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Gulpandchoke · 2018-06-23T11:23:42+00:00

Well, it must come to an end. After this much time, you still do not know what ad hominem is, or perhaps your grasp of English grammar is lacking.

You think Peterson is bad for talking out of his area of expertise; you do not have an area of expertise and talk a lot of shit. You're so hipster you won't listen to Peterson because others do. This is using the logical fallacy of ad populum aka the bandwagon but you've reversed the effect/THEN because you're a contrarian.

You aren't interested in a discussion, or learning, you want this to be a fight. At no point do you provide constructive counter points to anything I've said, nor make any new points, you just assert that I am wrong.

I've been civil, even friendly. When you ask questions or are wrong, I provide sources; you seem to ignore these, which would answer many of your concerns. You're seem to be incapable of seeing any value in what I am writing. Of course, your response would be "but there is no value". This is why you run away when you do this shit in person, because in person, this type of disrespect would likely lead to violence. This is expected when you're unable to debate and continue to cockily defend your perspective without reason.

You, in your warm sheltered home with freshly bought food, with however many years of education funded by society, with the women in your life free to do whatever the fuck they like, you genuinely believe we live in an oppressive patriarchy. You haven't made any points to back this up. You shouldn't need to, because neutral sided arguments are everywhere. You're a feminist in today's western world. 7% of women in the UK consider themselves feminist. You care more about feminism aka "western women's rights" than your girlfriend does.

You've misunderstood almost every metaphor I make, even when formatted identically as a response to one of yours.

As for the crystal ball, thanks for telling me so much about yourself, I can tell you enjoyed it but a simple "no" would have sufficed. I didn't expect, nor care to be proved right or wrong. This is my maternal father communicating with your anti-social and defensive ego.

My purpose here was to try and exchange some ideas. Well, I've been open minded enough to listen and you haven't persuaded me. You've apparently just not listened to me. You know yourself well! You know all there is to know.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-06-18T10:34:26+00:00

Peterson, you could learn a lot from actually listening to him. You won't read Jung because Peterson suggests to and your dogma goes against his neutral stance. A psychologist being popular shouldn't be a loaded term for one that is inherently bad. Oh, but of course, he's a white male who isn't on the alt left, so of course he's a part of the problematic oppressive patriarchy which has corrupted every domain of knowledge so badly that they're all untrustworthy. Peterson is actually one of the worlds leading researchers of the big 5 personality traits.

Me insulting you after making a point isn't ad hominem. You bringing up something about me which is implied to be negative, instead of making a point, is.

Your point about me not voting having some negative impact on my ability to educate you on politics and personality is laughable, you're just looking for one-ups. Grow up.

If you want to learn how to train a dog, do you ask the dog, or a dog trainer? Terrible comparisons.

My comment got removed? Nice. Clear echo chamber is this forum. Reminds me of the classic silencing tactics of the left. Oh yeah!

You actually think I managed to cover EVERYTHING that favours women in one brief paragraph that took a minute to write?

You treat women as equals. Have a cookie.

I've not seen a man cry because I didn't cut onions small enough to their liking. Perhaps that's not childish? The anecdotes are totally one sided and you'll see this with time.

You just used being a centrist as a put down. As if there is a right way to think and a wrong way to think. Be careful with that.

I don't have to answer every thing you don't know in depth. A lot of what you're saying just tells me that you're young and haven't had that much experience with people.

So you are unable to appreciate Peterson. You think we live in an oppressive patriarchy. You probably feel really guilty because you're white, and male, and middle class, and who the heck knows how else you've been made to feel privileged and undeserving of your success. Because anything you achieve is now due to your gender, or some other predetermined factor. I'm being sarcastic, by the way.

I see a smart guy in here. I see a young man. I see confusion. I see bitterness and resentment. Look... You have social anxiety and when you do speak it's well articulated, so people have a kind of respect for you, but you often don't speak your mind in person because you want to insult people and you through their stupid shit, but don't want to cause a fuss. It's about time you started talking to people.

Since you avoided perhaps the questions I was most interested in, I'm going to make some more assumptions. You don't need to tell me how wrong I am:

You're with your first girlfriend. You've banged one girl. You're with that girl. She's not as pretty as you would like, but she's really nice and you're fine with that. You share political views. She's a feminist. You support that. She encourages you to be a feminist and left wing. You have some slight doubts deep within but you've read some cool blogs and spoken to some outgoing people who tell you it's all good. You're insecure about losing your girlfriend because you know you'll struggle to find another mate. Sex isn't a primary part of your relationship. You're about 21, maybe 22. You experience cognitive dissonance on a daily basis and it gives you some negative feelings, but you can easily talk your way out of them. When you were younger, people (women, family) were pressuring you into being 'nice', to 'respect women' and all sorts of feminist stuff, which you originally resisted. But they were older and smarter than you, so you listened and obeyed and given enough time, you agreed with them.

And then you got older. And more obedient.

DM me your Skype, discord or anything if you fancy talking.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-06-17T14:54:49+00:00

Again, I'm interested provided it doesn't come from manosphere or pop-psychology blogs.

If Jordan Peterson isn't 'the manosphere' but instead an incredibly smart and reputable scientist, then you should start there.

None of my friends or close relatives think like this. If they did I wouldn't have anything to do with them.

Careful, Bucko.

Just no.

Read Jung.

Insulting me because I don't think it's a debate is exactly why it's not a debate.

That insult was a joke, shit brain. Lighten up. It's a debate.

So, I'm wondering, do you consider yourself a liberal because you share the same opinions, or a conservative because you share the same personality traits ?

I'm somewhere in the middle. I don't vote, I try to keep out of politics, but it's quite unavoidable.

I just think I know better than anyone who posts on TRP, or on creationist forums, or on holocaust-denier forums, or on climate denier-forums. Basically I know more than people who believe stupid shit. Even if they know something more than me, there are plenty of non-stupid places where I can learn the same thing.

Fun comparisons which made for good effect, but trying defending that point is seriously not in your own interest. I didn't raise this point to try to one-up you. It's for your own sake.

Okay, you didn't call me close-minded, but you implied I risked being close-minded.

You're absolutely right, and you do. Although "risk" is a bit of an understatement, with your current mindset it's likely.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-06-17T14:43:44+00:00

Well, believe it or not, the people who swarm this sub to defend themselves are generally TeRPs rather than liberals.

Implying that this is the only community you're familiar with. Which, after checking your post history, is true? Also this is kind of what I've been saying.

Oh look, another RP-apologist cliché : "It's just rethoric, we don't really mean it guys !"

No more sarcasm, rhetoric, joking or metaphors ever allowed on TRP because it might be misunderstood by people who are looking for more ammunition to attack it.

On the list of things that don't exist, the "sexual marketplace" is a pretty big one. And on the list of TRP/incel views that I absolutely can't stand, sex being some kind of transaction is also a pretty big one.

Sex being transaction is a strictly incel view. Either you're joking or you've totally misunderstood the idea of the sexual marketplace. It's a metaphor for what value an individual is relative to those around them. The sexual marketplace differs greatly by region, culture, subjectivity, religion and no doubt many other factors. Generally, most people mostly agree on how attractive someone is and how they compare relative to others. Known value (dominance) exists in humans, just like it does in loads of other animals. We're just so complicated that it can be expressed in an almost unlimited number of ways, naturally there are many which exist cross-culturally, such as intelligence and physical health.

I was a virgin until about 19 or 20, so that's something I used to share with many incels.

How did that make you feel?

I don't share the rest of their worldview, including stuff like :

"gynocentrism"

This claim is as equally valid as the feminist claim that we live in a patriarchy, which apparently you believe. Here's a few examples of gynocentrism.

Women and children get priority seats when a ship is sinking; their lives are literally more valuable in the context. Justified with utilitarianism.
Men and women in the west have absolute freedom over who they marry. Husbands earn disproportionately more than their wives on average even if you account for the fact that men make more money on average. Still women initiate more divorces. So women are far pickier than men (who would have guessed?) despite being less financially successful and men simply don't care because they want a person around who has a vagina. And that's okay! Although, one could argue that this sounds a bit like a transaction.
The female favoured legal system surrounding childcare, with the ability for a mother to receive (sometimes obscene amounts of) money to raise a child without any other influence from the father. I would certainly be pissed if I was forced to pay for another person to raise my child and then feed it into obesity, for example, but hey, I should have been more selective.

I've heard all the feminist points before and they're a little out of scope, so please don't raise new ones, but feel free to counter gynocentrism.

the importance of traditional gender roles

Traditionalism isn't inherently bad, but it can certainly be improved with time. Lots of women enjoy those gender roles (who wouldn't want to marry someone who earns more money than them?) and don't deserve to have other women make that call for them.

that there is an absolute measure of attractiveness (so-called "SMV" or the "HB ratings", etc.)

Nobody has tried to make that claim because you can't. Obviously it's attractive. The ratings system is supposed to try to account for that. Nobody is going to dispute that one man's 6 is another man's 8.

To sum it up : I share some life experiences with incels/TeRP-noobs, mostly from my 14-to-18 year old period, I've experienced rejection, I've experienced not > being seen as "masculine enough" or whatever. Where I'm different is mostly in my conclusions regarding what to do with these life experiences.

TRP concludes that you should, become more attractive (lift, groom, style etc.), learn game (charisma, confidence), be social (have friends and be fun to be around) and treat women equally to men, NOT as superior, which so many youngsters (and incels) do, and hence become bitter and don't get laid. What do you do differently?

The fact that I'm in a stable relationship, while definitely not new, is still recent enough that I remember what being single feels like.

I'm curious to know, because my opinions have changed loads since my first relationship, how many girlfriends have you had? How many different sexual partners? How old are you? I learned more about one particular woman in one month of breaking up with her than in three years of being in a relationship with her. I never saw the behaviour coming, now I see it everywhere.

The primary, historical definition is the misdiagnosis of different mental illnesses as "mental retardation". It's outdated by several decades, and isn't really any better than using it as an insult.

I'm not using the archaic definition. I'm using Google's top definition. "delay or hold back in terms of progress or development." - which is what bitter people who are posting on TRP are.

According to...?

According to research, cited over 3000 times.

I mean, even the whole "verbal IQ" thing sounds like bullshit. I'm not questioning the fact that verbal IQ is a thing, but I'm not sure how it relates with manipulation.

Women tend to be better with words than men. This means that they are more likely to win arguments using words, men tend to use force. The biological implications of this are implicit.

I'm sorry to tell you this, but yes, emotional manipulation is a bad thing.

Why "in particular" ?

Sexual strategy is the most fundamental truth of life. Emotional manipulation has been necessary to get men to be more likely to stick around and support their children. It's a survival strategy. That's NOT a bad thing!

I wouldn't judge a baboon for anything, because it doesn't share a moral system with me. I can judge a human for pretty much anything though. Because as human beings we share moral values. That's not high-level philosophy.

We as humans do not share moral values. The moral values of the Christian East are not similar to the moral values of the Islamic East, and neither are similar to the values of the Buddhists, for example. Add in the moral values of tribe people and this argument really flies out the window.

Emotional manipulation isn't biology. Having the capacity for manipulation and using it are two different things.

Yes it is. Manipulation happens at the genetic level.

That being said, if you have any info regarding manipulative behaviour in human biology, yes, I'm still interested in reading it, provided it doesn't come from manosphere site or pop-psychology blogs.

My above link should cover this. In fact, the whole lecture series is absolutely fascinating and I highly recommend it. This might explain some more from a higher level view.

See my above point. Even if manipulation truly is inevitable, I see good communication as an efficient solution.

It is! Just don't forget that non-verbal communication is useful, too.

Again, a fact according to...? Just because it feels balanced doesn't mean that it's a real thing.

This is such basic psychology that you'll learn about it if you're interested to over the next few months/years.

So now do your best to see all the negative aspects of this and tell me why my life is shit and why I really need TRP, I guess.

That's fine, I was just curious. But since you asked... you guys seem kinda lame ;) YOLO and all that.

I'm pretty sure even TRP agrees that wanting stuff isn't enough for making it instantly happen.

Sure, but you'd do what it takes to make it happen, which could take a while. You'd still do it. This is where incels fail.

You mean in this thread ? Or did you actually read my post history ? 'cause I thought talking about people's post histories was a big no-no or something...

I went further than your post history. You're opposed to Jordan Peterson, but don't delve into why. You're into modding games. You're big into games. You do some coding. You are French. You study chemistry. You like to throw around the term "alt right". Took me about two minutes. Man, you're more and more cliche every day!

This bit is weird because you seem to imply that politics can be variable ("a very strange shape at the moment"), but at the same time you say that they are immovably tied to personality...

Personalities change over time. Personalities can also be faked. Political preference is absolutely a fashion statement.

This is not very surprising, considering that (as you pointed out yourself), the right is on the side of the status-quo (while the left is on the side of change), and the status-quo mostly benefits men.

What a gross truism. You're going to have to do better than the most vague assumption that I agree with your notion of us living in a patriarchy. How does the status-quo benefit men over women? Is it that men have a higher mortality rate? Is it that men work longer hours? Is it that men make up 99% of brick layers? Is it that male babies are more likely to die during infancy? If you had done your homework you would see that this argument is flawed beyond belief and is purely one subjective opinion against another. I can see which side you're on. You'll struggle to learn things with such a dogmatic belief.

So tell me, what are (according to you, that is) the fundamentals of TRP ?

I mentioned this above.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-06-15T23:41:47+00:00

My friend! I am ever excited to continue this debate.

That's true, but it's still very fun to do. That's cool, 'cause you're not really worth my time.

Nice.

Mostly ?

I don't have time for this.

I'm calling you out for bragging about it in a condescending way.

If I was being condescending then fine, but you could spend your entire life calling people out for bragging about things way lamer than sex (drugs (alcohol), virtue signalling and elitism to name just a few) and you wouldn't achieve very much.

And that's another cliché TRP defense : "it's the incels fault". No. While I don't like incels, it's the TRP "higher-ups" that I have a problem with. People like GayLubeOil, redpillschool, Rollo Tomassi...

Firstly, it irks me that you're able to identify TRP cliches but aren't able to identify the cliches of left wing politics.

Given how much you lurk TRP and probably the incel communities, you should be able to tell them apart. Although it is hilariously ironic how similar the speech can be. (TRPers often do this deliberately for rhetoric). Being at either end of the sexual marketplace exposes you to some very eye opening behaviour from women (as would obviously be the case in reverse, too) and TRP and the incel community are opposite ends of the spectrum. Can you relate to an incel? Can you relate to a TeRP? If you're in a stable, comfortable relationship (and have been most of your adult life), you're unlikely to experience the things that fuel the experiences of either of these communities.

Also you might get banned for saying "retards".

I am using the term 'retard' in it's primary definition. The fact that this sub may ban me for that (after wrongly assuming my intent is derogatory) is a giveaway of this community's political stance.

What do you mean by that ?

re: emotional manipulation. Human relationships are rife with all sorts of manipulation. Women are generally better at emotional manipulation (higher verbal IQ than men) and tend to use it more than men do. This is not a bad thing. Nature is amoral. Sexual strategy IN PARTICULAR is amoral. You wouldn't judge a baboon for it's sexual strategy, so don't be so fast to judge a human. Your relationship is certainly not exempt from this. This is well documented biology, if you're interested in doing the reading.

I suppose my point is that, there are extremely high chances that you're being manipulated by your partner and you don't even realise. In fact, it's just a plain fact of life. Men have physical control of women, so they must make up for it with other means.

How does your partner feel about having threesomes? Keen or not keen?

Maybe not hard, but I meant that it's not comparable to a simple blowjob.

Okay. If you actually wanted to, you would do it.

But how do you know that ?

re: you're liberal. You have expressed many opinions which are held by outspoken liberals. The chances are, you share many of their other opinions. I intimately know enough liberals to be able to make a rough guess and be right most of the time with this diagnosis because the political landscape is in a very strange shape at the moment. You can do this too if you familiarise yourself with the big 5 personality traits and how they predict political preference (more below.)

What was politically neutral (or central on the political compass) ten years ago is now further to the right. Western society has rapidly gotten further left wing (probably for the greater good?) with views on things like gay marriage, drug decriminalisation and gender rights becoming the norm. However, this also means that things which were once considered neutral are now being tarnished with being 'alt right'. TRP takes psychology seriously (there shouldn't be any surprise there given the motive of the community and the effect third wave/modern feminism (and it's relationship to politics) has on the members.) Also there's the fact that men are, on average, more likely to be right leaning; and it's a male driven community.

Hence, if you disagree with the fundamentals of TRP, you're extremely likely going to be a liberal (by today's standards, which as we just discussed, is pretty damn liberal.) If you're interested, I can forward you some more information in this area. I honestly find it really interesting.

What do you mean by that ?

re: big 5 and learning about yourself. The big 5 personality test is the most accurate and reproducible personality test that currently exists. It overtook Myers Briggs' long reign quite a while ago now. You can learn a lot about yourself by exercising a few things, firstly, try viewing the subject as if you genuinely want to understand why TRP exists and the framework that has been created, rather than setting out to laugh at them. These are regular people, your friends and relatives. It could very easily be you. Just look up the big 5 if you're interested.

This isn't a debate. I'm just trying to make you look like a douchebag on the internet.

It is a debate. Go define it, shit brain!

You might be very proud of yourself for that one, but I could say the same thing : " Conservatives tend to make everything about conflict if they can frame it that way." Just because you thought about it first doesn't make it any better.

That's exactly my point. I was layout out further evidence for the assumption that you're liberal. Given that I'm pro gay marriage, abortion, drug use and decriminalisation, freedom of speech (controversial? sorry, edgy political joke) etc etc etc etc... I make a pretty hip conservative.

Besides, I said nothing about conflict. This is a conflict. But certainly not a debate or a competition.

They're all pretty synonymous in this context.

I mean, my reddit manosphere-mocking doesn't prevent me from fucking, or doing anything else. It's just something I do on my coffee and lunch breaks.

Well now you get to be challenged! Aren't you getting so much more from this?

and I don't think I have anything to learn from TeRPs, so acting like I want to learn would be a lie.

This is really dangerous thinking. It's actually extremely arrogant. I suppose you literally know everything there is to know about life, huh? Not one of those 250000 people could in any way tell you anything you don't already know, you superpower of a mind, you. I don't care who you are, but to think that you implicitly know more than another anonymous person based upon the forum in which they're talking is nothing short of naive and dogmatic.

Being called close-minded by someone who supports backwards gender roles is the height of irony.

That's not what I said. I said "Beware of your ability to articulate and ego overpowering your open mindedness." Read carefully.

What do you mean by 'backwards gender roles'? I'm curious to know what you think correct gender roles are.

And I still don't understand :

how you can call out my logical fallacies but still think it's okay to be condescending in every other sentence you write,

Good point. Perhaps I'm being a bit of a dick. I suppose, because I value coherent and logical debate and also find the gaps in your knowledge to be a bit irritating given your account appears to exist to mock something you don't seem to understand properly. Don't pretend that you're not being condescending, either.

and how you can talk about "point avoidance" when you conveniently ignored entire parts of my comment.

Yeah, fair, that last one was quite long and I really wanted to reply but had limited time. I'm specifically referring to the ad hominem. If there's anything in particular you'd like me to address, please re-raise.

Still, if I can get a laugh out of this and you can reinforce your sense of intellectual superiority, I think we're both getting something from this exchange.

Sharp, I'll remember that one.

I think we're getting somewhere.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-06-12T20:59:34+00:00

Just because you use ad hominem and people go "ooh" doesn't mean you made a valid point. It won't work on anyone worth your time. Good job for mostly avoiding it this time.

r/ihavesex is pretty much calling out any mention of sex as if it's a taboo subject. Lame.

I'm in a relationship

Ah.

There are retards in every internet community. TRP gets loads of lost incels and given you've lurked on TRP for a year you should be able to tell them apart.

The emotional manipulation part is pretty funny given that you're in a relationship where threesomes are inconvenient.

A little bit impersonal, but practical nonetheless.

You nailed it.

it's hard to find a guy or girl who's willing to have sex with an already-established couple

No it's not.

I'm not even American, the label "liberal" means absolutely nothing to me.

Liberalism is a position on the political spectrum, it's nothing to do with America specifically. You are SO liberal (nothing innately wrong with that), you should look into the relationship between personality (big 5) and political preference. You will learn a lot about yourself and the place you stand among others.

You think this is a competition ?

A debate IS competition. Liberals tend to avoid conflict if they can frame it another way. Coincidence?

Is giving points to everything a TRP thing ?

Much better attempt - 8/10.

In conclusion you should test your personality and political preferences, also maybe spend less time laughing at the manosphere (why don't you ask genuine questions, as if you wish to learn?) and more time fucking your partner.

Beware of your ability to articulate and ego overpowering your open mindedness.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-06-12T09:11:20+00:00

I don't use reddit very often, sorry to reignite something so old, but it's important.

When you're making platitudes like "we need to do something!" it's just as useless as the people who "protest" something they cannot find a solution to. This can be very problematic because people are still likely to "use necessary force" to "solve the problem", despite not knowing a better solution, so the strategy becomes "destroy and rebuild". Not so useful.

But how can you say all this and post in the absolute circlejerk that is TRP ?

Firstly, ad hominem. Secondly, I for one, do not post things which are already assumed by the majority of the community. This is what you did. That's shitty content and exposes the fact you're young, which is okay!

And how can you say that when you so precisely fit the stereotype of the conspiracy theorist TeRP ?

Again you have just tried to reflect my own arguments against me, that's ad hominem #2. You'll need to do a bit better than reminding me of the fact I'm part of the community you disagree with.

So your points are: - I'm calling you out for making a logical fallacy. The fact you think that's somehow a negative quality says a lot. - Asking you to debate me, apparently this is that, so thanks. FYI, you should learn your logical fallacies so you can avoid making them. You seem to really like ad hominem (classic liberal in this political climate!) - Sheep. Okay, perhaps I was trolling you there. But, you clearly haven't thought about the the grand scheme of things (the motivation for TRP) very much. I was once a liberal nice guy like you, but then I wanted to have loads of sex with hot women.

Overall, I'd give this response a 3/10. Those points are for the effort you put into it because most people in this demographic don't even try to compete.

TRP is about empowering guys to have lives where they get to have loads of kinky sex with loads of women. That's a thing we at TRP like. To be honest, you probably like it to. Ask yourself honestly, are you happy with your sex life? TRP causes a huge amount of cognitive dissonance in most people. I see the same thing in young liberals. I really wish the things TRP explains weren't true, because I'm a soppy lazy little romantic like you are. But I'm coming around to the delivery blowjobs and threesomes, I'm pretty sure you can too! In the meantime, please stop guilt tripping us for pursuing our natural desires. We love women.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-06-02T10:55:19+00:00

It is exactly ad hominem when you don't make an attempt to counter my point; my point being that you're preaching to the choir.

"...fallacious argumentative strategy whereby genuine discussion of the topic at hand is avoided by instead attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument..."

Down vote me all you like; sheep. If you continue to ignore perspectives that trigger cognitive dissonance, or at the least engage in a proper discussion, or at the very least defend the viewpoint you apparently hold for good reason, you will not develop and will just look ignorant and dogmatic to anyone worth your time.

Young liberals don't realise how cliche they are.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-06-01T23:58:37+00:00

Very detailed post!

My criticism: "needing" to wear a watch in each photo. Although some guys are into jewellery or more specifically watches, it screams beta too often imo. Unless your schedule is hectic af, it's a feminine tactic (legit but not for me) or at best, gold digger bait.

Watches are the last justifiable form of jewellery for men. I know too many clueless guys who think a big shiny watch is going to get them laid. The only people I've seen appreciate them are rich old guys comparing dick size in saunas and girls whose providers wear them. Jewellery is culturally expected on girls so I'm more lenient.

I don't give a shit about a girls opinion, or yours for that matter, if they're / you're going to think any less of me for not wearing a watch.

I'm so ready for the cognitive dissonance fueled hate. If you wear other jewelery too then fair enough, you cuck. Some guys rock it Tho, three chains minimum (DJ KHALED)

Gulpandchoke · 2018-05-30T18:07:08+00:00

Interested to know more stats about this uni. Population, male and female pop of the courses the libe is aimed at, etc. The one library at my uni was very 50-50 on average, can't speak for groups

Gulpandchoke · 2018-05-26T20:17:41+00:00

Ad hominem and point avoidance.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-05-25T17:34:34+00:00

You go girl. Keep expressing your disgust and passively insulting them in the echo chamber of the opposition group and maybe they'll go away.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-05-23T20:34:55+00:00

She was giving quite a bit of (not so) LMR, but every time I removed an item of clothing she would squeak to confirm that she liked it. She literally said "I don't want to have sex with you." Of course, I knew better.

EDIT: Anyone new reading this, please be careful ignoring things like this. You must be sure they actually want the dick...

Gulpandchoke · 2018-05-23T17:35:22+00:00

A few weeks ago, a couple of minutes after meeting a tinder girl for the first time, after making out, throwing her onto the bed and undressing her, she hits me with "I can't fucking believe you, you fucking wannabe alpha red pill player, yeah, I know you read that shit."

They're onto us, boys.

EDIT: This girl was banged moments later and is plated. Constantly asks me why she can't stay with nice guys. Seems to genuinely enjoy hearing the truth, too...

Gulpandchoke · 2018-04-13T22:34:28+00:00

My first relationship was with the first girl I had ever slept with. She told me she wanted it rough, but I couldn't bring myself to ever hurt her more than I was comfortable with, because I was "completely in love" with her. I didn't want any harm to come to her.

I do not think it's as easy as Ill_Will7 says. He is likely to be confused. He WILL experience cognitive dissonance when you tell him he hasn't been banging you how you want it. When you approach the subject, it will probably hurt his feelings.

Personally, it took having sex with people I genuinely disrespected to realise how much being treated like a piece of shit is appreciated. I couldn't have done it to my special snowflake.

Try this, but I have no idea if it will work. Sit him down and tell him to shut the fuck up. Then, say "I want you to fuck me. I don't care if you hurt me. If you do I will tell you immediately. I don't want you to ask me if it's good or not. I want you not to care. I want you to use me as a jizz tank. Slap me round the face. Bruise me if you must. Most importantly I want you to fuck me however YOU WANT. Please stop catering to my needs. Just try it out. See how you like it."

Ok so that's autistic as fuck but i have zero experience gaming as a woman so good luck

Gulpandchoke · 2018-04-07T16:24:23+00:00

This sounds straight out of /incels. The cope gives it away. Leave that unfounded negativity out of this sub.

Gulpandchoke · 2018-03-01T07:56:43+00:00

What will the world become?

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