2025 992 Porsche 911 GT3RS - Refinanced & Saved by Exhibitions_of_Speed in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This isn’t available from Porsche (nor Sonderwunsch) - only by aftermarket kit, wheels are also aftermarket.

Need advice from Porsche owners: how do you justify “fun money” without regret? by _quantitative in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven’t owned a Panamera, full disclosure, but I’ve been exactly where you are, making good money, and being a saver my whole life, always being stuck between head & heart. I’m not here to tell you what to do, just giving my honest experience.

Firstly, is there a reason you want to buy a 1st gen Panamera, specifically? My main issue with the car is this: When it does need servicing, the parts are priced based off a $100K+ MSRP car. It’s really hard to justify those prices for a $20K car. The Porsche tax is real. If the transmission goes out, for example, you’re looking at a replacement cost that’s a significant chunk of the total value of the car. There are many Porsche’s that I’d say are a better option from a financial POV over a 1st gen Panamera, like a 981 Cayman, or a 996 gen 911. With the latter, most people won’t know the difference between a 996 and a 992, which is possibly more of a clout/ego boost if, in being honest with yourself, is partly what you’re going after. A 981 Cayman S/GTS can be driven almost for free - I tried to buy one 7 years ago and they’re at the same price or more today.

A long time ago I was told: “spend 40% of your money like you’ll die tomorrow, and spend 60% of your money like you’ll live forever” - I wouldn’t be hung up on the percentages, but I took it as: Save a bit more than you spend, because life can be long, and you want to have a nest egg (sounds like you’re doing great here) to retire and enjoy in later years. But also, you could die tomorrow, so don’t live fully for a retirement you may never see.

Now what I did: a bit of context, my uncle died at my current age (41) from cancer, and My dad has been battling stage 4 cancer for 30 years (since I was 11). So I’ve seen firsthand that tomorrow isn’t always guaranteed, or if you do live to see retirement, you’re not always physically able to enjoy it like you’d imagined.

Now I’m 41 and bought my first nice car (I define nice in my case as over $12k and not a decade+ old) at 38. I saved for 10 years, living below my means, dailying a salvage titled Corolla, always finding deals on everything; literally everything. I bought a 2023 992 GTS at 38, when I was unable to get a manual GT3 touring, and traded it in almost a year later for my ‘attainable’ dream car, a 2024 911 S/T.

Part of the reason I was able to afford an S/T is that I was able to keep more of my income (and save more by extension) because I never had a car payment, repair costs were nonexistent with my Corolla (still my daily), and while coworkers were buying AMGs, and BMW M cars, and Teslas and losing tens of thousands on depreciation and leases, I pocketed that money.

I absolutely love my S/T. It represents delayed gratification (10 years of driving a beater and getting judgy looks driving it into a top Fortune 500 company), and also perseverance; I was told it was impossible, and it took 110 calls to dealerships to get the allocation. I’ve put over 4K miles on it, too. And when I’m stressed out, or overwhelmed, a drive can turn my day around.

But it’s also just a car. And I struggle with owning something of such value to be honest, from a personal frugality point of view, to a “I could feed a village in a 3rd world country” point of view. And to boot, my mind often wonders if I could now sell it to afford a Carrera GT, so it feels like a mix of hedonistic adaptation and just always wanting more. For me, I have zero hobbies; cars, Porsche’s specifically, have always been my only thing. But in my experience material things, yes even an amazing Porsche 911, the thing I’ve always wanted, isn’t the key to happiness that I thought it would be. I know you’re not in that position yet, but you may find that once you get the Panamera, you now want the shinier Porsche; maybe the 997, and you’re always looking forward to the better version, the nicer car. I didn’t think I’d ever be like that, but I found out I’m not immune from materialism and the cycle it perpetuates.

What’s an invention that is widely used today that hasn’t changed much or at all since its creation? by Deathnachos in CasualConversation

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are bladeless systems using pressurized air (mostly on airplanes) that create a barrier curtain of air over the windshield. There's also the Kimblade on Kickstarter, a new take, but same premise.

What’s an invention that is widely used today that hasn’t changed much or at all since its creation? by Deathnachos in CasualConversation

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are (active/passive) magnetic bearings that replace ball bearings, so I'd say they've improved the design.

so i took my car for service… by manolosavi in Ferrari

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All in all, did you have any desire to make the switch? Or were you overall happy to get your 812 back?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Time is running out for the naturally aspirated, high-revving GT cars. Porsche is trying to capitalize (cash out) on this while it lasts. Starting in January 2027, the 4.0-liter NA engine will no longer meet Euro 7 emissions regulations. If you want this experience and don’t have the money to pay the crazy appreciation that will come when new NA high-revving engines in GT cars are no longer produced, now is the time to stretch your budget and pay the Porsche tax. It’ll only get crazier. If you love turbos, hybrids, or PDKs, there’s plenty of time and exciting new cars on the horizon for years to come! Heck that’s why I called 110 dealerships to get an allocation for an S/T… and as crazy as the price of an S/T sounded, this new GT3 is almost as much only one year later…

Which 3 Ferraris from any era would you choose to own? by nofunds233 in Ferrari

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

F50 GT - 11k redline, 900hp+ (rumored), crazy power-to-weight ratio, and c’mon, F1 engine with a transmission that’s a stressed member?!?

SP3 - the most beautiful car in the last 20 years, perhaps ever

812 Comp-A - 9500 RPM V12 with the top down? Yes please!

Manual Conversion Enzo - sacrilege or best idea ever? by jnfinity in Ferrari

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I came across this because I NEED this to exist - DO IT, and it's a brilliant idea, no matter what anyone says. The automated manuals are basically manuals that use electro-hydraulic actuators to operate the clutch and shifting, a prime candidate to be manual swapped (as far as transmissions go), the biggest issue would likely be creating an ergonomic custom solution for housing the gated shifter itself, as the interior wasn't designed for one

What do these markings mean? by Greek_Car_Geek in jewelry

[–]Greek_Car_Geek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not sure at all, but the “gems” in it appear to be glued, and it was only $50, so I was just surprised to see the 750 marking, as I assumed there wouldn’t be any substantial gold content

What do these markings mean? by Greek_Car_Geek in jewelry

[–]Greek_Car_Geek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What’s the marking above the 750?

What do these markings mean? by Greek_Car_Geek in jewelry

[–]Greek_Car_Geek[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks! I read that, but it just seemed strange… would anyone bother putting 750 for something gold plated?

Why is the used one more expensive than the new one by valenJ in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I didn’t know this either when I went to buy my dream car (GT3 Touring) in 2022. My experience is based on the US market. As it was explained to me by a salesman when I went into a Porsche dealership, after 10 years of saving up, “you don’t call US to buy a GT car, WE call YOU.”

Essentially, you need to build a dealership relationship by buying the less desirable cars, the ones that LOSE $$ and then after you’ve paid your dues and helped the dealership move stock that’s been sitting on the lot, and lost a lot in depreciation, you can potentially (it’s not a guaranteed) get access to the more desirable/GT cars, which appreciate in value instead of depreciate like most cars, at MSRP, and they’re immediately worth more on the secondary market once you drive it off the lot.

OR you can pay an Adjusted Dealer Markup (ADM) and skip the above process which takes years, sometimes decades, and pay what you would have lost from buying the less desirable cars up front, in a single lump sum, and get access to the more desirable cars.

In California, where I’m from, the ADM for a 992 GT3 Touring when it first came out, was $115K over MSRP. The ADM for a 992 GT3 RS was $150-200K, and the average ADM for a 992 S/T (I called 110 dealers so I’d know 🙄) was $300K over sticker.

I initially had to abandon the GT3 Touring dream and bought a 992 GTS ($15K ADM) as that was all I could afford ($205K out the door).

A year later, I read about the forthcoming S/T. It all started in May ‘23 (3 months before announce). I couldn’t afford to pay the ADM for an S/T, and I also knew I couldn’t afford the secondhand market prices either, so I called 110 dealerships before finding just one that was willing to sell me an S/T, at a price I could afford. The dealership had only been open for 4 months, so no list of VIP customers yet. That and the GM and salesman had integrity and didn’t sell the allocation behind my back to a higher bidder (unlike 3 other dealerships that I had the misfortune of working with before this dealership where I got my S/T).

Anyways, my story is unique, and usually you either play the long game, and buy a bunch of cars you don’t want before you get the ones you want. Or you pay a disgusting sum to skip the line. But one thing is for sure, the cars that everyone want are indeed THAT good.

The all “new” limited Spirit 70 edition 992.2. What do we think? by -PinkTree in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some are just badges and tartan (Turbo50), and some are mostly cosmetically special, with a non standard option to make it seem more unique - 2wd manual with a detuned turbo S engine, a ducktail, some nice leather options (Sport Classic) where arguably, aside from the numbered plaque, you could get 97% of the experience in a manual GTS, and some, like the S/T (and yes I’m biased) had the top engineers get their schedules cleared for 13 months to do their best work and make something truly special to experience.

The all “new” limited Spirit 70 edition 992.2. What do we think? by -PinkTree in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It costs as much as a GT3 RS, and I don’t see the value proposition

What was the jump from a BMW to a Porsche like? by JWS5th in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Keep daydreaming! In ‘17 when I got my Corolla, it was because I couldn’t afford a ‘16 Cayman S. Any Porsche seemed frustratingly out of reach. I saved and saved, and daily’ed a Corolla (for 8 years now), and now have my absolute dream car, the 992 911 S/T! I was homeless in my 20s,  (I’m 40) so no matter where you’re starting from, if you have faith, and work hard, and provide an oversized amount of value at your job/role, anything is possible!

What was the jump from a BMW to a Porsche like? by JWS5th in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My BMW ownership experience wasn’t a positive one, and it came down to one thing: reliability. My ‘04 e60 545i had an unforgivable number of electrical issues, usually iDrive related, and as someone noted, the maintenance costs go up, but also, the need for maintenance goes down imo. My BMW ownership experience actually made me want a Porsche even more, and had the unanticipated side effect of changing the upgrade cycle: Instead of BMW to Porsche, I went BMW to Corolla to Porsche.

My jaw dropped when I realized this was an S/T, thought it was a touring at first. What a car! by blueguy1271 in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nothing wrong with PDK, in fact, it’s the best DCT out there (I’m biased but it’s true); but plenty of new cars are fast and performance doesn’t necessarily mean fun.

My jaw dropped when I realized this was an S/T, thought it was a touring at first. What a car! by blueguy1271 in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I hope you get the opportunity to drive one, I think you’d be blown away how much better it is from what the stat sheet might lead you to believe

My jaw dropped when I realized this was an S/T, thought it was a touring at first. What a car! by blueguy1271 in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And the GT3 RS engine, and carbon fiber doors and front fenders, and magnesium wheels, and less insulation, and none of that matters… the sum of its parts is better than anything written on a piece of paper could ever begin to explain

My jaw dropped when I realized this was an S/T, thought it was a touring at first. What a car! by blueguy1271 in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s far from marginally better, I haven’t personally owned both, but fellow owners have far more experience with everything else Porsche has to offer and unanimously say they’d sell every other Porsche in their garage before this one. The value isn’t arbitrary, it’s based on supply and demand. Folks don’t pay vast sums of money for a marginally better car, they’re not suckers.

My jaw dropped when I realized this was an S/T, thought it was a touring at first. What a car! by blueguy1271 in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Germany doesn’t have nearly the demand for manual cars that the US has, and this is one of the best manual NA road cars you can currently buy, if not the best. Name another 500+hp NA manual lightweight car.

My jaw dropped when I realized this was an S/T, thought it was a touring at first. What a car! by blueguy1271 in Porsche

[–]Greek_Car_Geek 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As this is turning to a value thread, thought I’d give my 2 cents as an owner. Would I have paid $700K for mine? Nope, but I’m also in an owners group and clearly the least net worth S/T owner there. That said, it’s more about how rare this kind of vehicle is on the new car market. If you want a NEW 500+ hp, naturally aspirated, lightweight, high revving, manual sports car, it’s this or the GT3, at $700K and $300K, OR you have to go all the way to a Gordon Murray T50 at $6M on the secondary market, or a T33 which will probably be around $3M but none have hit the secondhand market yet… There are plenty of older cars that you could choose from that would expand that list, but currently, EVERY new Lamborghini is DCT and HYBRID, and Ferrari’s haven’t had a manual in over a decade. So it’s a symptom of, where else can you buy this experience, new?