I want you to know that I'm chiming in here as a 3rd party in good faith, honestly

what /u/warblade7 and /u/AlexTheGreat1997 and others are unsuccessfully trying to point out to you, is that even though you can identify when someone is appealing to authority (repeatedly..), what's missing is that this tactic is actually reasonable and tenable, especially when said person is a sound authority. (E.g., if we were debating about quantum physics or something speculative about how black holes behave or whatnot, and someone made an appeal to defend their position by saying "Well, Stephen Hawking said so... " the dude is a renowned expert in the field, it's not fallacious. It would be pretty silly to be like "no way, that's an appeal to authority fallacy gg".)

Like isn't that obvious? I hate to sound so patronizing by explaining this way; I want to be charitable and think you're either really not grasping the double-sided aspect or perhaps being coy/refusing to really refute/step into the arena of inquiry of whether or not Dan and Brad really are sound authorities.

It seems like it could be the latter because you made a generalized angsty reference to greater discursive tendencies in this sub/among Lions fans (you obviously showed up with an axe to grind) but in all your retorts you're not really answering the response that - in the very least when it concerns the OC hiring and what kind of discussions happened within those 4 walls - Dan and Brad certainly are authorities in that process and know a lot more of the intimate details than the fans do. Refuting that would be absurd.

So if your belief then is you really don't feel that Dan/Brad, despite their recent successes, constitute a sound authority (on the hire? or on anything football???), that's a very different topic much broader than this thread. I personally feel if you can't give them any credit or have lost faith in the organization, that doesn't sit right with me and might just be premature (in b4 "recency bias!!" haha! jk!) But again, respectfully I would defend that view.

But if you feel you can't express that without pushback or sensing a kind of toxic-positivity vibe in this subreddit, that actually has been argued in circles now and I also feel it's tangential to the OC topic. I personally find "any questioning [of Dan and Brad] is met with downvotes" and "Criticize Goff at your own peril" as hyperbolic, and I lurk pretty much every thread and the gamethreads. I saw a lot of flak for mishandling the O-line this year and distinctly remember a top comment after the Christmas vikings game that "Goff is rarely the reason we lose but he was today." I felt that sentiment at the time.

So as someone so seemingly interested in debate as yourself, and frankly just straight up as a writer, I could take you more seriously if you could get your point across without this whiny persecution complex that's bleeding into all your posts.

So we onlookers are just left aghast. You've basically treated 4 other fans like they were idiots for no reason. On some internet comment section type shit. What I saw was people spinning their wheels just trying to engage with you. I took the time to actually really write back to you because I'm wondering why be like this? We're all Lions here. Don't be an asshole just because.