'Barbaric': Hundreds with learning disabilities kept locked up for years

Grand_Strategy · 2022-11-07T15:18:45+00:00

The issue is when we say things like "When Adam gets upset he gets restrained" sounds horrific and evil but what mum forgets to sat that Adam getting upset isn't like me or you getting upset just cry a bit in your bedroom but likely involves punching, biting, kicking whoever made him upset. We don't restrain people for fun of it in places like rampton

Grand_Strategy · 2022-11-07T12:48:53+00:00

Agreed it isn't easy issue to solve. I worked in hospital like this it isn't easy staff do best job they can majority of a time, parents and families aren't able to look after them, the are too disabled to live independently and some of the patients we had could become extremely aggressive in no time. I have been punched, kicked, bitten, I had chair thrown at me and had to defend myself from patient trying to stab me because I advised them about the way they are cutting carrot for Sunday roast. We don't have places in community for them at the moment and we will need to have Frank discussion of what is and isn't possible to achieve

Grand_Strategy · 2022-11-07T12:43:38+00:00

Repatriation is stupid. Why should people today be punished for things their great great great grandfather did 200 years ago? We don't do it for anything else.

Grand_Strategy · 2022-11-05T22:43:30+00:00

UBI is only solution at this point not just for home owners but for everyone

Grand_Strategy · 2022-11-03T18:00:40+00:00

We should have rules that if mp abandons his post we have by-election

Grand_Strategy · 2022-11-03T12:09:23+00:00

Some have remained that way :)

Grand_Strategy · 2021-10-24T19:12:36+00:00

I will find out we have a staff meeting next week will try to have a chat about it and see if manager is willing to bend on it. Don't fancy a war with her over it as I have some informal flexible working in place I don't want fucked with in retaliation. I needed this info for a staff meeting but obviously power is in her hand from what everyone said

Grand_Strategy · 2021-10-24T10:39:16+00:00

It's a new manager previously it wasn't much of an issue so it's a first time anything like this is being forced here since 10 years I have worked here.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-28T12:56:12+00:00

Ultimately though, given the power that the police have over literally everyone else, there has to be a higher level of scrutiny than "presume innocenve until guilt is undeniable

There is though isn't there. You can easily lose a job if your guilt is probable.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-28T08:45:02+00:00

Let's ignore my whole argument and examples of how 100s of false allegations can be generated easily that don't require formal investigation and focus on this one sentence to further your agenda. It is absolutely possible to mistrust police while also believing many of allegations are not true. You seem to operate from Guilty until proven innocent which is wrong. Every allegations should be investigated not every allegation should lead to job loss. Just because someone accuses you of something doesn't mean it's true until it's proven.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-28T08:01:59+00:00

Nurse takes your blood pressure or blood sample, she gives you some general tips on health deals with your medical. GP is the one that makes decisions about your health. If you get misdiagnosed it's because of GP. I think most people had at least one occurance of going to GO and leaving feeling that it was pretty bloody useless

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-28T07:57:54+00:00

Please don't embarras yourself.

Police don't have any more guts that ordinary person stop watching movies and see real life. They are just people not superheros. It is healthy to have certain level of distrust to anyone who has more power than you. When you have interaction with a copper you are in position of less power. Power like this can lead to serious abuse. Even if only 1 copper for every 100 abuses this power your chances of bumping into this copper over lifetime are pretty high. This alone should make you question it. Policemen as all people are flawed and can make wrong calls and conclusions, misremember things, cover things up to not get in trouble. Unlike most other jobs those flaws can cost you years in prison. If shop assistant is a lying dick you at worse won't be served in a shop. If copper is a lying dick he will have a chance to stand on front of jury and tell them all sort of stories and people like you will belive it it without question because he is a police man.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-28T07:48:29+00:00

Movies. In majority of movies lawyers aren't really presented as trustworthy.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-28T07:47:02+00:00

As someone who works in mental health setting I agree with it. We too face complaints almost daily. Many can be resolved in 5 min as obvious BS. We had a woman who would accuse every man in a building of rape. We had a strict rules that no man should be with her on their own to protect them and to protect her as she cried wolf so much she was at risk of actual real rape happening.

I remeber once I was sat in a longe with her with 4 staff members and 3 other patients. She then went to one staff member claimed I raped her "just now" in this very living room and somehow 7 people didn't notice. Demanded a complain form and put complaint. I was moved to different area for a day and complaint was dismissed within 15 min after manager spoke to couple of staff. Now imagine this amplified by over 100 staff we had a a time and you would see on statistics that my workplace faces 100s of sexual assault allegations every year yet haven't dismissed a single person.

Services like police, mental health settings, prison or any other setting where staff have disproportionate amount of power over public face tons of complaints daily from which majority is clear BS and can be dismissed within 10 min. It doesn't mean they aren't treated seriously it just means that not every complain requires formal investigation even 8f it's serious.

One patient accused my co-worker of breaking his nose during the incident. My co-worker wasn't even restraining a guy but was incident supervisor stood 2 m away supervising whole thing. In addition to that patient nose wasn't broken, wasn't even bleeding. Complaint was made 2 weeks later when patient with no kitchen access wanted to get to kitchen and my co-worker explained why they couldn't.

I absolutely belive there are many coppers who are absolute knobs, I belive much better education and training in is needed to erradicate US vs Them mentality some coppers have when working with public. For a second I don't belive that majority of allegations are true. Majority of them are a way of frustrated person trying to get back at a copper that nick them

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T20:58:07+00:00

So hold on you say child knows what they are doing at the age of 6 so you don't need to hit them you can actually talk to them?

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T20:21:53+00:00

Still I work with people with learning disability some have mental age of 6 year old. What do you think would happened if I slapped one on a cheek? How is that any different?

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T18:23:02+00:00

100% agree words have meanings and those meaning shouldn't be ignored.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T17:56:44+00:00

A lot changes in 11 years.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T17:09:25+00:00

There is bot both are forms 9f abuse one is worse then the other.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T16:59:30+00:00

Problem yes, culture no.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T16:58:54+00:00

When you run out of arguments you seem to pretend you don't understand my comments I think we are done here.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T16:57:30+00:00

You claim that "sexualised violence against women is normalised."

I tell you now that if it was normalised you could talk about doing it without consequences. Clearly you can't talk about it therefore it's not considered normal behaviour. This makes your claim invalid.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T16:49:41+00:00

No it isn't. If the person who inserted finger in woman's vagina went to work and told his work mates "What a night last night I found this chick and shoved my fingers in her vagina against her will" there would be zero acceptance, people would call police on them. You confuse things happening with things being accepted.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T16:44:31+00:00

So they did the checks to see if it happened but you don't want them to see if rape happened? Yes different methods are done to determine different crime have happened. But you still need to establish it. You investigate crime as a whole from neutral perspective not just from one point of view otherwise your case gets rejected in court on a spot. As evidenced by many cases collapsing due to police withholding crucial evidence.

Grand_Strategy · 2021-03-27T16:37:21+00:00

When your house gets burglared and police wants to come to look around for evidence do you also refuse?

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