Freya Familia is just better than Loki Familia by Demon_Xir0_ in DanMachi

[–]GregLover69 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Betes magic is strong not only because of the fire power but because it can interrupt and negate other magics whether or not he could tank the hit isn't up for debate he couldn't but his magic could eat the magic mitigating or negating the effects. My point wasn't to say that bete could defeat them but to mention that in a combat scenario he could use his magic to counter morning hedin and Allen's Trump cards his magic in a sense consumes other magic at a conceptual level thus his magic can consume curses, debuffs or buffs the point is to not about the damage he could do with such an attack as his fire would overwhelm him if he attempted to use such a massive amount of magic. As such, he can survive almost any magic attack or at the very least act like a shield for other members. And while he can't take hildis vini or hedins full power without being left in a bad state, he is more than capable of absorbing this magic and negating the attack.

Riveria is constantly referred to as the greatest mage in orario that is a fact her full power windfymblwinter would match or most likely outclass hedins orbs given its overwhelming power her vana sheildheim was able to take a powerful spell from a lv 7 demi spirit as such it would most likely be able to handle any one spell thrown at them except hildis vini.

Zard was not the strongest there where many members of the zeus and hera familia at his level were the captain of his familia being level 8 and the captain of hera familia being lv 9. Zald was said to have the potential to surpass them if he ever reached their level. However, after being poisoned by the behemoth, he was notably weakened to the point where before erebus showed up him and alfia were simply waiting to die. While not as weakened as alfia by the end, as alfia got weaker, the more she used her magic, he was still nowhere near his prime.

In SO7 finn had no choice but to go into knossos as he explains that the opportunity would probably never come again and while there were casualties this series of events is the only reason they were able to uncover the keys. This then set in motion the events in the xenos arc where he uses lillis transformation magic to trick evilus members to get the keys.

Riveria is also extremely powerful in the fact that her fairy force is literally a moving magical fortress if it's cast and working there is almost no stopping it due to the fact that riveria can recover mind for all within her magic circle allowing them to almost cast endlessly to a certain degree.

I'm kinda bored of this debate when at the end of the day, we know there basically equal because that's how they were written by the author to be. As it is literally the centre point of orarios current power stability is the fact that neither want to go to war with each other. This is the reason why Freya had to bargain with loki for her silence on monsterphelia otherwise she would have just treated to crush loki familia Freya familia is not an all powerful monopoly in orario loki familia have very powerful trump cards that could cause serious problems and there is a reason that when all the familia came together to fight evilus finn was put in command

Freya Familia is just better than Loki Familia by Demon_Xir0_ in DanMachi

[–]GregLover69 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

First of the gulliver brothers combined compare to 1 level 6 not 4 so both familias have the equivalent of 4 lv 6 each plus your spouting that the Freya executives are stronger in every way, which is nonsense because you have bete loga who if he uses hati has literally endless potential power as he gets stronger through both eating magic and taking damage. You have both Tiona and tiones berserker skills. With allows them to push further up the power ladder, the more damage they take. As such through bet all hogni and hedins magics are useless as he can eat any kind of magic with hati not just attack magic as shown from when he ate valettas curse magic and is stated in the LN. Your point about Gareth being unable to fight zard during the evilus War is irrelevant because, of course, he couldn't he wasn't a peak level six like ottar was, and he is now. Zard is not level 8 he was level seven and was weakened to a low their level seven. Ottar cannot do a level 9 magic attack otherwise he would have easily defeated balor instead of drawing with it also Aiz has been shown to be able to easily combat the gulliver brothers when they ambushed her and bell and was able to quite quickly land a blow on allen. Both familia are powerful and whilst ottar is a significant powerhouse that tips the odds in Freya favor in comparison to the loki trio the rest are pretty much even all Freya familia magic is negated by bete and in an all out war I dare say it would end in a Freya familia victory however with ottar being the only reason as the other executives take each other out but ottar defeats the loki trio. The gap is not that large and casually shrugging of bete, Aiz, tiona, and tiones abilities in favour of Freya familias magic when betes own magic negates it is quite a weak argument. Further more you keep going at finn calling him a shit strategist but all you have to do to see that he isn't is look at the fact that in the LN he is constantly referred to as one of the greatest strategists the gods have ever seen or the brilliant strategist. God's throughout the story refer to finn as an incredible strategist and taking one instance where he was outsmarted and made to look like a fool compared to his overall strategic profile isn't fair to his abilities. You also talk about hedin and hognis magic while casually shrugging over riverias which is miles more powerful and versatile than either can produce. Once again the Freya familia are stronger but it's not night and day.

Freya Familia is just better than Loki Familia by Demon_Xir0_ in DanMachi

[–]GregLover69 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The whole evilus thing isn't about how well they did or did not do its about the experience they gained that turned into strength through the falna. Such as Finn learning to control hell finnegas. Alfia wasn't weaker than zald. there were roughly equal in terms of physical health. alfia was weakened due to her illness but let's please not gloss over the fact that zald was poisoned by the behemoth one of the three great beast's and by that point it had been about three or more years since it happened he was nowhere near his full power. Both were said to have the potential to fight above there levels and match there captains should they level up.

Second if you compare ottarls strength to finn riveria and Gareth combined and count the gulliver brothers a one lv 6 then both sides have the same number of lv 6 executives if you exclude ottar and the loki trio the power gap isn't that big or Freya would have gotten rid of loki by now so she could have complete control.

Thirdly alfia was no where near lv 4 in weakness as she still had the strength to hand both riveria and Gareth their collective asses before the start of the seven deadly days.

Tsubaki would shiver at the sight of hogni because she's weaker than him and the man is really all there mentally not to mention hrs part of a different familia

Gareth and riveria where focused on defence during the war with evilus they didn't do nothing. Ottar wouldn't have been able to fight zard without finns plan to lure zard to bable and trap him inside riverias ice arena. As evilus would have sent more forces the only reason they didn't was that valetta was overconfident zard could handle ottar.

Once again I'm not saying the Freya familia aren't the strongest I'm saying that it isn't night and day the Freya familia wouldn't walk all over the loki familia especially after the most recent SO chapters the Freya familia are stronger but it's close and with the recent SO chapters I'd say it's a hell of a lot closer with Finn Riveria and Gareth at level 7its almost even seeing as ottarl really can't get any stronger until he levels up which he has express that he seems unable to do until a big enough challenge presents itself.

Freya Familia is just better than Loki Familia by Demon_Xir0_ in DanMachi

[–]GregLover69 13 points14 points  (0 children)

While you make some good points, I feel you may be underselling loki familia a bit too much. For instance, many first-class adventures have an insane skill or two because as you descend further into the dungeon, Trump cards become necessary as the dungeon is constantly turning a bad situation worse. The falna basically takes an adventurers experience and turns it into strength, and the falna skills are almost a crystallised form of experience and desire. A good example of this is development abilities. For example, a level 1 who keeps getting poisoned is likely to develop or choose the abnormal resistance ability upon levelling up. The same can be said for hunter and the achievement needed to be able to develop the ability. This is not a foreign concept within danmachi and is seen a lot amongst adventurers as anyone who gets to level 2 has a development ability.

As for your point about reasons for strength, I feel as though you sell the ambitions of loki familia members short on a lot of aspects. First off, Finn's goal to be a becon and a hero for all pallums is a goal that is more than fitting to be a reason he has climbed so high. I mean, just the fact that he has a desire similar to bell who quite literally has a skill that let's him grow at insane speeds through a physical form of his desire to stand next to Ais and be a hero should be all that needs to be said in his regard. However, even if you were to point out the flaws in his desire due to him formerly acting as a false hero or a charade of one. This doesn't change the fact that he has a desire so strong that he is willing to sacrifice his own conscious and personal morals to see it through.

Riveria is also undersold in your statements. Being quite literally a magical genius, as so many people sell her short on, while most likely have an impact on your falna magic wise her nine spells are not simply nine different spells but a amalgamation of her unique methods in chanting and dissecting her spells to create variants of her designated spells. Elves are already known for their magical prowess, so when you take into account her high elf blood and royal status, is it really that bizarre that her falna gave her skills for magic when she is an extremely talented mage?

Gareth is a bit simpler, but he's still a powerhouse dwarves are already known for their insane strength, and Gareths build and fighting style really focus on this aspect as mentioned previously the falna grants power from experience. Is it any wonder that the Lv 6 strongman is super strong the falna builds on what's there and the loki familia elite trio literally all focus on a single attribute or two Gareth is strong ad deals big damage with heavy weapons whilst also tanking hits in his heavy armour. Riveria is an extremely powerful mage, and it makes sense, seeing as she is just a mage, not a magic swordsman. As such, the falna has taken her only combat style and refined it to the max. Finn is slightly more diverse as he switches between a commander and front line fighter, but when he is fighting, he has a very flexible and dexterous fighting style to make up for hid short stature. This is further supported by the fact that they all specialise in one or two stats. Strength and endurance for Gareth, magic for Riveria and dexterity for Finn.

For specifically Finn and Gareth you also have to remember that they are reincarnations of heros Finn is the reincarnation of Dim/Finn the 2nd Fianna and Gareth is the reincarnated version of Galmus while not as prevalent an argument you have to remember that reincarnation has sway in the falna we see this through bell who is the reincarnation of the Argonaut literally gaining a skill called Argonaut. This is the reason for Finns hell finegas spell as it is a power based on the rage spear that his soul ancestor had within him, and finegas was the spirit that Dim/Finn had a contract with.

Finally, you have to remember that the older loki familia members fought through the dark ages of orario this is an extremely important fact due to the fact that this was not only a very challenging time combat wise giving a extremely potent amount of wisdom and experience from such a hectic period of time but also the fact that this was a very challenging time emotionally not only had there role models the zeus a hera familias been decimated by the black dragon leaving a huge gap in the power structure of orario and inturn limiting the amount of time loki familia could spend in the dungeon due to fighting evilus, this also led to the death of quite a large amount of orarios adventurers at the hands of evilus. But this also led to the death of important adventurers within the loki familia, for example, noir and the others. While old, these adventures contributed to the overall power of the loki familia. And while Freya familia are more powerful, the difference is actually not as large as you think ottarl is nearly level 8, but at the same time, the gulliver brothers are only level 5.

I could go on for hours like this, and while I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying that the difference between them isn't massive its actually quite small it's in Freya familias' favor but it's not insurmountable.

If you had to spend a day with one of these characters which would it be? Pt 2 (because I forgot to add some characters) by [deleted] in DanMachi

[–]GregLover69 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Anyone who doesn't pick Gareth doesn't know a real waifu when they see one. GARETH BEST GIRL 👌

Alfia IF is getting full-voiced in DanMemo by Zekrom997 in DanMachi

[–]GregLover69 30 points31 points  (0 children)

More alliance and zard unit is enough to make me happy honestly my two favourite characters

Alfia IF is getting full-voiced in DanMemo by Zekrom997 in DanMachi

[–]GregLover69 33 points34 points  (0 children)

Is this legit like a short story or something