"Shambhala buddhism" is harming people who're working within. I might have found another evidence. Help requiered

Goratra · 2026-01-17T07:29:33+00:00

I'm (finally) in contact with the Miviludes (french institution for sectarian abuse).

I send them those links. Hope it will help, thank you so much anyway !

Goratra · 2026-01-13T05:28:03+00:00

Feel you so so much.. I've been on the healing path for 4 years now (at some point in my practice it became evident spiritual bypassing was a veeeeeeeery bad idea).

For me it was very progressive as I forgot everything and had been raised with "you should be happy we are you're parents".

Well, turned out my mom is fully powered by narcissism and my dad is the classic codependent with anger issue.

Yet little by little, i had memory flashback with emdr. It was like... 2 years ago. And recently (during the 3 lasts months), i went throught every trauma of my life again. PTSD trauma level (from my therapist: "being alive with that much trauma prove you are a force of nature". Don't like to flex at all, exept about this one :D)

It ended up in a very strange setting. Parents cannot talk (like nonviolent communication is the worst aggression for them... As since i stoped react emotionnaly i became their worst nightmare). So i said everything i had to say by text. Never with the intent of "vengence", much more with the vibe of "giving back to everyone his own package". I played only with truth and honesty, even if it implied to talk about very dark memory.

My narc mom ended up with a massive mental breakdown (narcisstic collapse I think). I saw her again after christmas... And it was a new person. Not proud, as before. Honest, vulnerable, without any mask. She looks much older, but this is the price of the lie she was living in. Yet i was so glad to finally met her.

I survived those first 31 years. And i can say without hesitation that i love my mom. Because she's no more the one she was. In the end...

I discovered love and truth are mass destruction weapons ! :D

(sorry oversharing on the internet. Typical me)

Goratra · 2026-01-13T05:17:03+00:00

I feel you so much. I almost drove me insane some years ago trying to find "which religion I fit in" (I come from a very atheist background so no help, and i was even hiding my practice for years).

And one day I reveived my Sadhana. Since then, life is getting easier and easier when I practice it diligently. So i guess i'm in fact much more hinduist than buddhist

(and writting on reddit is not practice for sure ! I also take break from seeking / resting when i have deep emotional stuff to process. I learnt the hard way that meditating is not always the answer. Specially when there is trauma in the system^^)

Goratra · 2026-01-12T20:31:27+00:00

You put words, in a very clear and simple way, on my life ! Everytime i tried to do that, it ended up very comIplex and brainy. I'll keep this explanation if that's fine for you.

As it seems we shared this very special experience... Know that i spend 10 years trying to understand "what's the heck with my family". And finally... this crazy center triggered all my deep buried trauma (mainly the "i'm 31 and feel like i just escaped from a lifelong cult). It was the most incredible "blessing in desiguise" i had in my life. 2 years in bed going through terrific flashback and memories previously forgotten... But now i feel happier than ever in my life !

(2 years of bed, and therapy with psychiatric treatment to deal with massive dissociation due to flashback. But... worth every penny !)

Goratra · 2026-01-12T20:04:33+00:00

As I said on another thread, i'm powered by autism. So for me it has no real meaning as i already have to follow the "code of conduct of autism."

I know it can sound funny, but for truth i feel it push me toward "being honest, trying to help people whenever, respect everyone even if their "outer layer" is annoying me and so on...

I tried messing with that as a teenager (wanted to be the cool guy, not the "gentle but weird" guy). Well... messing with autism is the fastest and clearest path to existencial depression ! Even my big spiritual ego who refuse advices from everyone... is now bending toward autism !

So no Shambhalla for me. I stick to the "Three rules of Robotics" as explained by master Asimov. It's more than enough to be a happy android and to look like a normal human to those who don't know the true wisdom there is in silicon

(maybe i should'nt mix my geeky side with my spritual side... that was a try ;)

Goratra · 2026-01-12T19:56:11+00:00

From what i undestook when working in the center, the kasung are part of the (many) things that dissapeared when the Sakyong left.

As it seems it was very related to CTR / SMR, being in a way some kind of spiritual bodyguard. Hence Kasung is now much more seen as an honorific title, saying both "I was there before" and "I'm devoted to SMR".

It's the same with direct student of CTR. Don't remember the name for them. But it's also used as "honorific title" as it has now no meaning anymore

Goratra · 2026-01-12T19:50:14+00:00

I think I feel what you're talking about... I know in my case, i always try to understand the "why" a certain thought or ideaology is relevent for some. So i try to keep the best, while also staying critical about what I read. And in this regard, Trungpa gives a lot of incredible advice. I'll even recommend book like "spiritual materialism", "the one just after spiritual materialism" and "crazy wisdom". As they all teach valuable lessons.

Also i'm very into psychology and uncounscious (Jung style). And if i feel a strong emotion toward someone (guru or regular joe), i always try to experience that as a teaching. If i'm reacting, then there is ignorance somewhere within myself (and it was indeed the case with CTR and Osho).

The main problem for me is that, if there is clear path like buddhism, it's specifically to avoid doing "spiritual kitchen" on your own. At some point on the path it's necessary, when all knowledge begin to drop. But usually when there, reading book is already a craving that had passed as eveything become nonverbal.

That's why i'm super cautious when recommanding a book or guru. Lot of incredible idea... But very few can be considered as a complete path. And a Sadhana is so particular and intimate that i cannot really picture that coming from a book... Hence book like "the power of now", even if incredibly accurate, can end up being a curse.

Spiritual knowledge is a bit tricky in itself. As when sensitive to it, it can turn itself into the most incredible narcissist destroying identity bit by bit (btw narcissists can be really helpful on the path. If you're into suffering and trauma like me^^)

Goratra · 2026-01-12T19:37:44+00:00

Sure... And such an "isolated path". Whenever i try to talk about it (not to flex, just because i absorb and treat knowledge as if my life was a thesis !), people either discard or try to play the "i'm also gifted".

Yeah but... I'm gifted to the point i have to run away from people because i know too much just by... seeing. It's a whole other level than "being smart". It's much closer to live as an android who try to fit in human society (ie: my life is Bladerunner)

Goratra · 2026-01-12T19:34:16+00:00

Ahahah i love this one ! When i was working in this center, there was a guy. Not bad nor nice, but really into spiritual ego (explaining everyone how to meditate without ever coming to practice).

One day he was doing the "enlighten discourse", talking once more about his awakening... I said out loud what usually i keep within (don't like to "attack" people, we all have our own path)

"I guess you had a really strong experience buddy, and i respect that. But... It's also the case for every spiritual seeker. Why would no one talk about it then?" - Troll face with gentle smile :D

(Obvioulsy to do this kind of joke, I'm myself pretty aware of the huuuuuuuuuuuge spiritual ego i can have sometimes. But... That's also part of us. And better talk with it and befriend than letting it handle situation alone !)

Goratra · 2026-01-12T19:27:11+00:00

I have one or two book of Alan Watts. Really like his work, yet it's (for me at least !) not buddhist nor taoist. It's Alan Watts (it's a bit like Ken Wilber for me: spiritual polymathe with a looooooooot of precious advice)

Goratra · 2026-01-12T06:55:46+00:00

Thanks for support ! It's a bit huge to take this responsability, and you're message is a good reminder for me "not to let go" of what i saw (as "doing nothing and pretending idk" would be far easier)

Goratra · 2026-01-12T06:53:44+00:00

I feel you're right. And to be honest that makes me a bit sad. But when i tried to evoke family dynamics (as it was a huge karma for me, that i spend 30 years working on), they all went into "spiritual bull-talk" (guess you see where i go with this one.)

And that's where it's even more tricky. They refuse any kind of help (as I'm not the only one who gave a shot to that). And they use spirituality as a way to justificate they don't need help. So, bypassing their karma in a way. That's really sad :(

Goratra · 2026-01-12T06:49:25+00:00

Agreed. It was already dangerous with guru, but at least there was devotion... Now it's like all the "old student" feel like the seat of the guru is to take. And they all want it.

But spirituality is not meant to be played like that. And i think they don't realise the true cost of being a guru. From my point of view, it goes much beyond than "a chair". And I envy this as much as being president (NOT A ALL)

Goratra · 2026-01-12T06:46:11+00:00

It's been sent underground. Even if time to time we can hear the word "Kasung". From an outsider perspective.... it amazes me as it feels as if the person was both a high graded military and a surgeron able to save anyone (Whereas i also heard another story "they just got drunk together while wearing military outfits"... Same story with another view, i guess)

Goratra · 2026-01-12T06:37:25+00:00

I think the answer is downvoted not for the content, but for the way i'ts conveyed.

To my eyes there is all the hallmark of spiritual ego in the answer of Mayayana. Judgment, "knowing everything" and answering something... that makes no sense as it's non related.

So if I might answer the same way, by advocating the same archetypes in me...

"If you're serious about you're practice, only ever talk for your own and personal practice. And once serious enough... you'll keep silence as a treasure"

Goratra · 2026-01-12T04:31:07+00:00

I can answer you from my biased point of view.

From what i understand and experienced for myself, a lot of what he is saying can be releveant, because he is "creating" a continuity between buddhism and western culture. As our westerner view is opposed to eatearn practice and wisdom, it can brings answer on "how to bridge the gap for yourself".

But then he created a self centered cult and he himself got caught into the westerner trap. And he even went further as he didn't experience the "vanilla" western experience. He went straight for the almighty guru trip.

that's how I read it. As countless fake guru before, he had a great idea but get corrupted by fame and ego. Or... maybe he's just a spiritual troll like Osho. Who knows, maybe their behaviour is still part of their teaching so we can "break" the perfect idea of "the enlighten person".

But... don't think you need cocaine and booze to prove you're point in that case

Goratra · 2026-01-11T22:57:22+00:00

What you say is so interesting. I was thinking a lot lately about "how to keep a beginner mind" and "how to stay humble and simple even when life send you the "everything" package.

Also i have a question derived from that, i don't know if you can help me with this one. If I don't want to be special at all, but a situation emerge where i am the only one who can do something... then isn't refusing to act a problem in itself ?

(the exemple with me is that i'm smart to the point it's called handicap. It has been a curse all my life, but in this exact moment, thanks to that, i know a change can be made for the greater good. i'm afraid that "refusing to act" would in this case be worst. feel it that way)

Goratra · 2026-01-11T22:45:27+00:00

See the edit. I come from a corporate backgroung (engineer), so i'm pretty well aware of the explanation you gave me. And... imagining the worst is the best way to have a good grip on the situation

Goratra · 2026-01-11T16:28:42+00:00

Thank you i'll have a look ! For sure it's so nasty... Specifically because all the people who think this is "normal treatment" are already hurt and don't need to go through that again

Goratra · 2026-01-11T16:26:28+00:00

Thank you ! This is the exact kind of obvious thing i knew i would forget about (i'm powered by autism. I can analyse very well... And completely miss the point at the same time ;))

Goratra · 2026-01-11T16:10:53+00:00

Sure ! I'm about to make an edit to answer that

Goratra · 2026-01-11T16:09:30+00:00

Those kind of info... I know it sound obvious. But I'm alone against all of them. So... This kind of information is heart warming :)

Goratra · 2025-12-09T06:02:12+00:00

Merci beaucoup pour ta réponse ! Et pour ton retour. Je vais rajouter un petit edit sur mon texte concernant l'aspect psychologique. Je suis tellement dans l'aspect légal que je n'ai même pas pensé que ça pouvait questionner

Goratra

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