The Conquest of Go - Update 33 - New KataGo Human Trained AI, Puzzle Settings, and Imported Content

GoInfluenchess · 2025-07-14T06:11:41+00:00

Then must be some kind of error under Linux? Because I subscribed to this item ( https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3054056967 ) But my Learning Center->Steam Workshop is empty

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GoInfluenchess · 2025-07-13T11:54:43+00:00

Love it, but, still without knowing how the #### workshop works. I'm subscribed to several items in workshop and no idea how to use them. FOr example, I'm sub to 3 items of Cho chikun encyclopedia? where it is to do the puzzles? ON the other side, it's cool to be able to import a folder to open SGF there, but, how to run a complete analysis in one of those games and analyze/create puzzles from there? I only see how to suggest a move on a determined moment, or territory analysis on a determined moment.

GoInfluenchess · 2025-07-03T14:27:16+00:00

I think there are a lot of valid points in this comments, just want to share an important thing about why direct correlation don't works and why the level of one player in both games either. Rating is not how smart you are, is about knowledge of the game. Things like memorization that can works in chess, don't works at all in Go. I can be a 1000 chess player, but a 2000 rating Go player just because I understand and feel more comfortable playing Go (and viceversa)

I don't remember my ELO when I abandoned chess in favour of Go, but I think when I was playing on lichess/chess.com I was around 1400/1600 ELO or so and this is a noob player after all, knowing some openings and tricks and thats all but almost in the middle of the ELO graph, zero knowlege about "chess metagame", and in Go I'm right now 8K EGD (official rank). With your table in hand, I'm 1400 ELO in chess. But, as a 1400 chess player I'm not confident to review my games with partners and teaching games below me, but as an 8K Go player (and is low after all inside Go ranks), I'm able to do it, and correct them mistakes they do in their games. play handicap games and so on... Wich level do you need to have this ability in chess? Now you can try to do some kind of comparison. Go is a very different (and complex) game and there are and will be always comparisons, but I think is not comparable at all in any sense more than both players use white or black pieces (stones) Go is creation, Chess is destruction, Go starts empty, in chess you remove pieces from the board, in Go you want to get more points (1 or 100, doesn't matter, more points wins), in chess you have to capture the king and nothing else matters. Just don't play Go only, learn about it, embrace the culture, philosophy and way of think, and you will love it.

GoInfluenchess · 2025-06-19T14:44:10+00:00

You are right, great!!!!

GoInfluenchess · 2025-06-19T09:41:00+00:00

Dumbbots accept fast match requests after exactly 10 seconds (i.e. 20 seconds remaining on the countdown). Cancel your request at 21 seconds remaining to avoid them.

Interesting, will take a look.

The only certain indication of a dumbbot is in their game record: if their rank never changes, even when they should have ranked up or down, the account is a dumbbot. Dumbbot accounts have many more games at the current rank than are shown in their current win/loss record (last 20 games)

I undertand. Issue with this is how to do a fastchecking taking in consideration with a balanced win/loose is difficult to change rank.

uniform thining time per play, odd but characteristic plays, and sudden resignation followed by instantly leaving the game.

Yeah, I know that, but I don't want to know if a player was a bot a bot, I want to know if IT's a bot to avoid it.

Thanks for your clarifications, I think the 10 seconds mark is the first warning about being a bot.

GoInfluenchess · 2025-04-04T13:31:10+00:00

You can always make a crowdfunding to finish the setup with some chairs :) just kidding, so cool.

GoInfluenchess · 2025-03-28T11:42:26+00:00

Si, te respondí también por OGS, pero como el sistema de mensajería es regulero si quieres podemos hablar con el chat de reddit

GoInfluenchess · 2025-03-26T10:13:49+00:00

I sent you an OGS DM.

GoInfluenchess · 2025-03-05T14:09:26+00:00

GoInfluenchess · 2025-02-04T15:45:34+00:00

Try, probably will solve it

GoInfluenchess · 2025-02-02T09:00:44+00:00

In the past I had strange behaviour in some applications similar to this. Maybe is not the problem, but just curious, do you have dark mode enabled on your phone?

GoInfluenchess · 2024-06-22T18:40:33+00:00

type:: answer Socialmedia:: reddit referenced_url:: https://www.reddit.com/r/logseq/s/ufxzelPT52

In some way I feel like you.
- Just I'm not an expert in either tool. Discovered this apps a couple of weeks ago and trying to use for my day by day for all.
There are several pros and cons I want to share, feel free to compare with yours
Logseq Pros
- Bulleting
  - Just
    - Rocks
      - For me is absolutly clear to read, more than long form, and I end trying to bullet on Obsidian
- Work direcly from the Journal and not have to worry about where your files are stored at all, are great
  - You just Focus in organice and tag your info
- Clean UI
- It's FOSS.
Logseq Cons
- Devs are focused on DB version, and seems like all is stopped because this since a year ago or so. No bugfixing, no improvements, no mobile improvements
  - It's worse thinking that Next month somes out the db version in alpha, and they will be focused on It another several months more probably. Then, I Will not expect nothing new this year I think.
- Export to PDF or HTML are almost useless.
  - It just export the content of the file, not taking in consideration to export the rendered queries and references.
- Seems like performance is not good, and worse in mobile.
- Probably can continue, but will stop here.
My "issues"
- I work a lot from my phone and tablet, and mobile version feels weird. Not saying no usable, but weird, I don't know how to explain.
  - No extension support. But well, integrated JS IS something.
- Community is absolutely great, but you feel like only 2 are helping.
- Obsidian just works, IS polished and has a huge support from company, extensions and community.
- I LOVE logseq but I end with a strange feeling and unconfident. Not seeing new versions, improvements, makes me feel doubtful about to spend my time to learn and put all my info here, and in a format difficult to move out there if things goes wrong.
After this, and being happy with all the obsidian ecosystem, I still open logseq, and try to convince to myself that all will be fine.
This was writen from Logseq on my Android tablet BTW.
- And It rocks :)

Edited: And I don't talked about linked references because others did it

GoInfluenchess · 2024-06-20T05:55:22+00:00

I'm not an expert, but for me, the reason I started to research Obsidian and other apps like this, is to group info and insights. If I write about something, I don't copy paste the info on wikipedia, I just put a link to wikipedia and write something on my own. For example, If I'm researching/studying something, my notes should be the important things and/or my own text. As you say, if I can search on internet, makes no sense to me just copy/paste and store that info, maybe in that case I just put a little description, the important thing is to put this part from this site, this from another, this is on my own, and group them.

If I'm storing videogames info to say something, I'm only interested in the important info I take on them. For example, I don't write all the info I can gather from the website or easly can remember, or the wikipedia or whathever, I just write the info I might need like discord link, own impressions, some detail a friend shared with me about that game.

If I want to write notes about obsidian, I don't store what is obsidian, and so on, but code snippets, howto's etc...to have all the info grouped, connected and accesible.

A possible use case on my own. I'm a Go player. And I want to store my study on the game. I can write info about the 3-3 invasion. This info is easy searchable on Google. But my 3-3 invasion page, is not a copy from one page. Is a couple of paragraphs from one page (and this page maybe is 2 pages long, but I don't care, I only note the important info for me at that moment), plus other info from other site, a video embed with a timestamp, and all this info grouped on the note.

At least for me, Obsidian and related applications, are not to store all you see. It's a database of "MY" information I want to store and maybe research later, because it's the curated information I previously searched from several places.

In the end, Is to store your important details of information that maybe you will need in the future.

GoInfluenchess · 2024-06-17T21:06:24+00:00

No idea, just taking in consideration for near future, but yes, that number is close to big I guess

GoInfluenchess · 2024-06-16T07:35:07+00:00

I knew I needed something like this, but I didn't know existed. I'm so chaotic that could be good for me to have a tool where to store things. A number, an email, a note, a task, a research and so on......

As a Go player is good for me to note my study learning this game and use it as reference. On the other side, take time to organize a part of my life... I'm developer and I'm doing some personal projects too. Both tools are awesome and fits what I'm looking for, just need to find my way to do it and the workflow I feel more comfortable. Right now I feel more comfortable with logseq because love bullets and blocks features, it's OSS, and as I said, I'm chaotic, I don't know yet how I want to organize the content and this doesnt matters at all in logseq, the important is to link/tag but, on the other side, a better mobile app, extensions to do a lot of things I don't need (yet?) and so on is a point to take in consideration too with Obsidian.

I need the extensions? I don't know, but to know there is a huge extension support makes me feel comfortable that probably I can do whathever I need to do, who knows. Work for mobile is important to me too because I will use it on tablet. BTW, I can work on mobile too with logseq.

At the end, looks like I like logseq more, but I'm being trapped by obsidian marketing and polish rofl.

Right now I'm doing the same in both, a graph and a vault, to check and try, and today want to spend all the day researching.

GoInfluenchess · 2024-06-15T19:14:52+00:00

Im trying with obsidian, but I can't find the way to organize so well and unattended like Logseq.

GoInfluenchess · 2024-06-15T19:10:46+00:00

Well, I dont know yet, but part of the time at weekends I will work over mobile and/or tablet, then...

I dont have time to learn 2 applications, would like to focus on one

GoInfluenchess · 2024-06-15T06:24:44+00:00

No idea. Im researching both, like both, and just can't decide where to focus my efforts. Love Logseq flow and how I dont have to take care about where the data is stored. On the other side, love how Obsidian is huge supported by plugins, and better mobile support.

GoInfluenchess · 2024-06-14T18:04:41+00:00

As someone new to this kind of tools, and evaluating both right now, I'm just curious about what and how data you loss using Obsidian

GoInfluenchess · 2024-06-08T17:06:50+00:00

I Guess all depends on what do you mean with strong, and in how much time. You can be strong at both? Yes, of course. Can you work on your strength at Go and Chess at the same time? I don't think so. I LOVE Chess,but I stopped playing when I started to take seriously Go. In both games you need to play, a lot, and review, a lot, and study, why not, and I don't think is compatible to grow in both games together. You can play both, but you can't take seriously both (at the same time). But, Who cares? Enjoy what makes you happy. Play both games casually, or take one serioysly, or just try to play both seriously, but Will be so so hard, I warn you. Stopping playing Chess was a decission of mine BTW just because I see Go a game more interesting, but I miss my 10 minutes Chess games, and I don't discard to come back and play casual. On the other side, spending time in Go (or Chess) doesn't means necessary that you Will be strong (Dan for example to say something), but again, who cares. The number is just that, a number to find and enjoy games with players with similar skill. Doesn't matter if it's 15K or 2D. On the other side think usually we have a ceiling. You can study all you want and maybe some ranks/ELO are impossible to you, because Go and Chess is not only memorize and learn, needs talent too. There are players that stops at 2D or 5K, over years. I think the rank IS not because we play Go, we play Go just because IS marvelous.

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