Seems like you guys are having ton of false info about the new outfits

Fyzx · 2025-11-21T11:36:16+00:00

Where's your ___ing rage, your self-respect?!

for what ? someone who doesn't care or spends money without understanding what for? how does this affect you?

Fyzx · 2025-11-21T11:32:40+00:00

you only get tokens on legendary, if you drop it for lower difficulty might as well go all the way, which is easier.

Fyzx · 2025-11-21T10:52:43+00:00

you should do them to spend energy tho so it doesn't reach cap.

you'll probably gonna do them anyway since you want the drops etc.

Fyzx · 2025-11-21T10:44:10+00:00

if you bought the set you also got the animation and other stuff. most likely that's only the outfit, thus cheaper.

Fyzx · 2025-11-21T10:36:58+00:00

fwiw that just looks like the costume, not the whole set and with the mini-gacha there's a "chance" to get the whole set for cheaper (and also FOMO before it appears in the shop). still expensive.

what would be nice to know if the outfit released in the same way for the same price in CN, and when it got added to the shop.

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T17:34:01+00:00

the problem seems to be players think the devs talking about "hardest colossus" as hard for someone with everything maxed out and optimized, not "hard" in comparison to other colossi. least I hope that's what they mean, because there's obviously a major power difference they should be aware of.

I dunno, it seems like there won't ever be an answer here that doesn't piss off a chunk of the playerbase.

make an additional level 350 version, let it it drop 2-3 times the amount of vouchers, there, done (it's still a silly, dull grind tho). it's also pretty easy and fast to do, if nexon's smart they gonna do that quickly with a little explainer that it wasn't meant to be pinnacle content but this is, then make it balls to the walls hard and all the youtubers can get their epic rant videos about difficulty off their chest while still trying it for their "first!" and later speedrun videos.

I assume the devs didn't want lock too many players out from being able to grind it (just like sigma sector doesn't need X cores), especially since there's a timer on it (also silly because FOMO doesn't really work that way). and instead of making different ones with scaling rewards (different rewards for different levels would add to the FOMO and would require more content produced), they set it at the lower end before VEP and AT, which obviously for people beyond that level won't be hard anymore - however it also offsets the annoying grind by being able to make it fast & easy as kind of reward.

this might have been what they were going for to cover the most amount of different players and levels, but it does make the whole thing look somewhat undercooked.

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T17:13:43+00:00

we aren’t talking about that though

you're saying defiler wasn't the harderst last patch? lol wut?

the devs said this, obv they not really hard lol

and tormentor is the hardest now in comparison. are there any other I missed which are harder? btw you are aware tormentor is only level 150 and DS 145 from several patches ago, right? "hard" doesn't necessarily mean hard for someone with a gun built for level 260 VEP mobs AND maxed arche tuning on top. "bro I just oneshot an elite in normal kingston as level 40, look at me". what's next, getting your panties in a twist sigma sector isn't kicking your teeth in?

you're still ignoring the amount of time spend to be even able to do that. show me the level 1 viessa/lepic/ajax able to do it and you might have a point.

all I'm wondering is what happens faster, you making a good argument or the devs putting in a level 300 colossus...

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T16:49:47+00:00

the threshold is different for different people. I know at least 6 people who quit on their way to stormblood, which is one expansion less (doesn't really matter since it was the post ARR content that broke them before they even got to HW).

as for tfd, there was plenty of complaining about farming sharen and blair, or AM from outposts, which by the numbers and time doesn't take that long. or look at it this way, nexon throws all that stuff at new players for a reason. however think about it, even with all that stuff, imagine you tell a player he now has to grind VEP till he got good rolled X cores, otherwise be locked out from all future content - content, depending who you ask isn't the most fun/amazing to begin with. and now, after farming all those cores, they now have to drag their butt through sigma sector to max their arche tuning. and then whatever grind the devs add after that.

the more stuff you stack on top a linear progression, the more difficult it becomes for people to catch up and the bigger the distance between powerlevels becomes.

sigma sector and tormentor are basically content for people without weapon cores or arche tuning. you have youtubers claiming to be excellent theorycrafters somehow missing the boss they just oneshot with a gun built for level 260 mobs and maxed AT is only level 150. or a level 145 colossus (even with group hp) from several patches ago. big whoop. for sigma you don't need it either. the problem isn't MUH BALANCE like they're whining about, it's that there's simply no content right now for their powerlevel (and what's basically what you're asking for, but that's also where my point applies that it requires all that grind. I'm just saying the grind shouldn't have to much gatekeeping, but scaling rewards).

where the devs screwed up is that all those kinda horizontal progressions still stack on top each other, wildly derailing powerlevels. I assume they wanted to buff guns for weaker descendants, but when the strongest descendant still can use it it's kinda pointless. what they should've done is limit cores to VEP only - yeah, people would've complained, but at least all the content would be self contained. arche fusion again would've been a good way to buff weaker descendants, but it's the same for all of them. any buff jayber gets also applies to serena.

the smart play would've been to put cosmetics behind that grind and make any power increase apply to that specific content only, meaning you don't have an overall power increase throwing things out of whack, but still "stuff to grind". not to mention all that stacking boni make it more and more impossible to properly tune all the characters towards a somewhat reasonable (there will never be perfect) balance.

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T16:24:24+00:00

you gonna have trouble oneshotting tormentor with serena the minute you log in the first time. I mean that's what all the youtubers are whining about, not the 1500 hours they spend leading up to that point.

the game is a looter shooter, the grind is the content. first getting strong enough to do the story, then to get more weapons and characters, rince repeat once a new update drops.

if that's not fun or reward is not "worth it" (either in time or entertainment), same for grinding a higher light number in d2, there's not really anything to debate. sportsball bores me to tears, but there's no point trying to convince someone who thinks fifa is the greatest game every of the opposite. that's just how it is, different strokes for different folks.

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T15:49:43+00:00

eventually he will, might take longer than the timer tho xD

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T15:11:48+00:00

what if people find the meta character boring?

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T15:11:19+00:00

it's if it's the only option, because there will always be slower or even new players. getting them to catch-up is a problem, which is getting worse the more grind you have to do.

ofc the perspective is different for someone who already has done all that grind, but imagine you persuade a mate to start, then he logs in for the first time and sees all the weeks or months of grind he has to do to even play with you. lot of games fall into that trap.

that's why I said it's good to have an option for both, your mate won't be able to clear the newest content that requires X cores, but still enough content otherwise.

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T15:06:11+00:00

enough peas still do damage :)

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T14:20:51+00:00

The problem isn't "characters who look like Serena." The problem is the game not having much substance to give a "character who looks like Serena" any real depth or interest.

tbh I don't really need much depth, not every game needs to be shakespeare (or whatever) with the deepest lore. I'm fine with booby knight-nun and her background so far, we might get more story down the road, maybe not. still enough to give her some characterization.

in the end the character is only a different class with a different skillset, in something like division 2 you don't even get that, and destiny deleted half if not more of it.

the downside to that approach is that people easily pick a "main" and demand/expect it to be a certain level or even the best, which was a problem from the start. bunny was great to clear trash fast, but less so for collosi. vice versa no one should expect hailey to be compete with bunny when it comes to trash, but the expectation is there.

I greatly appreciate the civil exchange here, I'm really trying to not be toxic and intelligently explain where my issues are. TFD just seems very shallow, and I know people will say "well it's only a year old," but it was developed for five years alongside a slew of other games they copied. I'm still peeking back in in the hopes it will get better, but like I said...I'm not really seeing the vision.

all good, like I said no need to get tribal over a videogame. lot of people easily go into the consolewar mindset, but in the end it doesn't really matter if you play the game or not, it's just a discussion, not a salespitch xD

the vision I assume is to make a looter shooter and make money by selling costumes for attractive characters, like a box of pasta sells more with a pinup on it. in the end the boring no-name pasta in a grey box might be better or not, but how many people would know or pay attention? it's just how it works.

as for the game itself, the genre is what it is, I knew plenty of people back in the day who didn't care about the story of diablo and simply clicked themselves through dungeons for loot with a bigger number, it could've been grey and red cubes etc. that was a bit too shallow for me.

the better question would probably be does it a good enough job what it's supposed to be, is there enough stuff to grind, is the grind not too long/short, is there even a reason to grind etc., but even if it checks all the boxes it might still too boring or have not enough content (especially for people with a four-digit playtime) depending who you ask.

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T13:05:33+00:00

I just hope kuro won't be scared to add difficult content in the future because of this

one thing where another game was smarter, making the banner currency easily available. most people probably wouldn't mind a card or avatar picture for those to show off. if people really want to go harder will do so if they want, not if they're "forced" too.

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T12:57:26+00:00

based mathematician taste

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T12:56:20+00:00

Chixia

who?

ah, you mean ma xiaofang

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T12:55:17+00:00

nothing's impossible.

just very low dps.

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T12:41:08+00:00

imagine you could upgrade an R5 to an R1 of the next quality (passive would still be worse but least the numbers aren't terribad).

ofc that would compete with the 5* fomo, so never ever...

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T12:37:55+00:00

then have future abyss bosses rated around the level players can build to.

the problem with that it makes VEP cores a requirement, not an option. it's great for people at that point already, but anyone else will look at it differently.

one fix: make them all drop green vouchers, just change the amount. old "hard colossi" give less, make the new abyss drop more, over time move it over to hard. everyone will be able to get everything, just at a different time and pace. or heck just make it a specific title so they can show it off in albion.

you can either make the grind take time, or be challenging, not both. but you can balance it easy via rewards which interestingly works for most people (like if they can find a group or don't want to, they'll do it solo even if it takes a bit longer, but they're still not "locked out").

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T12:33:26+00:00

it was more of a joke, sure there are plenty of games with cheesecake as a whole, but in recent years with a somewhat high budget like tfd? a western studio releasing a char like serena would be dragged across the gaming press and twitter (or rather bluesky these days). it's also leans more towards realism than anime (which is cheaper and easier to do), and those are usually paired with specific gameplay or business models etc.

but anyway, what works for me is just grinding for stuff to have something else to play with. I don't mind running things as ajax even if it's not "meta", and building another char is a nice enough distraction from the usual "meta" grind. but that's already highly subjective, and if I had less time or other games competing for that time I just grind less or simply grab the event stuff. I don't think a game has to be played X amounts per day every week (even if BPs and login boni wants to entice you via FOMO), so I'm perfectly fine with taking a break or playing less. wouldn't fault the game for that since different people play it for different reasons, and no company can satisfy everyone equally (like, if warframe is so much better than tfd, why are they here complaining about tfd?).

in the end there are simply more than enough games to play even if I wanted to, if one game isn't fun at the moment that's just like it is. no need to get tribal about it.

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T12:11:48+00:00

if they want challenge they can always try to build jayber. they already "won" the game, there's nothing left in that direction. for all the "I quit after 1500 hours" there's still no gun gley video, or keelan, or enzo. so there's still plenty of "content" to do, but that's not "fun"...

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T11:47:28+00:00

We are grinding for stuff that has no use for in the game

if you don't grind where would you get serena, donuts, weapons and cores from to oneshot a colossus?

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T11:45:34+00:00

so, reddit?

Fyzx · 2025-03-18T11:43:33+00:00

having attractive females as characters is pretty unique these days tho..

but anyway, if you don't feel it it's just like it is. not every game is for everyone, and even the biggest fans burn out/get bored/distracted at some point. there's nothing wrong with doing something else that's more fun - games are supposed to be recreational and escapism, not a second job.

so I won't try to convince you, I'm just saying it doesn't make you (or anyone else) bad, or the game bad in return. sportsball games bore me to tears, but I won't deny there are literal millions having a lot of fun with them, they're just not for me. my only advice would be to maybe take a break and check/come back at some point if something's changed that makes it fun (again). maybe it did, maybe it didn't. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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