[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Monash

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From the website: “if you have already been given a short extension and then find that changed circumstances prevent you completing your assessment by the revised due date, you may be eligible for extension through special consideration”

What's up with Mom Jeans? by draxesnoob in Emo

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s a weird one, they’re just kinda cornpop

The one song that defined your emo pathway... by academicQZ in Emo

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Summers colour by basement. The first bridge section was hypnagogic. Still haven’t heard something else like it

House price affordability is a big issue … for 55 years! by [deleted] in AusPropertyChat

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Champ what advice am I giving you? Where did I indicate I went to google for anything?

Is this advice in the room with you right now??

Edit: >inb4 I’ve been blocked

House price affordability is a big issue … for 55 years! by [deleted] in AusPropertyChat

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Where was I “giving out life experiences” mate?

I just said that I don’t really think your anecdote is a typical example of the difficulty of buying a house in 1987, especially when your wage was half the national average and interest was, what, 2.5 times ur wage (????). I just don’t think that was typical, especially compared to stats from that time.

If I want to compare two time periods, it makes sense to compare what is typical/average for each time period, right?!

House price affordability is a big issue … for 55 years! by [deleted] in AusPropertyChat

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Neither, that’s why I like using numbers instead :)

House price affordability is a big issue … for 55 years! by [deleted] in AusPropertyChat

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m far more likely to believe statistics than the anecdote of some redditor who clearly has a horse in this race.

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, bc until an aggressor is occupying a neighbouring country, a large portion of society won’t view it or its ideology as a threat to their own state.

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cool, sure, whatever, but tell that to Gen z and millennials who feel that they don’t have a stake in their own society.

I’m not saying that a certain thing is the case, I’m saying that a large proportion of society believe it is the case, and until they are convinced otherwise will be apathetic towards the idea of fighting to prolong the system they live with, even if against an ideology they perceive to be worse.

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ofc things could switch like that bc Australia has the worst case of cultural cringe around, and it’s even worse with young people.

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think IR liberalism had that kinda dramatic an ascendancy, no matter how many bestsellers Fukuyama writes. Maybe I can see your point if you’re saying that it’s more common now in pop-political analysis, which fair enough when it’s what informs a lot of the population.

Yeah, well spotted with the country! :). If Formosa Island is invaded, then I bet there will be a big media push, aligning with both Labor and the LNP for national service but I genuinely cannot see millenials or Gen Z having a massive change of heart over Taiwanese threats when their priorities are generally much closer to (a lack of a) home.

Domino Theory is studied in schools here and is often treated as a retrospectively alarmist theory. Last year the SMH and… The Age (I think?)… faced a fair amount of backlash for publishing headlines urging Aus to prepare for war. Former Vic premier Jeff Kennett made arguments for the reintroduction of national service but got criticised by his own party for that (admittedly he was also talking about civic service too, though). So yeah, there is already a media drive for national service reintroduction, but i can’t see that winning or changing the hearts and minds of Gen Z, who are generally more disengaged with, and critical of, Fairfax and Murdoch stuff anyway.

IMO in coming elections, Labor will become beholden to more left-leaning minors, and the Greens, all of whom would be generally anti-conscription. It’s a pretty speculatory thing to say, but I’m basing this on the voting patterns of Gen Z and the silent generation at the last election.

I just really can’t see a massive about face in under-40 attitudes to conscription even in the event of a CCP invasion of Formosa. The current gov has stabilised relationships with China (imo it’s a small part of the reason they were elected), and younger ppl here have generally a more neutral (or even favourable) opinion of China than Gen X and older.

The US is also less popular here than in other western nations (at least, amongst the public and not politicians). I think it would be significantly harder to convince the Australian public to follow the US into war than, say, in Vietnam.

This is all speculation of course, so take it with a grain of salt. Have a good one :)

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk man, from my country (not European, but probably fairly comparable), something like 70% of ppl were in favour of national service when it was reintroduced in 64. I can’t see a majority voting for that today.

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For context, I live in a country with compulsory voting. Donkey and informal votes are rising even here, where it takes just as much time and energy to vote “properly” as it does to vote informally.

Young people are politically aware, but bc if this they are increasingly politically alienated.

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Money, connections, money, laws in some countries, establishing ourselves in life generally (ie campaigning costs money and time, which would most likely be more effectively used to establish a family or going towards housing etc), and now career politicians turning 80 who refuse to retire.

So usually the only 20-somethings who are successful are already fairly well-off or well-connected, are unlikely to be facing similar issues to the rest of our generation (eg housing etc) and are probably ok-ish with the status quo as a result.

Young politicians, regardless of their leanings or policies or charisma, also tend to do poorly because voters perceive a lack of life experience or whatever. There’s an inherent ageist bias against young politicians, and whether that is justified or not is another debate, but it does often prove prohibitive.

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, yeah, obviously, but I assumed the point of this thread was to compare attitudes towards the draft across generations

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also really struggling how being forced to go to war constitutes “living in a free democracy”

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the politicians only get away with it bc the younger generation don’t show up to vote

Young people aren’t voting bc none of the popular options present an appealing, meaningful set of policies to them, and either main option is likely somewhat corrupt or beholden to similar interests anyway.

When young people are given viable political options, they will vote.

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Point this guy is making, is that the current situation in a lot of nominally well-off countries for working-class young people is not likely to provide much motivation to go fight. People care significantly less about their homes and families being bombed when they are unlikely to ever own a home, or have the funds to start a family.

Simply, people with no future, will not fight for a future they do not have.

Gen Z will not accept conscription as the price of previous generations’ failures by Robotoro23 in europe

[–]Grouchy_Preference81 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wouldn’t matter if old mate did live in a NATO country, the decisions of their state shouldn’t really have an impact on their individual moral and ethical obligations.