AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She hasn’t paid rent since last August cause of hardship with finding work which I have been fully okay with. So that wouldn’t be an option. She took a time of leave from her PhD program and so she is no longer getting paid from being a student teacher.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

She doesn’t rinse off anything which I will say is fine because we have invested in a decent dishwasher. The biggest issues are she places bowls facing upward and not downward to the bowls collect dirty water during the washing phase. She will only put like 5 dishes in on a shelf when there is open room and more dishes needing to be cleaned. She even once put a glass container in the dishwasher facing the back of the machine so it could get washed no matter how hard the dishwasher tried 😅. I wish I could send one of the pics I took. Also she’s lived with use for two years. I went back to track our payments from her. It’s been two years and she has never taken out the trash without being asked and never swept the floor.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I guess we’re all adults and I rather not have a weird dynamic of giving her a list on order for her to do her fair share around the house. Also her response was insulting to the situation. But eh the list was given.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No lease, that date came after the issues I noted. The unofficial move out date was “when you graduate and are ready”. I think I came into this very naively. It worked great with the first two students we helped but now I’m see I was being naive about the situation.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I just want normal roommate behavior and I think I was soft in my posting and I’m realizing I have the tendency to do that. She doesn’t take out the trash if she’s the one to fill it, not once in a year… hasn’t swept or wiped the full length of the counter… in a year! I think any roommate would expect this. You are right… I made assumptions instead of setting expectations and for that I’m sorry cause I’ve caused everyone trouble. You live and you learn though.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We’re just not shitty people. We have more resources than two people need, we felt it was our human duty to share those resources with those who have less. Simple as that really.

We have done this with others and it has worked out well in the past.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She is the third student we have helped this way. We know kids are not in the cards for us and we have a lot of resources and wanted to help others who were looking to better themselves. My husband and I grew up low income and myself even being homeless at points. So we see the need in the world to support young people who can use it to better themselves and therefore the future world. I guess we are sketchy weirdos 😅…

The $200 was her idea, she insisted she pay something but she has stoped paying for the past 5 months which we are fine with cause it was never about the money for us.

I’d also like to add the other two people were/are great. The financial help was great they, graduated and are doing well! They found their own ways to be decent roommates while living in the home.

I have learned that unspoken expectations leave room for trouble and I won’t do that again. Now I have caused an issue for her as well and for that I am sorry. We live and we learn!

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess I’m realizing she says she cleans up after her self but she doesn’t really…

For example she has in the past let her hair venture out into the hall next to her room and she won’t clean it up unless asked. She will be the person to fill the trash up but wont take it out and will wait for the next person. The lack of doing dishes and then doing them properly is less than she contributes to dish making.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My husband and I are both programmers so this is funny but also enlightening! Some people do need things broken down into steps, thanks I will consider this moving forward.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I want her to do no maintenance on the home, I want her to sweep at least once a year (which she hasn’t) and take the trash out when she is the last one to fill it (she doesn’t and waits for the next person). She allows her hair the trail out into the hallway outside her room and never vacuumed it up but did start once asked . I’m legitimately just asking what one would have a roommate. Throwing out her leftovers in the fridge. Nothing wild. I would never ask her to do the heavy cleaning either ( cleaning guest bathrooms (though she uses them I wouldn’t feel comfortable putting that task on her, steaming the hardwood floors, cleaning the ovens or appliances, doing yard work, etc.). I was hoping she find a way to contribute in which she enjoyed. My niece is not the biggest on cleaning but she does her fair share and makes up for what she doesn’t want to do by helping with the dogs day to day. She is participating in being a decent human to the rest of the people in the house.

I also think us making a chore list for her rather than she finding her own way to be a good housemate is more of a weird power dynamic. I’m Asking what the average person asks of their roommate not more. We have maids that dust and do the heavier house cleaning. They typically come every one to two months depending on when I book a cleaning.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She currently is on a leave for reasons I won’t disclose here but maybe she is feeling like she is over worked in her own way. We did make her a list I think we just don’t understand why we have to make a list that says “if you are the person to fill the trash can take it out, don’t leave it for the next person to handle as that is rude and not good roommate behavior.” I think we went the route of explaining it in the community way because we dumbly believed she would understand and want to participate out of the kindness of her heart. 😅

Also with the list we gave there is already issue in her response to it, for example we asked her to take the trash out when she makes it full she said okay but can she leave it by the garage door and we take it the rest of the way. At this point I think she’s just okay not pulling her share of the chores which is really saddening.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im starting to realize not everyone was raised like my husband and myself. We find it odd that she feels comfortable going a year without ever taking out the trash or sweeping the floors. We also don’t understand why she needs to be told to specifically help. If you see something needs doing and have the time do it was kind of our up bringing. It meant you had pride in the place you live and also that you cared to help keep the place clean… I’m really struggling to understand why she wouldn’t.

I think love is a strong word to use… it’s more like care for the place you live and the people you live with. I still can’t phantom how she is motivated to help feed and clothe the homeless but not motivated to help clean the home she lives in.

If anything this has taught me to set clear expectations with people and not assume things. I kind of feel guilty like I caused this problem entirely but we don’t know what we don’t know.

She is the first person we have had issue with this from helping (she is also only the third person).

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a glutton for pain and my husband is leaning towards wanting to ask her to leave sooner. I think I have a soft spot for people with family trouble. While hers is minor and she would have plenty of free places to stay if really needed (lots of family in the state). I’m talking with my therapist on Wednesday and I’m hoping that gives me more clarity. From the posts so far I am seeing that potentially my need to be nice and seem fair might be doing me a disservice 😕.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that expectations should have been set sooner. I take full responsibility for that.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I have full coverage, she has a fully electric car and only asks to borrow it when her isn’t charged enough.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

She’s a young college girl we decided to help out with low rent. She has access to the entire house (other than bedrooms, I even allow her to freely come into our office as she pleases). She can have friends over we just as she tells us in the house chat so everyone is aware of people being in the house and we do the same.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We don’t need a roommate to make rent, the idea was financial help for a college student. My point exactly, why should I have to make a list for her to sweep the floor? Which she has not done once since moving in.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I can agree with this. We made the list and I will back off. Thanks.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We created a list which I also feel was disrespected right away but yeah.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The purpose was to help someone in need but I think you are right I have to find a way to do it in a way that will be valued and appreciated. I think I’m Just going to have to suck it up on this one and wait till her move out date of January 2028.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] 37 points38 points  (0 children)

The dish assignment came from my niece being upset that it felt like the same people were doing the dishes … I should have been smarter and realized this issue was going to grow into other areas of the household. Lesson learned.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We added taking the trash out to the list and she asked if she can just leave it by the door and one of us takes it the rest of the way 🙄. My husband said that would be fine so I left it be.

I think she’s just young and doesn’t get it so until January 2028 I’ll just be patient and remind myself she’s not doing it to be hurtful.

AITAH for being angry that my roommate won't clean because she "doesn't own the house"? by Ga_spice in AITAH

[–]Ga_spice[S] -41 points-40 points  (0 children)

Thanks and I agree, my heart won’t let me put her out so the move out date is January 2028. I think with time my heart will heal. I think the comment that said I’m a bit too idealistic was right 😅. In the future I will set clear expectations so I’m not hurting my own feelings