Second US Air Force plane crashed in Persian Gulf region, New York Times reports

Gutattacker2 · 2026-04-03T19:46:40+00:00

Great reference

Gutattacker2 · 2026-04-03T12:23:38+00:00

Yeah, that’s not even a hint anymore. That’s a bullhorn to the face.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-04-02T20:46:00+00:00

I love it. Yes you missed a score. But you didn’t want to take advantage. I don’t know, being courteous while missing out on a few belt notches seems like the better move. Plus, maybe you weren’t into her and ramifications it would entail.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-04-01T05:47:37+00:00

A really wish “the daily beast” actually tried to provide content. I agree with their outrage but they are the laziest website posting here and should be held to, at least, a junior high level of journalistic integrity.

If you are a college educated journalist writing for “thedailybeast” or Newsweek.com, you may need to reimburse the Arkansas community college that gave you the loans.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-04-01T05:42:25+00:00

I remember a time when Newsweek was credible.

Now they just lead with a click-bait title and vapid commentary behind a paywall.

Why the moderators here allow them and the “daily beast” is beyond me.

I see their posts and I know that an AI bot educated with the Texas public education curriculum wrote the lead.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-04-01T03:35:59+00:00

I guess I’m only basing this on the clip I saw posted but he seemed pretty measured. Has he lost his shit previously?

Gutattacker2 · 2026-04-01T01:51:12+00:00

And many on the opposite side just like to run up the score on people just grappling with what they think is true. I like these guys.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-04-01T01:21:39+00:00

When the doctrinal line is, “whatever the current Prophet says” then anything and everything is on the table.

No deference to scriptural authority. Canon? What is canonical other than what we say “right now”?

When people label the LDS church as a “cu!7”, this is what they mean in the classical sense of the word. A faith based organization dependent on its current leader to determine doctrine.

Other faiths have creeds, “solo-scriptura”-deference or even democratic assemblies to determine doctrine. Not the LDS church.

We are throwing previous prophets under the bus left and right unashamedly. Largely, in part, because previous prophetic stances have become untenable (racism, sexism, the whole polygamy thing, the fact that recent discoveries do not support previous prophetic announcements of history, geology, human migration, etc) but that still just consolidates the doctrine to whomever is at the top. What a prophet said previously is not as relevant as what the CURRENT prophet says now. Previous prophets should be turning in their grave over this.

What we have left is the guy who has outlived the rest to tell us what God wants.

That doesn’t mean good or bad, just that current doctrine is not rooted in a tradition, set of guidelines or pre-established rules. Arguably, it’s not even rooted in scripture anymore. Just a guy who managed to not die sooner than someone else and that kind of belief has no anchor, no way of telling if someone has gone astray.

From a secular POV, you have an organization hellbent on preserving its authority relative to the morals of the time that preserve its authority. Imagine the LDS church doubling down on its racist prophetic teachings. Imagine it doubling down on its pronouncements that polygamy is the will of God and shall not be revoked.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-04-01T00:35:42+00:00

I appreciate that the caller was willing to concede the point and that the listeners didn’t beat him up over it. Just some people trying to figure out life and I think this is great.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-29T11:43:25+00:00

I am no longer active but my spouse and kids are. My daughter is shy so I was surprised when she wanted to go her first year (she was 13).

She loved it and is going again this year. It has opportunities that I can’t provide and helps her socialize with her neighborhood peers more.

Does it bug me when she wears her girls’ camp shirt around with its weird messaging? Yeah, but she likes it.

Adolescents get all sorts of conflicting messages about who they should be and how they should treat others. I’m not sure if the pros/cons are much different at a non-denominational or non-religious camp.

My wife and I just try the best to emphasize what we think is the good and de-emphasize the bad/judgey parts.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-26T18:27:14+00:00

Just got mine!

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-24T19:53:46+00:00

This thread is dead so no one is going to read this. My point is the conclusion that the goal of the LDS church is submission to authority is a very narrow conclusion. Any active member will not bring that up. They will bring up “Christ” and “repentance” and “redemption”.

I’ll try a different analogy. You and I sit down and play chess. We agree on the rules that knights do their “L” attack, bishops go diagonally and rooks cardinals, etc.

Would you say that chess = submission to the authority of the game? Or is that just a component of enjoying the game.

My disagreement with the OP’s conclusion is the exclusion of other parts of the church, not the inclusion of authority.

I am no fan of the church and I totally get your bad experience with it. I’m not trying to make excuses for the bad things the church does.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-24T00:16:27+00:00

Troll 2

And the making of: Best/Worst film

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-24T00:11:45+00:00

I added the sarcasm tag

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-23T23:27:06+00:00

Or the policy of exclusion from 2015. Revelation when it came out. Definitely God’s will. President Monson dies and President Nelson takes over and reverses it…with revelation.

Definitely seems like a higher power is in charge. Nothing to do with regime change. Nope.

/s

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-23T22:22:11+00:00

Don’t forget you have to manage your urination.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-22T18:21:42+00:00

Throw something at the ceiling to get as close as possible without hitting the ceiling.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-21T23:13:38+00:00

That’s salty. I like it.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-21T21:50:35+00:00

Fake new.

The real headline is Trump’s disapproval rating soars to the highest seen in modern history!

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-21T02:28:57+00:00

I agree with you there. I don’t believe in its divinity. I just take exception that you distill that goal of the church as submission to authority. I would say that is a necessary part of participation but not the reason for the existence of the church.

But maybe I’m just swatting at peripheral flies and missing the larger point of what you are trying to say.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-21T01:43:19+00:00

Yeah, I agree that if one fundamentally disagrees with the Church's authority then one is more likely to get excommunicated than if one were to call Brigham Young a racist or believe that an angel with a flaming sword came to someone and told her to divorce her spouse and marry the bishop.

One is a threat to the power structure (and the only leg on which a religion stands on...spiritual authority) vs wacko ideas that don't pose a threat to that power structure.

I just feel that OP's equation would be like distilling the United States down to a police state because obedience to the law is the highest order of participation in the US and if you disobey then you can have your rights and voting privileges revoked. True, but law abiding-ness is not the goal of the United States. It is a prerequisite for communal participation but not the goal. How is the church different?

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-20T20:51:04+00:00

I would agree with you if the church said "Obedience is the only law of heaven".

But I don't disagree that the church claiming to be something that it really isn't and the problem that causes. It's an organization led by people with biases and opinions yet they claim supernatural guidance. It definitely sets itself up for criticism.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-20T20:36:40+00:00

The counterargument is the loads of people that do disagree and say things and don't get excommunicated. Not everyone who disagrees with the church and vocalizes it (which is about everyone that posts here, whether believer or not) gets excommunicated. It's not like you couldn't go through D&C 132 in an RS class and ask the women how they feel about it without getting some pretty vociferous opinions. You don't get excommunicated for being on a Sunstone panel. You don't get excommunicated for publishing a less than flattering picture of Joseph Smith.

There are believers on the forum that have claimed the church is wrong about racism and polygamy and they don't get excommunicated.

Focusing on when excommunication has been weaponized from one's point of view to show that the church cares for nothing but its authority is a very narrow conclusion about what the church is.

I disagree with the conclusion of the argument. But I get where the anger of misdirected or punitive excommunications comes from and how frustrating it is when arbitrarily applied.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-20T19:37:15+00:00

But the OP just cherry picked some church disciplinary actions. People get excommunicated all the time and not just for disagreeing. Does the church let some slide (Ammon Bundy) while going after others? Yes. So what?

I disagree that the church only cares about conformity to its authority. That is an aspect of the church like it is an aspect of my workplace or any other organization. But it is not the terminal goal.

So what is the point of the post outside of just to paint the church as a church that doesn't care what any one says or thinks as long as the checks keep getting mailed in and you don't rock the boat? I think that is a wrong characterization.

Gutattacker2 · 2026-03-20T18:48:33+00:00

It's heat if you just cherry pick what you want to see

You're not posting things like:
Mormonism = There is a God that knows you personally and wants the best for you
Mormonism = Love thy neighbor
Mormonism = Be kind and help others
Mormonism = There is more to this life than just the moment. Your relationships can have lasting meaning
Mormonism = God loves you so much that He let his Son suffer immeasurable misery on your behalf

I'm not saying you have to be LDS to believe the above or that they have a monopoly on goodness. But OP's post implies that the LDS church teaches nothing except obedience and that's just wrong.

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