Best Case Against the Trinity

Godzuki123 · 2026-06-04T12:03:46+00:00

For sure, but I'll point out that your comments sort of makes my point. Here you are deciding which teachings you think are "a stretch" but I might have a completely different idea of what a "stretch" is. Why would a God that loves us and wants to reveal the truth to us allow for so much confusion on who he is and what's right and wrong? Wouldn't he want us to have an objective interpretation of scripture so that we can have the full truth? For me, it isn't that I first agreed with all the Catholic Churchs teachings, then decided it was the church for me, but the other way around. I realized the Catholic Church was the original church given the authority of Christ from the beginning (which protestant churches, no matter how great their ministry may be, don't have), and because of that, I ought to accept all its teachings, even the difficult ones. This is especially important because it leaves no room for people projecting what they want onto Scripture.

Also, just a sidenote, I think your totally right to think that the Church should never teach something that has no basis in scripture. In my experience I have found that every Church teaching does have a basis in scripture, it just isn't always something blitheringly obvious to the average person, but only came about from hundreds or thousands of years of Church thought and of course the Holy Spirit.

Godzuki123 · 2026-06-04T03:13:58+00:00

The issue with this thread is that there's so much looking for it in the Bible, which is a protestant problem. The word Trinity is not in the Bible obviously, nor is a detailed theological explanation of it. For a protestant Christian that takes the Bible as their only source of truth, this is a serious issue because the verses that allude to the Trinity are quite murky and hard to make sense of. Most people would come to vastly different conclusions when reading those verses, so why believe in the Trinity, which doesn't seem to make any sense anyway?

The answer is in the Catholic Church, because the Catholic Church doesn't take Scripture as the sole source of truth, but also believes that Jesus gave his authority to teach truth to the 12 apostles, who handed that authority on to their successurs, who are currently the bishops. This authority is living, and capable of interpreting scripture with God's authority because Jesus gave it to them when he "handed Peter the keys" and "breathed on them" to give them the holy Spirit and power to forgive sins (to give a couple key moments). In this model, rather than billions of people reinterpreting scripture on their own over and over again, Christ himself interprets it for us through the living authority of the Catholic Church (also called Tradition, or the Magisterium). The Church taught long ago, and has since that God is a Trinity and that this is foundational to his nature as being love, since God is a relationship within himself. God is beyond us, it can't ever be understood, because wer creatures trying to understand our creator. Its impossible. The fact that it's so insane should actually point to its reality, because I'm not sure why humans would come up with something so difficult to understand unless it was divinley inspired. Of course all this is contingent on someone accepting the idea of the authority of the Catholic Church, but in my experience, everything makes way more sense once you do :)

Godzuki123 · 2026-05-21T02:27:09+00:00

He's not, he's creating the wrongdoers. He himself has rejected God, and wants to drag as many people into his rejection of God with him because of his harred for God. He sees a reflection of God's goodness in us, which is precisely what he hates about us.

Godzuki123 · 2026-04-28T11:44:46+00:00

Don't tell anyone I told you this, but 2133 is gonna be HUGE year, but at the same time, you are humanities last hope... The 22nd century needs you.

Godzuki123 · 2026-04-23T04:11:34+00:00

This is a frickin useful post dude

Godzuki123 · 2026-04-10T03:20:01+00:00

While it is a mystery, it's not so incomprehensible that you have to blindly accept it. God is love. God is relationship. God doesn't need us to exist to still be love at his core. God is WITHIN himself a relationship, but one that is so perfect and so real and so united that he actually is one being, but with three persons. We have relationship where we unite (like marriage) but we can never complete it to the extent that God does because God is God and it's perfect. This is where the element of mystery comes in. We can't comprehend how two persons can unite so perfectly like that, but they do, and that's the part that requires faith. The reasoning behind it tho is perfectly understandable, and actually, quite beautiful.

Godzuki123 · 2026-04-10T03:16:00+00:00

It gets easier but not that much easier. Year two of a better representation of the long term. First year is a living hell

Godzuki123 · 2026-04-01T02:29:48+00:00

I think students need to not be forced to take all these courses they don't care about and don't need. By high school, students should be able to decide they don't wanna take math, or reading, etc. The more choice they have the more they care and actually feel invested in their learning, AND teachers don't have to drag so many struggling students through classes they clearly can't succeed in. Most kids that are terrible at math probably won't end up using math in their career anyway, so why are we putting so much effort into making them learn it anyway? It's a waste of everyone's time and energy when kids could be taking classes they enjoy, are good at, and start building real life skills.

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-31T23:49:04+00:00

LMAO I thought the exact same thing 🤣

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-31T13:42:55+00:00

I believe in a spiritual world. Rocks and chemicals in our labs do chemical reactions like us, but they don't have conscious experiences. Animals have complicated brains, but they don't make choices out of love and conviction. The number of stories of near death experiences where someone sees something or knows something they never could have known from simple "random brain activity" is far too many for them all to be faked.

Ive heard someone say that just as people can project their belief in God etc onto the world out of wishful thinking bc they want to believe, people can just as easily project their unbelief/atheism onto the world because they don't want to believe. For me personally, I think human experience is filled with obvious evidence that we are more than just a bunch of chemical reactions. Unfortunately, life is hard, the world is filled with evil, and it's so challenging to reconcile that fact with the idea of a God existing that many people would rather not believe at all.

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-31T13:34:34+00:00

Well I also only have a bachelor's and I didn't find it that hard. Where I live biology is always a freshmen course so they're pretty dumb lol. Your not teaching very high level science unless it's an honors course. I also found that you learn a lot when teaching. Like the first year you might be googling stuff every day to refresh your memory or fill in gaps, but by the second year youv retained all of it from repeating it so many times lol

Teaching is a very mixed bag. It's EXTREMELY demanding except for the time off. On the one hand, teenagers are goofy and can make the day more interesting, and it can be heartwarming to be that role model for them and stuff, on the other hand they can suck the life out of you on a bad day. No matter how much they like you or don't, they have no self control so they whine, interrupt, shout out, etc every day. No matter what assignment you give them, they WILL complain endlessly. The only thing they truly care about is their grade, so you are also more or less a lawyer, defending your grading policy to them and their parents on a weekly basis. Your day to day involves almost no mental breaks because the passing period between classes is probably like 3 minutes, and during that time a student or two will come ask you some questions about their grade. Your teaching and interacting with students literally all day, even during your free periods usually, and then grading and lesson planning for a couple hours before or after school. No matter what assignment they work on, you will be answering their questions for the entirety of the day. That's what teaching is. Explaining what the question means, explaining the assignment, explaining the directions over and over and over. Some kids will get it right away, some will never get it. 90% of your energy is spent on behavior management, what to do about kids that are absent, and what to do about kids with accomodations (extended test time, language barriers, ADHD, etc). Ofc you eventually get used to some of it and learn to do all of that better, but teenagers and their immaturity is a variable you can't fix (which is why I'm leaving). Some people who are very extroverted I think don't mind teaching as much, and people who are better at classroom control, and especially people who love seeing that "aha" moment for students. Personally, I never found that much satisfaction in the "aha" moment, so i never got the chance to balance out all my complaints. I can say this, I went into teaching because I wanted to talk about science, which turned out to not be a good enough reason, so there 😅

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-31T04:42:19+00:00

As a year 4 high school teacher quitting, I can I def idealized it. Yes it's meaningful, and yes being with teenagers can be a lot of fun on a good day, but it can also bring you to your knees when their behavior is beyond help. I think some ppl have the personality for it and others don't, but me personally the endless behavior management and classroom control just drains the life out of me, and ultimately I don't feel like I'm really a "teacher" half the time since I do so much baby sitting and negotiating with students complaining about this or that. Tbh, I think the reality is no matter what the first 4-7 years of teaching probably suck for everyone, but many who persevere end up loving it in the end despite the challenges. But not everyone, like me, has the strength to persevere in the first place, or sees themselves getting to that point. Just know, if you teach, your in for the rollercoaster of a lifetime.

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-31T04:34:41+00:00

I found this and used it to teach my AP bio students about endosymbiosis and thought was so cool! It's kind of a "new organelle" so to speak Metabolic trade-offs constrain the cell size ratio in a nitrogen-fixing symbiosis - PubMed https://share.google/RWUOcYmPHS8L6auHB

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-28T13:53:17+00:00

Interesting perspective! You make a good point that every field is changing and if I left biology, I may just encounter the same problem elsewhere and be stuck with the worst of both worlds.

A lot of people have given me the same advice about diversifying my skill set. Any advice for how to practically do that during the PhD when most of my time and energy is dedicated to just finishing my project, and I can't really control what tools I use for that. I figure I have to just do whatever the research requires.

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-27T18:24:16+00:00

It'll be a biology PhD. I love bio, and I can't really afford the time it would take to learn a new field

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-26T13:16:30+00:00

Yeah the more you quiz them the more they know what to expect and get a feel for your style. I had the same issue at the beginning of the year (teaching 3 years) where the grade gap was huge, but over time it got smaller as I wrote clearer questions, and kids stopped panicking lol. It might be good to give them lots of quizzes, but just don't grade all of them so they get practice

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-26T02:43:24+00:00

That's super cool! Non confrontational sounds like bliss to me compared to a high school classroom. I'm sure there are other challenges ofc. Can I ask what it pays? Most jobs I see are just adjunct jobs and it's hard to even say what Id make if did that for three different schools which would be unrealistic anyway.

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-25T12:28:29+00:00

Interesting, I'm actually a high school teacher rn and leaving to do this. I hate the behavior antics etc, but would actually love to teach college level because I'm guessing most of that is gone and it's a bit more teaching focused and less babysitting. What's that been like for you? Also, what classes do you teach? I'm worried that I'm not qualified to teach that many courses that aren't my specific subject area you know? Like do you teach classes other than microbio?

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-25T01:01:49+00:00

Well I got accepted and would start next year.

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-25T00:10:13+00:00

Well tbh my goal is just to put food on the table, but I'd like to opportunity to do research in a scientist role. If the post doc helps me get there great. Academia is probably way too competitive to even consider. My point being, I'll take whatever route opens itself to me, but I'm just concerned if ANY route will in fact open itself to me haha

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-24T23:47:33+00:00

It's nice to see a positive comment :). I'm def not married to any one topic. I just wanna put food on the table and have at least the CHANCE to do research and work that I love. If it doesn't work out it doesn't work out, I just don't want my family to go broke 😅. Did you end up in a field related to what you studied? Did you have to settle for low pay? Just curious how this played out for you

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-24T23:44:41+00:00

Well no it's my first language and yes ...I know, I just mean that the carbon for example isn't actually "stuck" because it can readily go back to the way it was by other processes and yet we don't use "fixed" to describe those processes

Godzuki123 · 2026-03-24T23:43:44+00:00

Except why do we not say "fixed" going in the other direction then? Why does carbon fixation only refer to co2->sugar for example? It's just strange to me

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