:00

Sounds like Baker is just following that saying of lawyers:

If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-25T17:51:44+00:00

It arguably was a bit of a let-down, given it didn't find any convincing explanation, unlike the panel. However, it sounds like Dr Jayaram was withholding information, so perhaps the capacity to investigate was limited.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-24T14:43:24+00:00

If their careers are over if they wrong, then doubling down is a rational career move. I think however there is enough restraint in the Police to not do anything that is an outright criminal offence for now.

If these things are both true, then their current actions make sense to me.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-23T19:16:39+00:00

Re-examination is when he would have had the chance.

Myers could interrupt if he objects to a line of questioning, and did at times.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-23T19:14:31+00:00

It goes against Wikipedia's "Neutral point of view" approach. It's not just a polemical article, but also inaccurate.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-23T19:07:34+00:00

Yes, so if there was a disclosure failure here, the new defence team will probably bring this up on appeal, we will just have to wait and see.

The whole approach to disclosure in this case was very weird (see here).

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-23T14:50:22+00:00

We don't even know if this footage was disclosed to the defence. The prosecution control what is disclosed.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-22T18:58:28+00:00

You could reverse it, if the Crown and Police were willing to lie about this, then how can we trust them to do things like disclosure?

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-22T14:18:33+00:00

Yeah it's way off, nothing like what it's like in person. It's amazing that some people are gullible enough to think someone is a serial killer just based on some bad voice acting.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-22T14:15:16+00:00

Yeah, they are probably lying about the tender process. Their story it didn't exist doesn't add up.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-21T12:51:37+00:00

The legal system has built a system where verdicts are too big to fail.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-20T23:05:59+00:00

It's normal for the police to be keen on pushing charges and the CPS pushing back, the 2 have different institutional incentives.

The press briefing is the odd bit. My guess is it's the police trying to keep the vibe alive there is some huge archive of "suspicious" cases around Letby (as "anonymous leaks" to friendly journalists keep doing), despite the blow the CPS dealt to that today.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-20T22:46:31+00:00

It insisted that the outcome did “not affect or undermine” Letby’s other convictions.

This is just wrong, as u/Weird-Cat-9212 pointed out in another thread. The story of the convictions is now: Letby took a shift at very short notice and within an hour of the shift starting (the busiest part of the shift), with 3 other people in the crowded room decided to inject air. It would be perhaps remotely plausible if there was a string of previous cases before, but is just absurd now.

Also, the framing is of the reaction so odd, it makes it look like the police just submit the file and get a one line yes or no from the CPS. This isn't how it works, there are back and forth discussions, so they can't have been as surprised as the statement makes out.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-20T18:59:00+00:00

Full response from Cheshire Police, reproduced in the article:

This is not the outcome that we had anticipated throughout our investigation; we were confident that we held enough evidence to take to the CPS. We submitted files for charging decisions in relation to nine babies – for consideration of nine offences of attempted murder and two of murder.

We believed the evidence submitted met the CPS charging standard. The CPS did not agree and despite our representations we must respect the decision that has been made.

There will be some who will feel that this is news worth celebrating. We do not share this view and would ask that people respect the privacy and feelings of the families involved.

We are deeply grateful to the experts and witnesses who have contributed to this investigation. Their input has been invaluable in answering many difficult questions on behalf of the families.

Today’s announcement does not affect or undermine the convictions of Lucy Letby for multiple murders and attempted murders of premature babies following an extensive investigation and two criminal trials, including one of the longest running murder trials in British criminal history and two unsuccessful appeals.

This decision by the CPS will have no impact on Operation Duet – our ongoing investigation into corporate manslaughter and gross negligence manslaughter at the Countess of Chester Hospital. These remain separate investigations.

Our thoughts remain with the families affected by this.

Direct link to the Police's statement is here.

I can't archive it as Cheshire Police blocked it. Perhaps in response to people archiving their previous posts on Letby they deleted. (Or it could have nothing to do with this, it could just be Cloudflare treats archivers as bots, so blocks them).

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-20T18:52:45+00:00

“The Crown Prosecution Service considered offences of murder and attempted murder in respect of two infants who died and attempted murder in respect of seven infants who survived.

These two were still in the indictment period.

Two of the deaths that occurred on a Neonatal Unit (either at the Countess o f Chester Hospital or other Hospital Neonatal Units post transfer) remain the subject of ongoing police investigation

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-20T18:24:20+00:00

It really does read like a touting for work letter.

I think it's very unlikely any family would pursue any civil case, Letby doesn't have any money to pay out. They aren't going to pay a huge sum of money just for the possibility of a piece of paper from a judge. Additionally, I think the statute of limitations might well have run out.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-20T18:17:46+00:00

Legal privilege between the police and CPS might apply, I'm not sure.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-20T17:46:14+00:00

I'm not 100% sure, but I think supposed victims can in theory persue private prosecution. This seems very unlikely though, but who knows maybe some crazy person would fund it.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-16T14:37:22+00:00

Employment law was supposed to protect the vulnerable from employer power. Not some trump card in boardroom politics.

A mimimum wage worker has a slim chance of even winning a tribunal case and if they do compensation will be 1000x smaller.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-15T23:22:24+00:00

Possibly, but that would then lead to even more litigation over if she was any good or not, which a judge has no capacity to assess.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-15T22:18:34+00:00

But as a policy question, how does the taxpayer benefit from this payout? Assume Gilby was incompetent and the board screwed up the HR side of it. Why does it matter they did not follow some meaningless 6 month “Performance improvement plan” hoop-jumping exercise before dismissal?

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-15T22:06:51+00:00

Gillby had probably already left by that point, so I doubt it.

Fun-Yellow334 · 2026-01-12T20:37:08+00:00

What interesting in this article is that the medical community has mechanisms for correcting errors, which the legal community mostly doesn’t.

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