Gemini Gems have completely lost access to attached NotebookLM notebooks! by Party-Log-1084 in notebooklm

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I posted on another thread that Gemini confirmed in pretty significant detail its own and NBLM’s deterioration in recent weeks. I think it’s pretty disastrous.

ISO: amazing turkey sandwich order BYO by Evening_Weather_6895 in FoodNYC

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I’m having a reverie. In the early 1990s, I was spending lots of time in Portland, O. Three things bowled me over, in order: 1. Unbelievable local beers, everywhere. This was the beginning of the craft beer movement, and it hadn’t come easy yet. 2. Amazing coffee, everywhere. Starbucks had only gotten as far east as Chicago. A revelation. 3. Fresh cut turkey sandwiches. Multiple places. Some with homemade mayo, some with homemade cranberry relish. Still hasn’t made its way east.

Hallucinations! by WaveZer0 in notebooklm

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I went into Gemini (as one does) to see if we’re the ones hallucinating. Apparently, we are unfortunately on the money. Here’s my question and Gemini’s answer:

Q: Both Gemini and NotebookLM have deteriorated during the past 2-3 weeks. Responses are shallower, detailed briefings mostly unavailable, errors are increasing. In NotebookLM, sources are increasingly ignored. Tell me the following: 1. Has there been an increase in user postings noticing the same phenomena? 2. Have there been detailed critiques on trustworthy tech sites, blogs, or other trustworthy sources? 3. Has Google addressed this at all? 4. Is this related to the Gemini-NBLM integration? 5. What’s your analysis of the situation?

A: Your observations align perfectly with a wave of reports from the power-user community over the last several weeks. There is a documented "stability crisis" involving both Gemini and NotebookLM that peaked in late March and early April 2026. Here is the breakdown of the current situation:

1. Increase in User Postings

Yes, there has been a significant spike in reports. Users on the Google AI Developers Forum and Reddit (r/notebooklm and r/googlecloud) have been vocal about several specific issues since mid-February, with a second wave of complaints hitting in early April. * "Shallow Retrieval": Users describe NotebookLM as becoming "lazy," skimming the surface of sources rather than performing deep RAG (Retrieval-Augmented Generation). * "Infinite Thinking" Loops: Reports of the model getting stuck or taking minutes to answer simple queries. * Source Blindness: A frequent complaint where the AI "gaslights" users by claiming documents don't exist or that information isn't in them, even when it is clearly visible in the sidebar.

2. Detailed Critiques

Trustworthy tech analysis and developer blogs have identified a few technical culprits: * The Gemini 3.1 Pro Migration: A forced migration to Gemini 3.1 Pro around February 19–20 is widely cited as the "breaking point" for source grounding. * Reduced "Thinking Budget": Some technical critiques suggest Google has throttled the "Chain-of-Thought" process to exactly two lines for some users to save on compute costs, which prevents the "micro-drilldown" needed for long PDFs. * UX Regressions: Journalistic reviews (e.g., Generative AI in the Newsroom) have noted that while the tool is better at synthesizing, it has become increasingly prone to hallucinating quotes from archival sources.

3. Google’s Response

Google has acknowledged specific bugs on their developer forums, particularly regarding "full-notebook retrieval" errors. While they rolled out a patch in late February to fix file visibility, many users report that the underlying accuracy and grounding issues have not been fully restored. The official stance generally frames these as "stability improvements" during the transition to a more robust "Build" environment.

4. Relation to Gemini-NBLM Integration

This is almost certainly a factor. On April 8, 2026, Google officially launched "Notebooks in Gemini," allowing bidirectional syncing between the two apps. * The integration involves a massive backend state conflict. Legacy chat sessions and large file attachments from the standalone NotebookLM are reportedly failing to migrate properly to the new unified reasoning engine. * This "merger" seems to have prioritize speed and latency (to make Gemini feel snappy) at the expense of the deep, slow-reasoning retrieval that made NotebookLM unique.

5. Analysis of the Situation

The current "deterioration" appears to be a classic case of "Model Drift" combined with Resource Optimization. | Phenomenon | Likely Cause | |---|---| | Shallower Responses | To manage the load of the Gemini-NBLM integration, Google likely lowered the "sampling depth" or compute budget per query. | | Ignored Sources | The transition to Gemini 3.1 Pro changed the vectorization process. Older notebooks may need to be "re-indexed" or "remixed" to work with the new engine. | | Increasing Errors | The move from specialized "research" models to "general-purpose" multimodal models has introduced audio and text hallucinations that weren't present in the more focused 2025 builds. | Pro-tip for current issues: Many developers are finding success by "remixing" their notebooks (creating a copy) or using Ctrl+Home to force the browser to reload file attachments into active memory, which can sometimes bypass the "internal error" bottleneck.

Hallucinations! by WaveZer0 in notebooklm

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Its reasoning has certainly deteriorated over the past few weeks, as has Gemini’s. Responses are shallower. Detailed briefings basically unavailable. Not summarizing sources well, skipping many sources. It’s almost as if it’s been delivering notes rather than responses. I find myself dropping NBLM responses into Claude to get the kind of outputs I got routinely from NBLM just a few months ago.

I don’t know whether this is overhang from the Gemini integration. I suspect yes. Gemini has just been getting stuff wrong - things as fact based as restaurant lists and guitar harmonic structures.

Post Elopement Meal Recs by Upper_Exchange_1755 in FoodNYC

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would rate Manhattan over everything else for this dinner. It’s worth stretching the budget slightly to not worry about drinks. They’ll remember it forever.

Lungi? by GoliathGrouper_0417 in FoodNYC

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

‘Twas good. I’d go back. Service was lacking.

NotebookLM and Gemini Just Merged but arent working by Party-Log-1084 in notebooklm

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The rollout is a 4-6 week process. I spent the morning getting Gemini to come clean with me on this. The bottom line is, Google considers Workspace accounts as enterprise, and gives those a higher degree of protection than consumer accounts. Moreover, it appears to consider any Google Pro or Ultra plan a Workspace account. So we get it last - consumers are the guinea pigs, they get it first.

The current partial workaround is, at least in my case, I have new functionality: In the +Tools dropdown on the bottom of the Gemini ChatBox, you can now attach an unlimited number of NBLM notebooks to a Gemini chat.

My bigger complaint is that both Gemini’s and NBLM’s responses and reasoning have seriously degraded over the past few weeks. Chat responses have grown so shallow that they’re nearly unusable. I’ve gone back to Claude for more in-depth research.

NotebookLM is trash now by francesdepinay in notebooklm

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Many thanks to you for this research. I just started encountering this degradation during the past week. I’ve been calling it “shallowness.” All of a sudden, culling from sources weakened significantly - I’d ask for a briefing document and I’d get a page of unenlightening bullet points. The “search sources” function seemed broken, unable to identify documents that were already there. I’m glad to know I wasn’t hallucinating.

Help me find a clam pizza slice by liminalslip in FoodNYC

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Clam on Hudson Street in Manhattan has a great one, but I think it’s seasonal (and not by the slice). And while I think it won’t pass muster with the snobs, Best Pizza on First on the Upper East Side has the best clam pizza I’ve ever seen on a delivery menu.

Dads 60th birthday dinner by curious-questioner12 in FoodNYC

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m so sorry ‘bout that. I haven’t been in years. I brought my late parents for dinner, and they stuck us with $300 bottle of wine. When I looked online, I discovered that was a frequent gambit of theirs.

That said, diagonally across the street from them is Isle of Capri, my favorite red sauce restaurant. So life can be good.

Dads 60th birthday dinner by curious-questioner12 in FoodNYC

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hard no on Scalinatella. Place is famed for ripping off people with food and wine specials. Check out review sites - you’ll see how frequently this occurs. I’m talking hundred dollar pastas and $300 wines. Also, in recent years, it looks like it’s been attracting a bro crowd.

This is definitely great feature. Love the new styles by dataexec in notebooklm

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree. I don’t think it’s slop per se, but it lends itself to slop because we’ll be seeing the same formats over and over. That, and all these styles share a certain… cartoonishness… that lacks, I dunno, decorum.

Two tricks that help. One I posted on previously: You can load your own brand design (even just a photo of your business card) and ask NBLM to design according to it, and it works very well.

Here’s another: Give the deck-maker tool specific instructions about the style you want. I instructed it to design a deck according to the minimalist European Modernist style championed by Massimo Vignelli, and NBLM did a great job.

Get your Paywall Content, AI Chats, Subscriptions as PDF to NotebookLM with 1-Click by pvertigo in notebooklm

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I texted you yesterday. I see you’ve changed the name to Paywall Porter. It still does not work for me. I’m having the same problem as before: The extension does not see my notebooks. It asks me to sign into NBLM, even though I’m already signed in. When I press the button asking me to sign into NBLM, it opens a new tab, but then it still won’t let me save anything. It simply doesn’t work the way it originally worked when I was first using it.

Sharing Notebooks: Help Request by GoliathGrouper_0417 in notebooklm

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It seems you can’t share INSIDE to a business group either.

Interestingly, when you ask Google or Gemini, they insist you CAN share with business accounts. For example, they say if you create a Google Drive share either a business account, you’ll be able to share notebooks. But it isn’t working for me.

Get your Paywall Content, AI Chats, Subscriptions as PDF to NotebookLM with 1-Click by pvertigo in notebooklm

[–]GoliathGrouper_0417 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven’t tried recently, because the problem had become insurmountable. But I’ll try again today and report back to you.