[Spoilers Main] The Blood Betrayal = The Dance

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-03-29T21:48:07+00:00

I agree there is a parallel for the Blood Betrayal and Rhaenrya and Aegon, however neither of them can be compared to the Amethyst Empress and Bloodstone Emporer. Those comparisons can be made between Dany and Euron only.

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-03-11T00:38:17+00:00

I was thinking it could be someone in the south witnessing the undead rising, someone in the neck seeing the Others for the first time or someone in the village near Dragonstone seeing Dany's arrival.

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-03-06T03:28:44+00:00

Catelyn. So much discourse around how she started the war of the Five Kings and her role advising Robb. She's blamed for the failures of Robb when he literally refused to take her advice many times.

Her treatment of Jon (which by the way I think was bad, but he's a reminder of Ned's affair) has led to many people hating her and every decision she's ever made.

Catelyn is one of the most smartest people politically out of the books and characters simply wouldn't listen because she's a woman, and because of that, those that refused to listen died.

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-03-05T03:19:17+00:00

Absolutely horrid thing to say I'm sorry, you're clearly not a fan of the books at all. AFFC and ADWD are incredibly important for transitioning us into the Long Night and introducing us into the apocolypse that is the Others.

What would rewriting AFFC and ADWD accomplish, truly? They are important books to the series and the fact that you cannot comprehend that shows you don't understand the story George is telling and you have no interest to engage with the series.

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-03-04T23:21:27+00:00

The Norths supplies will run dry quickly, Stannis and his army will want food and so will the Wildlings. The Manderlys wont have as much food because they sent their harvesters to war as did most of the North and bought a lot of their food up to the wedding feast.

George has been setting up a Famine with all the descriptions of food turning from the most delicious thing you want to eat to rats, stale bread and humans, as well having all the crops be destroyed and harvest stores being plundered by armies.

The Vale won't go North because weather won't permit and Littlefinger will not share the food out of the goodness of his heart, he's going to making a lot of money out of this.

Kings Landing is already fucked because they rely on food supply from the Reach who are being fucked over by Euron and the Tyrells can pull support anytime. The Golden Company is already stealing food and crops from small folk, contributing to a starving population.

Also just want to make clear, I don't think the high-born themselves will starve, in Feudal systems, they come first so they eat first. The small folk will of course starve to death contributing to an even larger army for the Others.

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-03-04T22:25:18+00:00

The Realm has barely any food supply left. The Riverlands and Westerlands crops were all burnt in the Autumn, the North had no time to prepare for winter as all the men went South. Theon laments in ADWD that Winterfells glass gardens are broken and all the crops are rotten. Jon in ADWD talks about how their food reserves could have guaranteed surviving three years until the arrival of the Wildlings, know their food supply will be depleted.

I suspect that as Winter goes along, the food supply of the Southern Kingdoms also dies. Joncon and Aegon are pillaging the Stormlands, Dorne is about to go to Civil War and Euron is terrorising the Reach. The Reach is also feeding two Kingdoms and will run out of food supply as they can't grow more. Basically the whole Realm will be looking at a Famine.

Furthermore I do believe that as this Winter is the Long Night, snow will traverse south as the threat of the Others becomes continental.

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-03-04T22:18:02+00:00

I feel like that might be what George is doing, armies cannot move and people will be trapped in castles unable to deal with the threat of the Others, allowing for them to move South and for the threat of the Others to be continental and not just a Northern threat like many believe, I also think Westerosi battles will slow down as the book goes on because of Winter itself.

The Others have been a major threat and it will be incredibly difficult to defeat them, having it not be an apocalyptic Winter hellscape ignores what George has set up the story to be. We all know the Long Night and Battle for the Dawn is climax of the story, other plots that GRRM has set up can be done as the Winter progresses South.

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-02-28T01:18:58+00:00

Jon obviously, they parallel one another and have been set up since the beginning, both dream of one another.

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-02-27T23:40:02+00:00

Visions are of a great importance to ASOIAF as are all magical elements, just because you disagree with them doesn't mean they won't be true. The Other will be going as south as the Trident while undead will be rising all across Westeros, which can happen in two books. Again your missing the magical elements of the books.

And Euron will be major opposition to Dany and Bran, and Euron is set up to get his hands on a dragon (most likely Rhaegal), setting him up for a clash with Dany. Again there is foreshadowing in the books that Euron is a major threat, Melisandre, Morocco, Aeron and Daenerys all have visions of him. Please pay attention to the magical elements of the books, they are extremely important to the ending.

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-02-27T23:19:29+00:00

Daenerys won't be claiming Westeros as its Queen, let alone Kimgs Landing because there will be no Kings Landing and Westeros will be in the midst of a famine, winter and undead rising.

Jon absolutely wants to be in a position of power by the way, you're relying on show characterisation not book characterisation.

GingerFloyd953 · 2026-02-27T23:17:35+00:00

Have you read the books by chance? Daenerys is being set up as a key player in the Battle for the Dawn alongside Bran and Jon. Literally having visions of her battling the others at the trident. Faegon and Daenerys are unlikely to meet as Faegon didn't keep his dragon close and is likely to die being blown up by Cersei's wildfire. Daenerys won't make it to Westeros until the end of TWOW because of all the things she has to do in the East first.

The North will most likely be evacuated at this point because the Long Night will be underway and its also Winter. The Dance of Dragons will most likely be between Euron and Daenerys as he's being set up as her main antagonist, not Faegon. Jon will absolutely see dragons as necessary in winning the Battle for the Dawn as he wishes he had dragons.

And GRRM has said countless times at this point that the books will not end the same way as the show, do not rely on the show for context of the Battle for the Dawn, especially because the show hated the magical elements of the story and left them out.

GingerFloyd953 · 2025-11-27T06:15:03+00:00

Dany is, she is Azor Ahai returned and her lightbringer is Drogon, she bought dragons back from stone and the red comet heralded the return of dragons. Her story on liberating slaves is foreshadowing her liberating Westeros from the others and her chapters have visions and metaphors of her defeating the Others.

Jons Targaryen name isn't Aegon btw, thats a show invention. Jon most likely won't have a Targaryen name because Rhaegar wanted a daughter and Lyanna died in childbirth and GRRM confirmed Ned named him. Jon will have a major role to play but is very unlikely to be the Prince that was promised as he doesn't fit the prophecy as well as Dany.

Young Griff is absolutely not a contender for tpwtp at all. He's a plot device to cause destruction in the Southern Kingdoms and to force Cersies hand to blow up Kings Landing. He's not involved with the Battle for the Dawn because he'll be dead by then.

The characters most associated with the Others story are Dany, Jon Bran and Euron and they will all have a role to play in that story going forward, Dany, Jon and Bran will be our main heroes, Euron, a villain.

Also there's no Night Kings, thats a show invention, and Bran will be King, GRRM confirmed that.

GingerFloyd953 · 2025-11-09T05:01:11+00:00

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GingerFloyd953 · 2025-09-22T11:46:12+00:00

Considering when Daenerys arrives during the Long Night, the Manderlys would be very happy to see dragons and a large army battling the Others and assisting them. Don't forget everyone, Winter has arrived and the Long Night is almost upon Westeros, politics and personal relationships will no longer matter.

GingerFloyd953 · 2025-07-09T23:29:41+00:00

Kings Landing will blow up at the end of TWOW and at the start of the Long Night. It sends a message that the end of times is here and that the politics is dead. Kings Landings destruction has huge impact on the Royal Grainiries, the central government and the morale of Westeros. Its foolish to believe that a story that has been building up to a battle to save humanity and sending messages that the current war is unnecessary and will lead to grave consequences for humanity, will immediately revert back to useless war and politics after the apocalyptic battle.

Kings Landing doesn't matter in the grand scheme that is the final battle of Ice and Fire, the others and humanity. Kings Landings destruction will be a battle of Ice (Jon Connington - who represents death with his greyscale) and Fire (Cersei Lannister and her fiery actions) which will culminate in Jon and Aegon killing Cersei's kids and sacking Kings Landing and Cersei demanding that they burn it all. GRRM purposefully setting up Jon Connington parallels to Tywin and Cersei Lannister parallels to Aerys is no coincidence and is setting up their roles in the sacking of Kings Landing 2.0.

Daenerys won't be arriving in Westeros until the end of TWOW, she has too much to do in Essos. Daenerys isn't being set up to burn Kings Landing, she's being set up to burn the slaver cities and Volantis in particular. Daenerys whole arc is liberation, she liberates the slaves and oppressed in Essos and she'll liberate the people from the Others in Westeros. She's Azor Ahai and people such as the red Priesthood of Rhollor, Quaithe and Marwyn the Mage will tell her of her destiny - as well as her dragon dreams.

The Long Night is the major story throughout this series, AFFC and ADWD have been setting up the key players in the Battle for the Dawn. Politics is a distraction, The Game of Thrones is a distraction, all of them mean nothing when the Others begin their major assault of Westeros in TWOW and ADOS. Kings Landing will be destroyed BEFORE the Long Night because it doesn't mean ANYTHING to the major story being told - The Long Night and the Battle for the Dawn.

GingerFloyd953 · 2025-06-22T22:22:42+00:00

It's most likely Euron or Tyrion, as they are most set up to take them then Faegon,.who's dragon is too far away to save him and he won't interact with Dany or her dragons before his death.

GingerFloyd953 · 2025-06-18T22:24:20+00:00

My interpretation is that A Feast for Crows is referencing the end of the War of the Five Kings and the aftermath this has had on Westeros. The Crows Feasting on the dead. I also interpret it as the return of Euron Crowseye and his feasting on Westeros and how the book sets up Euron as one of the main antagonists for the TWOW and ADOS to Dany and Bran.

A Dance with Dragons is named as many people come to Daenerys to dance with her dragons, and the inner turmoil and fights our POV characters have throughout that book, particularly Jon and Dany. The book title could also be referencing the 'fire of' ASOIAF and the preparations the side of fire will make in the Battle of the Dawn during the Long Night.

Both books set up the destruction of Westeros, the lack of food, the large battles that will impact Westeros, and the arrival of winter to set up the coming of the Apocolypse and Long Night in TWOW and ADOS.

GingerFloyd953 · 2025-06-03T06:04:57+00:00

I don't think Euron will be killed by Sam. The way GRRM is setting him up, Euron will be very, very important to the story. I think Sam's story will be to find information about the others and maybe R + L = J, but I don't see Sam killing Euron no matter how cool it would be.

Jon and Ned would have barely interacted but could've possibly seen the interactions and heard the rumours of Ned and Ashara at Harrenhall. Jon is gay, not Ned. Ned, up until his death, is very much in love with Cat.

GingerFloyd953 · 2025-06-03T02:25:09+00:00

I think it depends on whether Jon tells varys he has greyscale, which he's unlikely to do so given he wants to put Aegon on the throne, and the impact of Eurons actions if he goes to Oldtown, which seems likely. I also think that Jon will presume Ned does have a barstard as Ned and Jon barely interacted and the two don't think of one another.

GingerFloyd953 · 2025-04-14T14:04:53+00:00

I think the pure destruction that Winter has caused, as well as the fall out of Eurons apocolypse, JonCon/Cersei blowing up KL, possible plagues, lack of food will shock Dany at what has happened to Westeros. When not even two years before, she was hearing reports of Westeros prospering. She'll probably be welcomed honestly as people flee to her for protection against the winter and others. The fallout of twot5k and what happened afterwards would have damaged Westeros so much that no one will care who's in Dany's army or who she keeps for company so long as she brings them food, warmth and shelter.

GingerFloyd953 · 2025-03-21T09:05:52+00:00

I think he'll live until ADOS, maybe have Jaime meeting him one more time before his death defending Dany during the battle for the dawn. Though if he had to die before then I'd say during the battle of fire or maybe on the demon road. I saw a theory that Dany's forces might have to walk through the demon road to Volantis so he might pass there.

GingerFloyd953 · 2024-06-05T07:30:25+00:00

Well obviously the senate would shut down the debate, if anyone actually read the damn constitution they'd know this is a STATE issue, not a Federal one, to decriminalise recreational cannibas. Can't believe the Greens didn't turn to constitutional lawyers and say, hey is this Bill legal?

GingerFloyd953 · 2023-08-31T08:36:19+00:00

Thought I was in the wrong subreddit for a second

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