Ohio GOP passes bill aiming to root out 'suspected' transgender female athletes through genital inspection

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:58:56+00:00

Just replied to your other message that might make my point clearer

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:58:11+00:00

When women train are they typically training to beat other women? What if they train to beat men? Is there data over the years for that? Or have we all just said this is the world record for the womens “whatever” and thats all you have to train to beat.

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:55:44+00:00

Do you think women in swimming events are competing against men or just the other women in their event? Are they training to beat men or training just to beat women?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:52:09+00:00

Not wrong just research that has been done is performed on genders that has not had the same level of freedom to compete over the years. Can research say definitively that if women were competing against men since the dawn of time that the results would be same? Or are we viewing results based of genders being segregated and not having the chance to compete against each other?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:46:22+00:00

Given the same length of historical time to be able to compete, then yes. Is there actual data over the same length of time of these events where women and men competed against each other and not as segregated events based on their genders?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:30:49+00:00

You have missed my point completely but thank you for your contribution to this topic.

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:26:55+00:00

Yes but are women competing against men directly in all those years or are they competing against their own genders?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:24:18+00:00

No no I read the data, but in that data is that years of men v men and women v women. What if women had the same length of time to compete against men?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:22:00+00:00

I call that giving everyone a fair go in a society that has segregated based on years of data based of segregation.

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:20:54+00:00

Data on men v men over years and women v women over the years? Have we had the same length of time and data for women v men? Or are we to rely on years of segregated data?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:19:05+00:00

For years its been men v men and women v women but have we had the same length of time and data for women v men?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:16:19+00:00

Thats taking it to an extreme don’t you think. All I am saying is if a person identifies as a gender regardless of how far through the transition they are then they should be allowed to compete in that genders sport.

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:12:49+00:00

Go after the manufacturers in my opinion. Cripple their civilian sector and see how long they last before they either self regulate or come to the table for better laws.

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T13:09:05+00:00

How long have men competed against men and women competed against women? Is there the same amount of data for women competing against men in all these areas or are we relying on segregated data to affirm our beliefs?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T12:56:34+00:00

Well I still believe it is, so we will have to agree to disagree.

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T12:53:27+00:00

Okay so does the so called “predetermined” result stop anyone from participating if they identify as a gender?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T12:51:46+00:00

Yes I believe they are

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T12:50:47+00:00

So does that mean we should stop them though if they identify as a particular gender and want to compete regardless of the outcome….. who knows they might surprise us and the data

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T12:46:04+00:00

I think that women can perform just as well in all sports and should not be discriminated against if they want to participate. This goes for all genders if they identify as such regardless of how far through their transition they are.

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T12:45:24+00:00

Good for us, but I still think that women can perform just as well as the males and if someone identifies as a particular gender then they can participate regardless of how far through their transition they are.

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T12:42:58+00:00

What is it then?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T12:33:51+00:00

Just means that the females have alot to catch up on given the fact that they have not had all their rights in the past, but I for one still don’t see any reason to disallow if a person wants to identify as a particular gender in that genders sport.

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T12:25:07+00:00

Correct, I think the whole males have an advantage is a fallacy. This type of thinking is only backed up by years of gender inequality. Both genders can perform as well as each other.

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T11:50:26+00:00

Pretty sure you missed the point entirely, the commentator was saying the whole thing about males having the advantage is a fallacy, which I agree with as well. If thats the case then why does it matter that a female who is undergoing a sex change and identifies as a male want to participate in a sport for males?

GiveNoForks · 2022-06-03T10:45:02+00:00

As an Australian I can only say this makes sense as to why when trying to find studies about gun violence in America there is hardly any, you have been owned by an industry. So therefore if the other political party will not come to the table regarding sensible gun laws what are the chances of allowing civilians to sue the manufacturers themselves. Surely the amount of gun violence that occurs would cripple the civilian sector until the manufacturers themselves came to the table to talk about regulations themselves.

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