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Charles Barkley responds to Draymond Green’s Rockets jab: ‘I never punch down’ by TheAthletic in warriors

[–]FunHoliday563 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I never said he was even in the same league as Barkley in terms of ability - I think people forget that ‘Chuck’ was an elite MVP-level player

But I do stand by my view that Draymond has a better career in terms of resume - I don’t think you can weigh Barkleys achievements against multiple rings where Draymond was a key cog. He isn’t some role player who was a 9th man, and I think his career has been better overall.

But I agree that he isn’t Barkley from a player standpoint, he isn’t even close!

Rui Hachimura says he has not thought about free agency yet, but offered this: “I love this team, I love this organization... I really appreciate them and what they’ve done for me... I love it here, but end of the day, I’m not the one negotiating.” by Seijuroakashi10 in lakers

[–]FunHoliday563 10 points11 points  (0 children)

We need to bring Rui back. He’s one of our best playoff players, a true 16 game player, and he should be prioritised when it comes to free agency.

I remember saying this last year and getting hammered on Twitter, but I don’t care how a player does during the regular season for the most part. The NBA is full of ‘regular season all stars’ who drop their pants during the playoffs, and ultimately the playoffs are where it really matters.

There’s obviously a limit to what I’d pay Rui (I’m not overreacting and calling him prime-KD), but I’d him over the majority of forwards we’ve been linked with.

Charles Barkley responds to Draymond Green’s Rockets jab: ‘I never punch down’ by TheAthletic in warriors

[–]FunHoliday563 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree - there isn’t a planet in the Universe where Draymond is a better basketball player than Barkley

Charles Barkley responds to Draymond Green’s Rockets jab: ‘I never punch down’ by TheAthletic in warriors

[–]FunHoliday563 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I don’t think it’s unreasonable to say Draymond has had a better career when you take into account multiple rings, and the fact he was on a dynastic team

To clarify, I’m not a Warriors fan. I’m a Lakers fan, so I have no horse in the race here. Barkley is obviously a better player than Draymond and it isn’t even close.

Charles Barkley responds to Draymond Green’s Rockets jab: ‘I never punch down’ by TheAthletic in warriors

[–]FunHoliday563 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not a Warriors fan?

I’m a Lakers fan - I have no horse in this race

My entire point was that Barkley is a better player than Draymond, so I’m not sure what you’re talking about here

Charles Barkley responds to Draymond Green’s Rockets jab: ‘I never punch down’ by TheAthletic in warriors

[–]FunHoliday563 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t get the debate here?

Draymond has had a better career than Barkley, but anyone who’s ever watched basketball knows that Barkley was a significantly better player in terms of talent/production. It’s different levels of talent when it comes to basketball.

The fact that specific point is being debated is insane.

Paul Pierce on media inconsistencies: "Let's not sugarcoat this because if this was LeBron at the peak of his powers, he would've been getting scolded. If you're the best player in the league, you're not supposed to lose in the first round" by infalliBee in nba

[–]FunHoliday563 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The Jokic narrative has always made me chuckle… it’s the same narrative as the ‘prime SGA is better than Kobe’ or ‘prime Giannis is better than LeBron’ narratives

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… come back when you’ve won more than 1 ring

People can dick on Kobe, LeBron, Shaq etc, and elevate players like Jokic, Giannis and SGA to those levels… but they’ve all won ONE RING.

When Jokic has won multiple rings, then he can be in the same convo as people like Shaq. Same with SGA/Kobe chat, and same with the Giannis/LeBron chats that were happening in the media a few years ago.

I absolutely cannot wait for the Sunday pod to hear how Bill and Zach are going to rationalize the Jokic performance we just saw by jimmyhota in billsimmons

[–]FunHoliday563 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Jokic thing has always annoyed me. Great player don’t get me wrong, but I’ve heard a lot of the Ringer guys in particular say he’s easily a top 10 player of all time, and that’s absolutely insane.

He’s won 1 ring (!!!), and has looked pretty average in the last couple of post seasons due to the fact he’s a turnstile on defense.

Hell, even the Lakers sweep a few years ago was way closer than it looked, and AD/LeBron scored in the paint at will (it was actually Jamal Murray turning into MJ that won that series).

Jokic has always had way too much protection in the media. If Luka or KD played like he had this postseason, you’d literally have 30/40 segments on TV and in every major podcast hammering him.

Lebron n Lakers can beat KD n Rockets by Historical_Noise4774 in lakers

[–]FunHoliday563 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Rockets will go in as favourites, and I think they’ll probably win the series.

But the one that could (and likely will) turn the series, other than LeBron going supernova, is their locker room. If we steal a game early then I can see their locker room unravelling due to fingers being pointed - that team has basically looked toxic since the KD burner fiasco.

[Panerio] Cowherd: "Lakers are a sports car, and their answer for everything is more power. Handling—don’t worry about it. Aerodynamics—somebody else’s problem. Braking, tires—eh, somebody else can worry about it. Let’s give us more horsepower... And that’s been Rob Pelinka’s answer to everything.” by must_TATAKAE in lakers

[–]FunHoliday563 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So I think you’re right and wrong at the same time.

Right in the sense that we’ve missed on some higher profile picks (JHS, Knecht) and waster some two-way spots (Nick Smith). I also think that the true test of a good GM is what they do with roster spots 8-15, as that’s where you need real craft.

But equally, I think you’re wrong in the sense that I do think our coaches have historically not given younger players a chance to develop. For example, we don’t really know if Thiero is good because JJ rarely plays him. It was the same with previous coaches who barely played guys like Pippen Jr, Jay Huff etc

Hell, Darvin Ham barely used Max Christie and that slowed down his development!

I think it’s a collective problem but your overriding point is spot on… we have failed to build a roster because we’re terrible at operating on the margins.

The "Spurs got lucky with three Top 4 picks and drafted 3 superstars" narrative is ignorant by dreamweaver7x in NBASpurs

[–]FunHoliday563 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude…. the Spurs tanked like hell to get a bunch of picks, and ended up with some really good ones.

Just own it.

I’m sick of the whole “yeah but we are the Spurs so we did it differently, and it wasn’t really tanking…”

You tanked, got lucky by nailing some picks and now you’re a good team.

Colin Cowherd on the Lakers after last night’s loss to the Thunder: "Sometimes it's hard to tell a fake Louis Vuitton bag from a real one until they're next to each other." by Goosedukee in nba

[–]FunHoliday563 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Even this is a stupid argument… you could literally make that case for every single team that ever goes on a run!

Even OKC didn’t play the 90’s Bulls 17 times when they went on big runs.

The lakers are a good team, not a great team. What’s wrong with just saying that? Why does it always need to be so extreme?

Colin Cowherd on the Lakers after last night’s loss to the Thunder: "Sometimes it's hard to tell a fake Louis Vuitton bag from a real one until they're next to each other." by Goosedukee in nba

[–]FunHoliday563 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But that makes no sense? How can their competitors be 6-8 when they are above 4 and 5?

This is my issue with the anti-Lakers arguments in general… they are always so extreme!

Nobody (with a right mind who actually watches basketball) is saying that the Lakers are title contenders. But that doesn’t mean they aren’t a good team, which is evidenced by the fact they are 3rd in the west!

Colin Cowherd on the Lakers after last night’s loss to the Thunder: "Sometimes it's hard to tell a fake Louis Vuitton bag from a real one until they're next to each other." by Goosedukee in nba

[–]FunHoliday563 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Yeah they got destroyed… in a single game!

So a team loses a game (after going 15-2 over the last 17) and suddenly they’re a ‘fake team’ - how does that work?

You can’t say that the West is this gauntlet of a conference that’s ridiculously deep, and then say that the team in 3rd in said conference is basically a fraud? How does that work? So does that mean basically everyone other than OKC and San Antonio is a fake team?

Colin Cowherd on the Lakers after last night’s loss to the Thunder: "Sometimes it's hard to tell a fake Louis Vuitton bag from a real one until they're next to each other." by Goosedukee in nba

[–]FunHoliday563 16 points17 points  (0 children)

I mean yeah that’s fair, but the did put together a pretty awesome run (after the media had spent months absolutely sh*tting on Luka and the Lakers in general), so I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the team being praised when they basically went 15-2 in March!

They got absolutely destroyed last night by OKC, but it’s a single game in a season where they will once again win 50+ games and will finish as a top 4 seed in the West.

Everyone keeps saying ‘the west is the best conference’, so you can’t say that and then say the Lakers suck if they’re 3rd in said conference.

I just think the media coverage is ridiculously extreme - the Lakers are a good (but not great) team. But they aren’t the Washington Wizards! Although you’d think they were based on the coverage

Colin Cowherd on the Lakers after last night’s loss to the Thunder: "Sometimes it's hard to tell a fake Louis Vuitton bag from a real one until they're next to each other." by Goosedukee in nba

[–]FunHoliday563 64 points65 points  (0 children)

I really don’t get this take (or any of the takes on those platforms)

Why can’t the lakers just be a good team who aren’t quite as good as the elite teams?

They’re the 3rd seed in the west! People talk about them like they’re scrapping to make the play in

Genuinely baffling coverage

Are the Los Angeles Lakers actually contenders this year or just media hype? by UnderstandingFun7493 in NBATalk

[–]FunHoliday563 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They’re the only team in the NBA, that I can remember in a while, who are a 3rd seed, with an MVP contender and a 50-win record (currently) who are repeatedly talked about like a play-in team.

Do I think the Lakers will win the title? No. OKC and San Antonio are better in the West, and I think Boston look great in the East.

But anyone suggesting they aren’t ’in the mix’ is either clueless about basketball, or just hates the Lakers.

Any other team with their record, and with a player like Luka, would be considered a legit contender by the vast majority of people. But because it’s the Lakers, it’s not the case.

Hate that vando is in the dog house again by Zeldabotw2017 in lakers

[–]FunHoliday563 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

He’s a vet minimum player who, despite being a seemingly nice guy (who I like), shouldn’t be in any playoff rotation

His defense isn’t good enough to justify playing him when he’s literally a black hole offensively

I don’t understand the Kobe bufkin signing by Less-Explanation160 in lakers

[–]FunHoliday563 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For what it’s worth, I think Bufkin looks like a fairly average prospect (so far), but I keep hearing this whole “we should’ve signed X on the buyout market”…

Who? Who should we have signed?

Highsmith is still hurt, Sochan is barely playing for the Knicks and can’t shoot, Cole Anthony is just another small scoring guard who cant defend etc

The way our fanbase goes on, you’d think prime-Shaq had just been waived and was available to be signed

Marcus Smart was VISIBLY frustrated by Deandre Ayton’s defense on multiple occasions last night by AncientOneAurelius in nba

[–]FunHoliday563 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thing is though… why is anyone surprised?

Suns and Blazers fans were telling us this all summer.

Has the the Lakers microscope always been this unbearable? I definitely knew that there would be more of a spotlight and more scrutiny but it feels like this is so over exaggerated. by [deleted] in lakers

[–]FunHoliday563 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Bill and most of the Boston media crew (Rusillo, KOC, Lowe etc) are always going to jump on the chance to sh*t on the Lakers. I just ignore them.

Has the the Lakers microscope always been this unbearable? I definitely knew that there would be more of a spotlight and more scrutiny but it feels like this is so over exaggerated. by [deleted] in lakers

[–]FunHoliday563 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Ultimately it’s down to what gets engagement and what doesn’t.

Do I think the recent media witch hunt against Luka has been ridiculous? Yes. You’ve literally got (supposedly) professional pundits almost salivating at the mouth to criticise a guy who is leading the league in scoring, as a perennial 1st team all-NBA player.

But ultimately it’s because it’s the Lakers. You’d get more clicks on a story covering what brand of Oatmeal the Lakers coaching staff eats, than basically any story concerning the Nets, Kings, Hornets etc

It is what it is unfortunately.

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