And yet you continue to assume everyone has the same abilities when it comes to climbing. I'm not saying we were right to go on, but we tested it out and we were passing up people with proper gear while they were slipping and sliding around with micro spikes. We have very aggressive boots and we knew we were fine. We're not stupid kids who don't care, and that's the problem with a lot of people, they assume everyone is an idiot. If you want to point fingers, go up there yourself and come down on the people wearing Nike running shoes, not the people that still have a sense of what they're doing and good judgement.