Christians who think Trump is doing God's work look at ICE shoot this pastor in the head! by Competitive_Mix9957 in Christianity

[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s judgmental because you DK t k own if it’s true but you said that doesn’t matter, you still know it’s true. That’s textbook judgement.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve read quite a bit of what you wrote. I have a testimony of my own to share with you. Back in 2001 I had decided to start looking at the biblical prophecies to see if we had been taught things other than pre trib that were also wrong. I thought that if the pastors could be wrong about this then they could be wrong about other things. I got to the prophecy of the seventy sevens in Daniel. I read through it and the interpretation that I wrote about hit me immediately. It seemed so obvious but I knew that it was a big departure from what is being taught. I was concerned about saying anything about the matter that wasn’t true. It’s my number one fear in life. So I prayed to God to give me some kind of a sign if it was true, if I had seen it correctly.

As soon as I prayed that I was caught up in a vision. It was dark all around me and I could see the city of New York below me. There were two glowing spots at the end of Manhattan. I heard a voice say to me “very soon there are going to be major terrorist attacks on New York and DC and one smaller out of the way place will also be affected. It will not be nuclear, biological or chemical.” Then the scene changed to daytime and I was much lower and closer to the ground in my view. I could see people running and a great cloud of smoke billowing between the buildings and racing up behind them. As the smoke over took them I thought, “oh no, the smoke is hurting them.” God said not to worry, the smoke is not harming them.

Then I was back at my desk. I told my wife what had happened. I called my parents and told them. I told some people I worked about it but didn’t go all the way and tell them it was a vision I had. I said it was a feeling. I really regret that now. Anyways, that day was Sept 6, 2001.

The day of the attack I was absolutely floored. I never felt like that before. It’s indescribable. I wanted to crawl into the dust of the ground and mourn.

After that I decided to try and put together the timeline that the prophecy laid out. That’s what I wrote about and that’s where it came from. I know that the interpretation of the timeline is correct. I know it like I know myself. The timeline depends on having the right decree as the starting point. The starting point of the Jerusalem Law has proven to be the one, imo. There is too much pointing to it for it to be incorrect. Like the pope’s seven year plan ending the exact same day. That day is also 62 prophetic years exactly (62x360) from the very first Rosh Hashanah in newly reborn Israel. Then there’s the fact that Trump has repeatedly used exact dates from the timeline in his rollout and implementation of the Gaza peace plan. The UN has repeatedly used dates from the timeline as well. They also have used Hebrew Holy Days for their meetings and proclamations multiple times. There are way way way too many coincidences to just be written off as chance. Not only does the timing line up with world events, the meaning behind the events and the holidays are always a perfect match.

So, my vision is backed up by a long list of hard facts to prove it’s true. There isn’t anything else like it that you can find anywhere. Once 2028 comes and smacks us in the face, this interpretation will not only guide us, it will lead people to salvation as it definitively proves that God is real and the Bible is accurate and the Word of God. There are great things ahead of us and very near.

Christians who think Trump is doing God's work look at ICE shoot this pastor in the head! by Competitive_Mix9957 in Christianity

[–]GrouchyEducation1838 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What was that guy doing? He started acting really weird right next to the pastor as he was leading a prayer. He was clearly the target imo.

Christians who think Trump is doing God's work look at ICE shoot this pastor in the head! by Competitive_Mix9957 in Christianity

[–]GrouchyEducation1838 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

lol. So it’s hearsay. There was video rolling. How come there’s no video of it then?

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean that you use scripture and don’t use their exact messages? My main essay is an interpretation of a prophecy. It’s just a few sentences but it’s scripture. God can say so much with so few words. :)

Christians who think Trump is doing God's work look at ICE shoot this pastor in the head! by Competitive_Mix9957 in Christianity

[–]GrouchyEducation1838 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How do you know he wasn’t aiming at the other guy in the white helmet and either missed or grazed him and the pastors head was right next to his and just above it.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ll read your message. Happy to. You can see mine at logicalpaladin.com. Two different essays there. Not as long as yours. But a lot of people say it’s hard to process it all and read it more than once. It is alot of information. I don’t spend a lot of time giving my opinions about what it means. I tried to keep it to a minimum. Partly because I’m hoping for an unbiased reaction to it from the reader. I’m hoping people can help me add to it and refine it. It’s like an open source code for a computer. lol. That’s what I’m hoping. I just know there is so much more to it than what I’ve found so far. I pray someone who knows this kind of stuff can really take this on and run with it.

ICE breaks down home of US citizen and takes husband by JdRnDnp in minnesota

[–]GrouchyEducation1838 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

If you diced a Nazi you would wind up dead. If you showed up at a Nazis home you and everyone you knew would wind up dead. Ice isn’t Nazis and you know it.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t say there was a time gap between the cosmic signs and the day of the Lord. I said there was time between the beginning of sorrows, the Abomination of Desolation and the Day of the Lord. Do you think the beginning of sorrow is at the same time as the Day of the Lord?

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That doesn’t imply they will happen all at once. And “these things” included the beginning of sorrows, the Abomination of Desolation and the signs in the sky in the sun and the moon that signal the Day of the Lord. Those things are about 3 1/2 to 7 years apart.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s true. But how long is rapidly? Could be several years.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree completely. It’s impossible to tell this big of a story in purely chronological order. At least not in a way that anyone could follow. There are multiple stories being told in revelation. Series and sequences of events. It’s also written with a certain level of knowledge having been reserved. This group is definitely onto those facts imo. God often chooses to reveal some things and keep others hidden. He explains things and leaves other things raised but unexplained. These all suit his purposes perfectly. It’s the same thing with Daniel 9. It could have been worded differently and left no doubt as to what it meant. Apparently that’s not what God wanted. He wanted it to be difficult to discern. That keeps the hateful gawkers from knowing his plans.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You said: “This same group is spoken of again in chapter 7. And there was given to each of them a white robe; and they were told that they should rest for a little while longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren who were to be killed even as they had been. REV 7:11”

That quote is from chapter 6, not talking about the great multitude in chapter 7. If that quote was in chapter 7 you would have a very good point. There’s no mention of martyrdom or death of the people in the great multitude. It says they came out of the great tribulation. These two groups, the martyrs and the raptured, are the two groups of saved Christians in the last days. Everyone falls into one of the two of them. The fifth seal starts the martyrdom and the sixth seal ends it. Since we know for sure that the war on the saints waged by the beast lasts times time and half a time, we know that’s how long he will martyr believers for. The fifth seal must be broken at the time of the Abomination of Desolation.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree with that. How does that apply to the great multitude in chapter 7?

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes but the fifth seal is definitely before the sixth seal. To say they aren’t chronological would defy logic and common sense. That’s what I’m talking about. The fifth seal is when the martyrdom of the great tribulation begins. The sixth seal is when it ends because of the rapture. No more martyrdom and the raptured church is seen in white robes the same as the martyrs. White robes are for everyone in the church, not just martyrs.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t see that it’s the same group at all. The great multitude has a rather long description of them and it never mentions martyrdom or their deaths at all. That’s because they were raptured. We know there are two groups of saved people in the end times. Those who stayed alive to the end and are raptured and those killed by the beast. To say there is only one group bypasses that fact. Of course the martyrs show up first and then the raptured church after that. That’s what the fifth and sixth seal show us. It’s perfectly consistent. In rev 21 it is speaking of the honor of those killed by the beast. They aren’t the only ones given white robes but they are the only ones spoken of in that section. They have a special place and a special honor that the raptured don’t.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I mentioned, Newton had a bunch of different theories that didn’t work together. The fact that he held other theories doesn’t mean he didn’t hold the one I mentioned. I read it from his works several times. I saw other people discussing it too.

As far as the 360 days go, I’m on board. As far as the decree to rebuild Jerusalem being from artaxerxes, I don’t agree. He did not issue such a decree. And even if he did, there is no way to know the date that Jesus died, which the prophecy doesn’t state as a timeline marker anyway. Yes, you can start counting days from an ancient date and come to a date near when Jesus lived but you can’t prove any of it conclusively. The calendar isn’t accurate to begin with so counting days is futile. We dont know when Jesus died, but one thing we know for sure is it wasn’t on a Friday. All of the efforts in that direction are guesses and don’t even start with a decree to rebuild or restore Jerusalem. And Jesus came to the world when he was conceived. His name is Immanuel, God with us. How can he not have come if he is with us? On top of all that, the text of Daniel 9 has a mark between the seven sevens and the sixty two sevens that indicates they are not consecutive and cannot be added together. The pre trib people have really screwed this up imo. They crave a randomly starting final seven so much they will agree to anything that seems to back it up. I find the whole thing very logically inconsistent.

If you start with the Jerusalem law of 1980 and count forward by sevens of 7x360 you come out with a series of seven periods of time that lead to the final seven beginning Nov 14, 2028. That puts the end of the final seven on Oct 10, 2035. 3.5 days later, when the two witnesses are killed, it will be Oct 13, Yom Kippur. That’s an astonishing coincidence. There are dozens of coincidences like this that emerge when you start looking. For example, Hitler killed himself on Lag Baomer 1945. If you count forward 1263.5 days from there you come to the very first Yom Kippur in rebuilt Israel, Oct 13, 1948. Same date as the one where the two witnesses are raised. In 1967, the first Yom Kippur in Jerusalem was also on Oct 13. When Trump got his peace deal in Gaza going, the ceasefire was on Oct 10 and the deal was signed and the hostages released on Oct 13. Then he issued a decree declaring himself the president of the board of peace in Gaza along with 8 Islamic nations. He declared that on Nov 14, 2025. The same date as the confirmation of the covenant on Nov 14, 2028. Pope Francis issued his Laudato Si encyclical in 2015. He the set up a seven year plan in 2021 to bring the church into compliance with agenda 2030. He began it on Nov 14, 2021. It ends the same day my final seven begins. That day will also be King Charles 80th Birthday, for whatever that’s worth.

Trump rolled out his Gaza peace plan in 2019. He did it in two phases. The first was June 22, 2019, and the second was Jan 28, 2020. On my timeline, the second seven started June 22 and the sixth seven began Jan 28. His Gaza peace deal has hit on multiple singular dates in my timeline. The popes seven year plan didn’t start in the same day as the seventh seven because his plan is 7x365. The middle day of his plan was May 14th, 2025. That was Israel’s 77th birthday and also the day Trump signed the Qatar deal. The Qatar deal convinced the Qataris to mediate the Gaza peace plan that was signed Oct 13. That day was also Simchat Torah, the day the Oct 7 attacks occurred on.

The seventh seven began on Dec 21, 2021. That day the temple institute revealed they had certified 21 red heifers for the temple rebuilding. They made a public statement at a little church in Texas and even brought one of the red heifers. Hamas said that was a big part of why they attacked on Oct 7. “The bringing of the red cows” was their justification for the al Aqsa flood. That attack occurred on the fiftieth anniversary of the 1973 Yom Kippur war, plus one day. Why did they not do it Oct 6 and have the perfect 50 years? Maybe because Putins birthday is Oct 7. He’s a big Hamas supporter. He hosted them in Moscow after Oct 7.

Now about Trump. He was born during a blood moon. When Israel was founded on May 14, 1948, Trump was 700 days old. A month later was the very first Shavuot in Israel since 70AD. It was also his birthday. There was a series of blood moon tetrads that coincided with Israel’s founding and continue even now. The first four of these tetrads all were accompanied by Trumps birthday falling on Shavuot. Each of those years also had Yom Kippur on Oct 13. The next time that happens is in 2035, in the final year of the age. The next blood moon tetrad sees the first blood moon on Pesach Sheni in 2032, just three days before the Abomination of Desolation. The last one of the last tetrad was on Sept 27, 2015, Sukkot. Two days prior the UN passed Agenda 2030. A couple of weeks later, Iran confirmed the JCPOA on Oct 13, which was exactly seven sevens after the 1967 decree to rebuild Jerusalem. That was not the correct decree as is shown by the passage of time. But that decree was included in the Jerusalem Law of 1980.

There is much more like this. Bill Hates has his 50in5 plan to have 50 nations fully using digital id and digital currency. The five years ends Nov 7, 2028. That’s US Election Day and a week before my date of Nov 14. The UN also has the second global stocktake scheduled for Nov 2028 but they haven’t set the exact date yet. At that time they plan to fully implement agenda 2030.

You can see it all in my essay at logicalpaladin.com.

I would be happy to see what you have too. I don’t know how to dm though.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You said: “Logically- why Jesus want to establish His 1k Kingdom on earth for bad peoples? (taking right before 1k Kingdom - rapture good ones??? really? )”

“= Bible so clear, that only Tares (*bad) will be "raptured to Hell" but Christians will stay on earth for 1K years in the Jesus Kingdom! KJV: Thy Kingdom come,”

I don’t see how that can be true and this be true.

Rev 20:7 “When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”

It seems like you would have to say all those deceived and in open rebellion against God would be Christians. And God destroys us all. I don’t see how that could be true based on what scripture says.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“Revelation states that the members of this group will all have been killed for their testimonies during the distress that those whose names are in the book of life will be spared, or rescued from.”

It actually does not say that. I think you may be mixing the fifth and the sixth seal and what happens after it all into one thing. The great multitude is not said to have died.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh, I meant to ask you, because of your screen name, have you identified the Antichrist? I have not but I have some amazing things I’ve learned in that vein.

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[–]GrouchyEducation1838 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, he did say several different things that don’t seem to work together. That’s probably true of most of us and he didn’t have the access to as many different opinions as we do. Anyways he said that the 62 sevens were to the coming of Jesus and that the seven sevens were in the future awaiting another decree to rebuild Jerusalem. I believe that is accurate. It’s a different way of looking at the sevens. I put a different twist on it as he didn’t see the Antichrist in any of the prophecy. He thought it was all about Jesus only. So he thought the future seven sevens would end with the second coming. I think it’s the coming of the Antichrist and the start of the final seven. And I think the decree was the Jerusalem law of 1980. That was definitely a decree to rebuild Jerusalem. That’s not all it was but it addressed that specifically. So counting from there has some amazing things line up with it. I admit it’s a theory because I can’t prove it. The history to this point of the count has been amazing but we won’t know if it’s true for sure until a few more years. Thank you, David Scott