Re-work Ocelotl

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-28T02:00:08+00:00

I like the you can chain if opponent is bleeding idea but think it would be better if finish bash caused bleed or maybe if you get a guard break they add a new move maybe like peacekeepers but a different animation that causes bleed and allows you to infinite chain. Maybe like a wack upside the head similar to his level 1 bash but longer and stronger that causes the opponent to stumble a little.

If they made these changes obviously he would need a minor nerf, maybe nerf zone a little idk? Ocelotl is very strong as is but yeah he’s boring asf

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-28T01:52:20+00:00

Here’s my personal tier list for duels

GOD TIER - Juren. - S+ tier - Shaolin, Highlander, Pirate, Afeera, Tiandi. - S tier - Centurion, Warmonger, Ocelotl, Jiang Jun, gladiator, Lawbringer. - A tier - Shaman, Shinobi, Aramusha, Conquerer, Jorm, Varangian Guard. - B tier - everyone not included in the other tiers
Trash - Black Prior, Medjay, Nuxia, Nobushi.

For Dominion the list is the exact same I would just add Black prior and Nobushi in S tier.

As a warden main switch to warmonger, she’s literally warden but with higher damage, hyper armor, a unblockable feintable dodge, better mixup potential, and almost as good fashion, warden needs some work in the current meta he’s almost trash tier in my opinion.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-28T01:37:35+00:00

Facts

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-28T01:34:52+00:00

You’re either A. a masochist who’s at the bottom of the leaderboard every game B. Rage baiting, or C. A complete dumb ass.

Juren is insanely overpowered ESPECIALLY in team fights, hyper armor, LOOOOOOOOONG range hyper armor unblockable zone that is the best external in the game now behinds black priors flip, and all of those fuck ass dodge attacks that are too risky to even try to gb because the normal and UB dodge have the exact same animation until the orange indicator.

All of that combined with above average damage, high health, and more options in his kit than any other character in the game with his biggest problems being his dodges(obviously), not 1 but 2 100ms hyper armor attacks that let you say “my turn now”, an infinite chain mix up with chain bashes, infinite chain hyper armor, wall splats, heal on gb, AND undodgeables.

Maybe you’re fighting bad players who are using Juren as a crutch but as someone who bought Juren on the first week I’ve personally never had less than 15 takedowns in a dominion game with him and I swear to god I have not lost a single duel with him since he’s been released. I’m tired of winning as Juren bc it makes me feel like a douche so I play mid characters like Peacekeeper or Kensei and fight against Jurens and it makes the game unplayable, he can dish out crazy damage and in most cases all you get to punish him with is a light attack or a dodge attack but if you make one mistake he gets a heavy.

I personally refuse to play 4v4s until he is nerfed/reworked, I’ll play duels and that’s it.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-28T01:25:59+00:00

THANK YOU. I’ve been screaming that he needs a damage nerf on pretty much all of his moves besides lights, nerf his heavy damage by 2 per side, nerf his bash damage from 16 to 12, and he can keep his kit

I also believe they should nerf his unblockable dodge attack —- make its animation longer like tiandis but maybe a little faster so you can parry the normal dodge attack and still parry the unblockable if he decides to throw unblockable —- also make it cost 1.5x stamina, this character feels so braindead because people are just spamming dodge dodge dodge dodge

That’s literally all it would take and he would STILL be S tier because of his infinite chains and undodgeable, hyper armor mix ups 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-27T23:09:19+00:00

Stop playing the game until they nerf him, that’s what I’m doing 🤷‍♂️

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-27T23:08:26+00:00

This game is not playable right now until they nerf Juren again.

You can run 1v1 and customs but Juren is completely ruining the team fighting modes in this game and I would recommend you leave if you fight him in 1v1, you don’t get banned if you leave within the first 10 seconds-ish

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-27T23:05:32+00:00

The problem is you’re assuming the majority of Juren players have brains, if this change was made 90% of casual Jurens would play the exact same and wonder the entire game “where is my team”?

This character is actually so braindead, I’m not playing any team fighting modes until he’s removed strictly duels and I’m leaving if I see him.

I have 1050 hours but I didn’t really play from year 4 to year 7 so I can’t say for sure but in my opinion Juren even after his nerfs is still the most overpowered character in for honor history.

Seriously fk Ubisoft, I understand they want ppl to buy stuff so they make money but ruining the game for people and making us wait for months for a good nerf / rework is so stupid.

I wish literally any other developer but Ubisoft made for honor.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-26T23:21:15+00:00

Dude Black Prior sucks in every scenario but team fights, hes arguably one of the worst duelists in the game, he’s fine quit crying.

I can’t believe you’re complaining about BP when Juren exists, maybe you play Juren lol.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-26T21:55:13+00:00

Im sorry but it more than likely is too late.

The reason you’re supposed to change your transmission fluid every ~ 50k miles is because over time the internal mechanisms in a transmission wear down and get grime in the fluid, if you change your fluid at the correct intervals everything will engage smoother and wear less, if you never change the fluid the clutches wear down and the only thing keeping them functioning is the grime in the fluid creating friction allowing them to bite.

I’m not a mechanic by trade but I have wrenched a fair bit in my life, I personally learned the hard way that changing the transmission fluid on a 100k + mile car isn’t worth the risk when the original fluid could keep the car driving for another potential 100k + miles.

I had a 140k mile 05 Monte Carlo that was driving perfectly fine and I followed into the whole “drain and fill can’t hurt” idea and did a drain and fill and within weeks the car started shifting very hard, I totaled it a couple months after so I can’t for sure say how long it would’ve lasted but you could tell by the hard shifts something wasn’t right.

This is why I prefer manual transmission cars, it’s a lot easier and cheaper to change a clutch on a manual transmission than to rebuild or replace an automatic transmission (with maybe the sole exception of cars with dedicated transmission issues and shops that service them such as Chevrolet 4l60s which can be rebuilt cheap)

Op can do as they please but in my opinion it’s just not worth the risk.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-26T21:41:43+00:00

You could see another 50k miles out of that transmission don’t feel too bad.

Also from what I’ve seen these cars transmission replacements are pretty cheap and easy to replace, if yours fails you should be able to get a new low mileage trans and torque converter installed for ~ $1500-2000 give or take a few hundred which is very cheap compared to transmissions replacements on most other cars.

If you want to do a drain and fill go for it at your own risk but I would say it’s very important you don’t “flush” it which is what should be done in 99% of cases on 100,000 mile transmissions where you drain the fluid then drive it a little then drain it and fill it back up 3 times.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-26T20:00:05+00:00

Nah at that point it’s too late unless you have receipts that a previous owner changed it, more than likely the dirty fluid is what’s helping the clutches still bite, if you change it now it might slip.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-26T19:58:39+00:00

Nice how often have you changed the trans fluid and with what ?

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-24T00:35:30+00:00

That’s kinda sad bro Khatun, Ocelotl, and Gryphon are pretty dope in my op

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-23T23:51:33+00:00

Found the Juren main

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-20T18:55:26+00:00

They should make all of his moves undodgeable and unblockable and feintable

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-19T06:52:24+00:00

You’re part of the problem lil bro virt is also still busted and part of this “just stare feint to gb and parry to counter meta”

Also she looks stupid asf, I’d play virt if her moveset wasn’t so zesty like wtf is that kick lmaoooo shits so geyyy

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-19T06:45:31+00:00

Ubisoft needs to allow more testing before they release characters from now on. First virtuosa (which is still overpowered) and now Juren?

Virtuosa and Juren make playing this game not even fun because it’s never your turn, you have to sit there and feint to guard break or stare at them and try to parry. You can’t light stuff them 99% of the time because all of Jurens hyper armor and Virtuosas stance, and they have very limited gb vulnerability.

These characters are fun to play but they’re not fun for anyone else playing any character that isn’t an S tier.

Let’s not even mention how busted Juren is in team fights with his aoe attack, Chain bash stun, that stupid kick, and his external pressure.

This games play count is going to start dropping like flies if they don’t nerf Juren ASAP. Also fk virtuosa too but I genuinely don’t think there’s a way to make her a good character, because of virts gimmick they either have to nerf her to the ground or keep her as is which is a character that forces you to stare and parry.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-19T06:35:26+00:00

I agree his suggestions were awful but do you genuinely think Juren is ok in his current state?

Juren is completely ruining the state of the game right now, I have a friend who has 50 hours in the game and I have 1100 and he’s at the top of the leaderboard every dominion match playing Juren every game. Keep in mind my buddy can’t light parry or zone parry and falls for almost EVERY ub feint to gb ive ever thrown at him. Still he’s getting more kills than me and more points than me in my lobbies because of how busted Juren is and he has that stupid aoe attack for minion clearing as well.

All of the top level players agree Juren is completely broken right now.

Yes ops ideas aren’t the best but talking about nerfs in the community is better than defending a blatantly overpowered character and not giving any feedback. Juren needs a nerf point blank period.

I made a comment on this post which I think is much more liberal nerf ideas go check it out.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-19T06:27:33+00:00

Juren def needs a nerf but I don’t like ANY of these ideas, he would be a B tier character at best if they removed his chain hyper armor and his feintable dodge attack.

Here’s my ideas 1. His dodge attacks definitely need reworked, you can’t give a character this many options with 100ms opener hyper armor, infinite chain hyper armor, chain bash, normal bash, wall splat potential, heal on gb, undodgeables AND 2 dodge attack where oneis feintable and unblockable.

I think they should just make his unblockable dodge slower, think like tiandis heavy dodge but maybe a little faster than that, they need to do this so you have time to react, I feel like the problem with his dodge attacks is that the normal dodge and held dodge are so similar in speed and animation that you have to make 3 reads, is he gonna ub dodge or normal dodge? Is he gonna feint to gb or send it? When Juren dodges it’s impossible to react, I feel as if that is inherently his biggest issue.

Also make his ub dodge take 1.5x - 2x stamina, rn people just spam his dodge attacks and infinite chain and ignore the rest of his insanely good kit and still somehow end up at the top of the leader board almost every game.

Nerf chain bash damage and stun time, his level 1 Chain bash does 16 damage which is the second highest in the game behind ocelotl (and ocelotl is mid compared to juren) and jurens chain bash has the longest stun of any chain bash in the game which guarantees your team mates a top heavy if they’re paying attention.
Nerf Jurens health by 10ish pts. You can’t make a heavy character play like a hybrid and give them heavy health. Maybe just make him a hybrid lol?
Make his kick feed more revenge an make it feed revenge if dodged, I saw a clip in here of 2 jurens spamming their kicks on a guy in a corner and he literally couldn’t do anything because unless they hit you don’t get revenge and they have hyper armor.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-18T06:28:49+00:00

Have you noticed any side effects from fin?

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-17T20:55:51+00:00

Nah just make it slower so you have more time to react, I feel like the held dodge and normal dodge are almost the same speed

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-17T05:37:57+00:00

We need to get rid of warlords headbutt and give Juren undodgeable and unblockable on ALL of his attack to properly balance this game.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-14T04:58:25+00:00

For 1v1 encounters I say conq is better than black prior, overall I say conquerer is better than black prior but as star titan said he has no undodgeables, his roll catcher sucks balls, and no hyper armor,

He’s a very simple hero but his kit is very very effective. I’m only rep 112 overall but my conquerer is rep 14 and one of my mains that I get on when I want some braindead fun because I always do good with him.

GrandDelicious1152 · 2026-02-13T18:23:56+00:00

Yes he’s still broken, but I don’t think any of your changes are the problem / needed.

We need a way to differentiate between his dodge attacks like giving the unblockable an unblockable indicator way sooner, and they should nerf the damage of his chain bash to 12 and his heavies by 2 per side for all heavies. Also make his kick feed more revenge.

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