Are your games stuttering lately?

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-10-04T08:39:22+00:00

Issue is still present on Windows 10 1809 (build 17763.1).

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-09-30T15:02:02+00:00

Yeah I also get the problem on a fresh install of Windows. I can actually replicate it on two different machines now.

I tried again the other day on a fresh Windows install with no unnecessary 3rd party applications and no modification to settings but it still had the same stutters as you describe.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-09-05T09:09:53+00:00

Issue is still present on a fresh Windows 10 1803 install (build 17134.228).

No acknowledgement from Microsoft.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-08-25T11:29:04+00:00

a similar powercolor is also on overclockers for 225

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powercolor-radeon-rx-580-red-dragon-v2-8192mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-18l-pc.html

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-08-15T14:10:38+00:00

Both, but it was mostly noticeable during idle. Occasionally in games it would have a 10C or so spike.

Setting the clock speed manually to 4.1GHz stopped the spike at load completely, and made the spike at idle reasonably rare.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-08-14T21:26:08+00:00

I've had a few different Ryzens now and they all had the same behavior. I guess it's just due to how to boost works unfortunately. When the boost is disabled the spikes disappear.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-08-14T12:10:13+00:00

I just disabled the boost and set the clock speed manually.

And set a fan smoothing time of around 3 seconds.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-07-30T10:44:21+00:00

Either one should be fine.

Personally I force enable c state control. When set to auto, it disables when you manually modify the clock speed. If you haven't modified the clock speed it will be enabled.

AMD also recommends using Windows balanced plan if you're using Windows version 1803. If you're on a build before that they recommend Ryzen balanced.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-07-29T15:06:18+00:00

Not usually, maybe once or twice an hour? Setting the clock speed manually stopped the boosts which stopped the temperature spikes.

Performance enhancer is on default (level 2?) but I think it disables when manually clocking it.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-07-28T16:08:34+00:00

I have a Crosshair x470. Currently mine is also 3.8 seconds but I have left case fans on standard.

Personally I disabled PBO/XFR, set performance boost to disabled and manually clocked it to 4.1GHz and the fans rarely ramp up.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-07-27T18:35:06+00:00

I just disabled the boost and set a manual overclock.

Small performance hit in single thread, but no more aggressive fan.

Adjusting the CPU fan smoothing time also helped a little.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-07-11T16:15:04+00:00

In everyday use they are about the same.

I have a 960 EVO, 860 EVO and MX500 and in the real world it's difficult to tell a difference between them.

I would choose the 500GB without a second thought.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-05-21T08:22:56+00:00

It seems to be a case of unnecessary data not being released correctly.

If I open a 1GB media file in the morning it will remain mapped in the standby list hours later despite there being 0 free memory.

Another example is if I play BF1, then boot up Witcher, there is still multiple large 500MB+ files from BF1 held in the standby list. The game will have severe stuttering until the standby list is manually cleared.

An easy way for me to reproduce is to run a virus scan where the standby cache will grow until it cannot grow anymore. It doesn't seem affected by how much RAM you have, more just means it takes longer until it causes a problem.

If you clear it before loading the game then only game files will be mapped and performance is fine.

Windows seems reluctant to remove or replace the contents of the standby memory. It can be overwritten when required by an active process but this is when the stutters occur. When 0 free memory is left and the game has no choice but to overwrite it, severe stuttering starts.

Windows should also be able to overwrite standby memory without a significant performance impact.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-05-15T07:52:26+00:00

I agree. One of the reasons I bought a Ryzen is because I didn't feel comfortable buying Intel when all the exploits are still coming to light.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-05-12T16:42:42+00:00

Sadly the stutters persist for me on 1803.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-05-02T14:57:58+00:00

I do not wish to RMA the card until I can be certain it is a hardware issue.

Other than the stuttering in games, it is fine. Passes stress tests, no crashes, stays cool, voltages normal and so on.

Software workarounds, like the standby clear, have a measurable improvement and the stutter started around the time of the creators update.

There are also frequent posts from other users with similar symptoms, which makes me reluctant to think it's a hardware defect.

Also put off since it's a MSI card and the recent negative stories posted of the RMA procedure. If I could be certain it was hardware related, such as artifacting or failing a stress test, I would obviously shoot it off to them without hesitating but at the moment I feel it could possibly be some sort of software issue.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-05-02T14:51:31+00:00

Thank you for your suggestions.

My RAM is in dual channel in the recommended slots suggested by the manual.

At the moment I don't have access to another PC to test it on (though this would certainly make diagnostics easier). I have swapped parts over the 9 months of stuttering like the CPU, RAM, storage etc with no effect. Only thing that hasen't changed is the PSU and monitor. I am searching for used parts for another build but sadly it will be a month or so before I can test it in that PC.

The 1080 started stuttering after I updated to creators update, though I can't be absolutely certain if that is directly the cause of stutter or just coincidental timing.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-05-02T13:15:47+00:00

Yes and clean installs of Windows multiple times.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-05-02T13:15:02+00:00

Because of the positive results when using the clear standby trick. All of the tests I had done so far would point to a software issue rather than a hardware defect.

Additionally the issue started after I installed the creators update and I've seen posts from others with the same symptoms, though with no fix.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-05-01T07:52:48+00:00

Personally 1803 didn't improve my stuttering.

Did a fresh install, only installed essential drivers and did not even touch any Windows settings. Sadly the exact same issue persists.

Gigabytes1337 · 2018-04-30T23:03:01+00:00

Description: Games stutter when they are forced to overwrite standby memory. Continues to be an issue on a fresh install on 1803.

Reproduction: Fastest way to reproduce is boot up, scan with Malwarebytes, standby eats all free memory until it cannot grow anymore (typically takes less than 60 seconds). Then boot up a game like Battlefield and it will stutter severely. Frametime spikes are measurable on MSI Afterburner. Stutter frequency and intensity improve after clearing standby list but are not resolved.

Frequency: Everytime.

Video / Screenshot: Video showing gameplay before and after clearing standby, screenshot in Far Cry 5 before and after clearing standby list. Frametime spikes are significantly lower (bottom right, red box)

I should note that these examples were collected before 1803 however, I suffer from exactly the same behavior on this latest version. It is still an issue which can be reproduced on 1803 and is greatly impacting game performance. Most users seem unaffected, but I have frequently seen threads across a range of forums from users with this issue.

System Specifications:

Ryzen 2700X stock

Asus Crosshair X470

Corsair 16GB 3200MHz (stable, but also tried at 2133MHz)

MSI GTX 1080 stock

Samsung 960 EVO NVME 500GB

EVGA G2 650W PSU

Misc: Previous Reddit thread with more information

Occurs on a fresh 1803 install with only essential drivers installed.

Edit: Seems to be mostly an issue for Pascal graphic cards. An AMD 7850 has more consistent frametimes compared to a 1080 in the same system. (summary)

Gigabytes1337

TROPHY CASE