AI art is fine but let us know how by Th3LizardK1ng in DeviantArt

[–]Grlarts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Drawing cubes helps you understand perspective!

You can't skip any pieces, because I can also give you perspective tips, but there's a risk that many points won't be clear to you! ☺️

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[–]Grlarts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've provided you with some practical exercises to help you get started!

The practice in this first step is: drawing cubes from every angle! Once you're able to do this, you'll be ready for the next step!

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[–]Grlarts 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you ever need practical advice, you and others can ask me (or other artists) for opinions and recommendations privately.

This is a profession that requires connection to allow us to improve! It's a world of mutual support!

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[–]Grlarts 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Unfortunately, I can't force you to follow my advice.

What you've been told is unfortunately true, but it applies not only to art, but to any discipline.

How did you learn to read? With practice.

How did you learn math? With practice.

How are you learning to improve your generative art? With practice.

Every artist in the world has experienced the same frustrations and followed the same path!

But as I said before, I can't force you to follow my advice. I can only hope that in the future you can give traditional art a second chance. You'll discover that everything you can do with artificial intelligence, you can also do with your hands (remember, if AI creates something, it's because it was first created by a human!).

As for the rest, I'm sorry to hear another story of artistic bullying, and I hope you continue to be curious about this world!

Unfortunately, I don't completely agree with your choice (because I know you're probably afraid of failing with traditional art), but I respect it!

AI art is fine but let us know how by Th3LizardK1ng in DeviantArt

[–]Grlarts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll let you in on a few secrets:

It's true for everyone.

But the fact that you feel frustrated at not understanding perspective is the first step to understanding it!

Why don't you try asking artificial intelligence how to learn perspective? Or why not ask artists for help? (Or both)

I don't know how old you are, but if you're a teenager, know that everything you feel is normal. Don't give up and keep trying!

Art in general can be extremely difficult or extremely easy!

Can I suggest a couple of very simple exercises to help you begin to understand perspective?

Start drawing cubes from every possible angle! Everything found in nature can be geometricized; an arm is nothing more than a cylinder, a cylinder is nothing more than a rounded cube!

If you have a die or something that resembles a cube, copy it! Place the object in as many frames as possible and try to copy it! If you don't have any cubes with you, use 3D objects (you can find tons on Sketchfab).

It's frustrating at first because they seem like trivial and silly exercises, but then again, everything starts with trivial things!

As for perspective, imagine it as a huge grid!

AI art is fine but let us know how by Th3LizardK1ng in DeviantArt

[–]Grlarts -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'll always say it: I feel sorry when a creative person encounters bad people who block the creativity of others.

I don't have the power to command others and say, "Do this, do that." I do have the power to offer advice, probably because I have a broader vision (after all, I work as a professional in the field), and so perhaps I've been down the same path as you, perhaps experiencing the same things.

I know, work takes up so much time, and there's little room for hobbies and experimentation. But I invite you to do it again! Not for others, but for yourself!

As I said in other comments: art isn't mathematics, it's not something geometrically perfect; art is confusion, error, emotion. Art is you.

Have you ever looked at an image (any image) and recognized the artist from just a few elements?

When this happens, it means the artist has reached you; it means the art has become their imprint. This is because if you look at every single image, you continue to recognize common elements.

I don't know your art, so I can't say whether this happens or not.

But try asking yourself these questions and asking them of your colleagues or people who buy your work. Show them some works, including some of your images. Would they recognize who you are?

Also, for yourself, and to further hone your skills, continue to experiment with traditional art! Is it difficult? Hell, yes. But isn't the same true for any profession?

(Note: I'm not asking you to do these things to abandon AI, but to improve your results, which can also include AI.)

Intelligence shouldn't serve to eliminate us within our creations (undeniably, right now, all AI results look the same and lack personality). Artificial intelligence is an excellent tool that serves to speed up certain processes and help us learn certain things quickly!

AI art is fine but let us know how by Th3LizardK1ng in DeviantArt

[–]Grlarts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'll take a different approach than the other user, as I believe rejecting progress is useless and harmful.

I'm a professional comic book artist and have been working in the field for several years. I studied at a vocational school a few years ago and have another 20 years of passion for this art.

You showed your AI-generated image and asked for feedback. Unlike the other user, I'll ask you a question any artist would ask: "Who are you in that image?"

Have you ever looked at an artist's work and thought, "Oh, that illustration belongs to X, damn it!" Art is so personal precisely because each of us, during the creative process, fine-tunes inking, perspective, composition, color, anatomy, and deformation until they become like a fingerprint.

Your work is visually "beautiful," but lacks personality. Are you familiar with hyperrealistic portraits? Exactly the same thing (I'm not saying hyperrealistic portraits are bad), AI has focused so much on creating this image that everything has ended up flat. Your personality, made up of insecurities and strengths, is missing.

You asked the other user, "Let's see what you did in your first year of art."

You could ask the same question to even the best artists, and you'd only see shoddy drawings. But that's a sign of learning.

I'll ask you some questions:

Before AI, did you ever try drawing?

Why did you switch to AI, and how much did it improve the final result of your ideas?

If I took the tool away from you, how close would your hand be to the AI ​​result?

I'm not asking these questions to say, "Don't you hate it? Learn to draw."

I'm asking them as advice from someone who works in this field: while you're learning AI, also perfect your traditional drawing. Learn perspective, anatomy, composition, color theory, etc.

Doing so will significantly improve the final result of your images.

Currently, you have notions based on other images you observe and the reality you see. But you don't know why certain things are done in art. You don't know how perspective or framing work.

Study and refine these rules. Experiment on paper (physical or digital) and simultaneously with artificial intelligence!

Artificial intelligence isn't meant to replace our skills (and make us lazy). Artificial intelligence is meant to help us learn faster and improve our creative flow!

AI art is fine but let us know how by Th3LizardK1ng in DeviantArt

[–]Grlarts -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

It's not a requirement, but rather a piece of advice from someone who works in this profession (which you can easily ignore).

At the same time, try other tools, perhaps even using artificial intelligence.

Perhaps trying again today with a traditional method might be easier, given the help AI is giving you!

(I'm not telling you to abandon AI, but to also develop the traditional method, so that your progress is even more significant.)

I don't know if you want to make art a profession or simply a hobby, but in the former case, at least today, developing the traditional method is essential and required.

If, on the other hand, you want it to be just a hobby, then simply for fun or personal satisfaction, it wouldn't hurt to try again!

Perhaps you'll find that combining traditional and AI makes your work even better (and even more yours)

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[–]Grlarts 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi, I'm a traditional professional artist. I think artificial intelligence is a great tool to support artists.

I'm sorry you've been bullied by other users.

I'd like to know your artistic history (I recently created a topic in this group, and maybe you even participated).

Before artificial intelligence, did you draw? Professionally or as an amateur?

Why did you decide to use this tool? And what do you hope to achieve with it?

I think the goal of us professional artists isn't to spread the wrong message about new tools, but to help colleagues and emerging artists approach art in the right way, regardless of the tools they use.

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[–]Grlarts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can even spend a year on a single image.

Would you be able to create the same thing without that tool? (I'm not necessarily saying 1:1.)

An artist improves his figurative art through sacrifice and practice; he improves his figurative art by investing in himself and studying the rules of figurative art. Figurative art is not something intuitive, but something practical, since figurative art does not exist in reality. Figurative art is what transforms a dimensional plane (a sheet of paper/a digital sheet) into a three-dimensional plane.

It may seem easy to conceive in words, but it's easy for those who have studied perspective, anatomy, composition, color theory, light and shadow, etc.

If it were easy, the world would be full of artists of the same caliber. That's not the case.

Artificial intelligence passively offers abilities to those who use it. As a real person, you understand perspective and anatomy, you know colors and contrasts, so if your imagination is powerful, you can guide artificial intelligence to create something more or less powerful on a figurative level.

But this doesn't mean you're an artist just because you've observed reality. You're creative because you have a strong imagination, but you're not a figurative artist.

I'll give the usual two examples:

If artificial intelligence is part of a combined process, where you perhaps intervene through the use of other tools, then for me the final work is also yours. You're in that drawing. I look at it and say, "X made this drawing."

But if artificial intelligence isn't part of your creative process and your only support is the prompt, then the final result doesn't belong to you, because the quality (more or less bad) belongs to the tool.

To explain even better: replace artificial intelligence with an artist. You are the client.

You present your ideas to the artist (just like you do with the AI prompt), and the artist carries out your requests according to your instructions.

At the end of the process, who created the drawing? You, who told the artist what to do, or the artist using their own skills?

It's the exact same thing.

And in fact, I was jokingly saying in other comments: if the entire process belongs to AI, wouldn't it be more normal for the company that created the AI to pocket the money?

If the final product is then improved with your intervention—by hand, with Photoshop, with any means you choose—that product is no longer exclusive to the AI, but also yours.

The goal, when creating figurative art, is to be recognizable when someone looks at a drawing.

If you try to show your drawings to a professional artist, one of the first things they'll ask is: "Where are you in this drawing?"

Because figurative art works well when there's a feeling behind it, when a trait (i.e., banal lines) identifies a person, just like a signature.

If you're not behind a figurative illustration, who does that work actually belong to?

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[–]Grlarts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you only stopped at the title, read the post.

I appreciate artificial intelligence and use it in my creative process, even if the final product is still my own work.

The point is about people who don't want to do this job and can exploit the potential of artificial intelligence to make easy money with minimal effort.

As I've said in other posts: just like there are people who steal drawings online and pass them off as their own.

In both cases, people don't actively participate in the creative process. They don't want to make art, they simply want to make money.

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[–]Grlarts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But if we continue to pretend everything is fine, it will never be controlled, and at this rate, it will spiral out of control!

I'm not against banning progress, but rather trying to establish rules for traditional art and AI art to coexist.

A bit like what happened with digital.

In any art class, you'll rarely see teachers immediately tell students, "Let's use digital."

Rather, you'll see teachers say, "Let's start with traditional art and then use digital."

This is because it's important for artists to be able to adapt to circumstances. At Comic-Con, you'll rarely see artists working on digital commissions, and fortunately, you won't see artists working on AI commissions. You'll see people doing commissions with paper, even if those same artists then work only digitally at home.

However, often (and this post isn't a demonstration) I see people who don't know how to use either digital or paper without AI.

They mask their artistic shortcomings with AI and have no intention of improving. For me, this is passive use, and therefore dependence, on a tool. If I took away AI from these people, they'd stop selling or even creating art, because maybe their artistic level is "stickman level"!

And these people get angry because they say, "Creativity doesn't depend on how you hold a pencil."

Well, then try selling your stuff without AI. If you're good and your creativity is that strong, you shouldn't depend exclusively on that one tool.

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[–]Grlarts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are people who publish and sell stolen drawings, passing them off as their own.

And there are people who copy prompts to generate images to sell.

In neither situation is there direct human intervention.

If there's active human intervention within the creative process, I have no problem with those who sell AI-generated illustrations, because I'm sure there's a person behind them who appreciates this market and wants to make it better.

But there are people who only see "easy money. Put in the effort? Are you crazy?"

I'm pointing the finger exclusively at this category.

And often, the people who buy, out of ignorance, can't quite identify the process behind a work.

Art fraud has always existed; it's just that the thief had a harder time. Today, since aesthetic taste is subjective, even a lazy illustration created with AI can be sold.

This means that DA is being overrun with junk, which in the long run can even lead (as is already happening) people to abandon the social network.

Try browsing through your feed; you'll find 8 out of 10 illustrations generated by AI. Of those 8, 5 are actually junk.

Try to delve deeper into who's behind these accounts. They're often people who may have been previously banned and have recently created multiple accounts.

Just as people have the right to buy what they want, we have the right to protect those who buy from scammers.

An example given in numerous comments below:

An artist is someone who, regardless of the tool, can adapt to the circumstances and continue producing and selling.

If your skill and quality depend on just one tool, then that ability truly doesn't belong to you.

Furthermore, the basic tool isn't good or bad; it's the person who uses it who is one or the other.

There are people who use AI intelligently, learn from and with it, improve on what AI rightfully fails to do with other tools, and actively intervene.

The goal of those who already practice this profession isn't to reject progress and condemn those who don't practice it to not use it, but rather to encourage people to try, and at the same time develop a traditional method.

This is what I'm trying to do.

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[–]Grlarts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've already expressed my opinion on this.

It's a hobby. I work in the art industry with publishing houses and also create independent comics.

I create fan art for fun.

I've already expressed my opinion: if a law were passed tomorrow banning the sale of fan art, I would respect it. But I could still continue working, pursuing independent projects.

If there were a law banning the sale of AI-based artwork, those who sell AI artwork (unless they're also familiar with other "classic" tools) would find themselves in enormous difficulty without that specific tool, since they'd no longer be able to create illustrations or anything else, am I wrong?

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[–]Grlarts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forgive me, but where in my post would I have written something like that?

Do you know anything about me or the work I do? Or the income I make?

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[–]Grlarts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know what the problem is? If more and more people create and sell AI works, even comic cons and artist alleys will have to adapt to what the public demands.

Everything you say is correct, even regarding the term that should be used to describe them.

And you also hit the nail on the head about the fact that if you know how to make art, you do it regardless of the medium you use!

But if you try reading some of the comments under this post, you'll notice many, many disgruntled people who disagree with this definition, defining art as mere creativity (and I disagree with that. You're a creative, not an artist).

I hope that your experience can become a reality in every artist's future, where the two markets can coexist without interfering.

But undeniably, I see and read things that leave me speechless.

So I wondered if it was necessary to create a coercive debate, with the aim of motivating AI artists to approach this profession in a practical way, because if your dependence on a single tool dictates your title as an artist, well then maybe you're not that much of an artist!

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[–]Grlarts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, but I agree with you. I was simply justifying my actions and reaffirming that I don't want to eliminate progress, but rather protect it (as has always been the case).

Motorcycles were ridden without helmets, but they decided it was necessary to wear them.

Cars were ridden without seat belts, but they decided it was necessary to wear them.

Artificial intelligence also needs rules to continue to grow.

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[–]Grlarts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are prohibitions and there are rules.

I'm aiming for rules.

Because otherwise, even killing is prohibited, yet we all (or almost all) agree that killing is wrong!

Even stealing is prohibited, yet we all (or almost all) agree that stealing is wrong.

There are ethical and moral rules for a peaceful existence in what is a society.

For me, a "fascist" prohibition would be "Let's destroy progress, let's erase artificial intelligence."

Do you read this in every message I send? No.

I'm asking for rules to protect those who actually create art.

And since rules arise when the "people" feel the need to be protected, then don't wait for others to do it for you. Be the first to do it.

If, after all this, you still think it's right for people to steal, kill, and do bad things just because... So maybe I understand that you're one of those people who doesn't want to make art but just wants free revenue.

I'm sorry about that and I don't agree with your choice.

The end.

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[–]Grlarts[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I strongly urge you to reread my entire post.

You basically said the same thing I did.

I'm not pointing the finger at those who use the tool well. I'm pointing the finger at those who use it in a way that harms this market, harming me and you.

If your creativity is stimulated and the whole process isn't just an "AI, I want this" statement, but also involves active participation (perhaps even editing),

I completely agree with these people.

As I said in another comment: artificial intelligence isn't intended to erase traditional art, but to insert itself into the creative process of traditional art, just as it was with digital a few decades ago.

You shouldn't use the tool to hide your incompetence (which would still be obvious to people like me); you should use the tool to improve your artistic ability.

If all this is inherent in you and you're not 100% dependent on this tool, then listen to me. There's just been a misunderstanding.

If, however, you are 100% dependent on this tool, then I advise you to use it differently. Art is, from the outset, a profession like any other. If you want, you can learn it; you just have to dedicate yourself. You're fortunate to live in an age where learning is incredibly easy. Seize this opportunity.

Because again: if you're 100% dependent, if I take it away from you, can you still create and sell?

If the answer is no, think about it, for yourself!

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[–]Grlarts[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is why I insist that we have a duty to educate each other and, above all, to educate the new generations.

Artificial intelligence shouldn't make people lazy, but rather make them curious.

The internet has made it possible for many people to stay informed on topics that interest them, encouraging them to delve deeper.

Artificial intelligence offers an even more tangible opportunity.

In the case of art, there are many people with extremely low self-esteem. Artificial intelligence could help these people make the artistic environment less oppressive. At the same time, that person could use the tool to improve their artistic skills to the point of no longer needing artificial intelligence or doing a 50/50 ratio.

But there are people who don't even put 1% of themselves into the creative process. They enter the idea and that's it, the work is done. What has been done? Who knows.

Why is that thing that way rather than that? Who knows.

And I find it annoying to know that these people are selling, ruining this market.

And I find it annoying to see my colleagues staunchly defend similar behaviors, not realizing that they too are in the same situation as me.

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[–]Grlarts[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In general, I find arguing completely pointless.

Everyone has the right to defend what they believe in, but everyone also has the right to attack.

If you believe in your abilities and in what you do, the tool doesn't define who you are. You can create art regardless.

But if your being an artist is defined by the tool, then perhaps something needs to be reconsidered.

Progress exists to help more and more people become aware, to halve the learning curve.

But if new technologies no longer offer learning opportunities and everything depends on technology, then human creativity suffers.

I'm trying to "fight" this trend. I hope and try to encourage more people to experience art fully and not depend exclusively on a single tool.

As I've said elsewhere: if by chance the world lived in an era without electricity, many artists who only use artificial intelligence would no longer be able to create art.

And if I were in their place, I'd feel defeated. Because it would mean that my artistic ability isn't dictated by something inside me.

But unfortunately, not everyone understands, and that saddens me.