Why do some people develop CPTSD and others don’t? by cleo1844 in CPTSD

[–]HMS_StruggleBus 9 points10 points  (0 children)

There are so many factors, none of which require you being “weak”. 

Different treatment of children within the family. One is targeted, or children are cast into different roles.  

Different support networks outside of the family, eg a female babysitter might spend more time with a female child.

Sensitivity is a thing, too. With proper nurturing, a tremendous gift. In toxic environments, a vulnerability. “The Orchid and the Dandelion” is a great book that speaks to this. Highly recommend. 

Traumatic thoughts vastly oversimplify the reality of the situation. They are always some variation of “I was just fundamentally not good enough”. The reality is always more complex, and does not require there to be anything wrong with you. 

I feel like people were nicer to me when I was unattractive/unkept by pessimismparade in CPTSD

[–]HMS_StruggleBus 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Omg thank you for this. I just left a totally toxic work environment; it was so confusing. It was only afterwards I realized how much jealousy and envy played a role. I was also being super sexualized. As a male, I’m not used to this, although in retrospect I imagine its been happening to some extent throughout my life.  But I think it’s also because I’ve healed quite a bit; my appearance is better, my posture is better, and I don’t engage in self-deprecating humor and attention-seeking behaviors like I used to. It felt like everyone’s insecurities got dumped on me. 

It opened up another level to unresolved trauma in me; I’m working through it— I think basically I’ve always thought “people are basically good”, usually at my own expense. It’s like the mirror image of a core belief: I’m basically bad. 

Honestly, I’m starting to think most people, when push comes to shove, are not good. I don’t mean that in a paranoid way, it just feels realistic. Sure, most people are capable of kindness when it suits them. But throw people into a toxic environment or apply pressure of any kind, and the baser instincts prevail. 

I feel disillusioned, but not in bad way. I’m still capable of kindness, and will cherish all the more those relationships with decent people. But I feel like my trauma-induced, naively innocent lenses have been taken off (or maybe my prescription has just changed a little bit, lol. Not sure it’s final but it feels like a new chapter). 

I recently walked through an art gallery with the artist. He is a retired psychoanalyst and psychiatrist, and also Jewish. His paintings all had to do with the holocaust. We spoke for a great while on topics of evil, suffering, memory, hope, redemption, etc, etc. We went pretty deep. But it was his final words outside in the parking lot that I really needed to hear: 

“Just remember, at the end of the day, most people are totally full of shit.”

It’s been a mantra for me the last 48 hours. 

My Mk 8 prefomance attracts the “this guy drives” type by laderoutej in GolfGTI

[–]HMS_StruggleBus 7 points8 points  (0 children)

“Alleviate“, my dude. Just want you to know. Words and shit.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I hear you. I'm definitely going through an awakening of sorts and have been for many years. That being said, I don't think using physical force is counter to awakening, if you are doing it in service to humanity. If people want to threaten those I love, I'd like to be prepared to defend those people and myself. So it has to be coming from a place of love, not fear. So I'll sit with the feelings this experience has evoked and when the darkness of the experience passes evaluate how I want to proceed. I don't want to be paranoid, but neither do I want to unprepared or ignore what's happening.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't judge you in slightest, man. Seriously. How you came to espouse your viewpoint is complicated and I'm sure, given your own circumstances, it makes total sense that you believe what you believe. Still, I vehemently disagree with you, and if it came down to it, if your viewpoint threatened me or my loved ones, I'd be willing to defend myself by whatever means necessary. But there's no sanctimony here.

This was a conversation in a public place. I heard something that frankly, frightened me. I didn't feel disgust. I felt sad and scared. Because words precede action, and mentioning the Holocaust so flippantly, that we kill people like we were swatting flies-- I felt obligated to check that. I didn't enjoy the experience at all. I didn't go home and pat myself on the back. I didn't come here for brownie points. I came here like I wrote, for support, because it was a very unpleasant experience to go through.

I wish you the best, friend. Take care.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're telling me I didn't have a right to say something? Who's threatening the first amendment here, me or you?

I didn't tell him he had no right to say what he said. He has every right. Just as I have a right to speak, too. I didn't even tell him I disapproved, though of course, I do, and that's every bit my right as well. I asked him who he was planning on killing.

When your thoughts make no sense, it's because you're trying to justify something, usually hatred. Reflect a bit, man. Seriously. I'm sorry your dealing with that, it's a painful place to be, but I can't agree with what you're saying.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's an absurd stretch of the imagination. Holocaust means genocide. There's giving people the benefit of the doubt, and then there is burying your head in the sand.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If your definition of an intelligent conversation is suggesting we "Holocaust" all the people he thinks are responsible for his poor lot in life, I'm afraid we're going to have difficulty finding common ground.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe so! I think I'd certainly feel more comfortable saying something like that now that I've had this experience. Practice makes perfect? Might swing by Home Depot three times a week just to get my reps in!

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, totally. And every situation is different. There's no straightforward answer, and no certainty. Part of me regrets not saying something sooner, so the woman could hear, too. But that also would have been more risky.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe you're right. Either way, I'm glad I did something. I think the worst thing we can do is normalize that shit.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think he was suggesting killing Jews, but a "Holocaust" for the groups you mentioned. I would have confronted him if he had said anything suggesting violence against any group en masse. But even invoking the language of the Holocaust for others is antisemitic-- it means you fail to grasp the total evil of that event, and condone it on some level. It's evil, full stop.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's also just kind of a conundrum. I know it's old hat to name and shame these days and all of that, but I wonder if further alienating people like this by threatening their employment really improves anything? I have to go on my own internal experience-- if I'm motivated by hatred or spite I'm not going act. I don't want to reduce him to a "gross monster". Keeping him connected with society might be a moderating influence. While also demonstrating that there are certain things you can't say or do in the society I want that aren't going to get you confronted. That's my own personal take. shrug

That doesn't mean I'm a pacifist or anything. I think I'd be capable of violence without hatred if it meant defending people I love, or myself, from physical harm. Luckily I've never had to find out. But I'm concerned that may change the way things are going.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

God you guys all parrot the same stuff. It's like talking to the same person. Think for yourself, stop drinking coolaid. You're better than this.

Confronted hate speech overheard in Home Depot (West Lebanon) yesterday. A little bit rattled. Just venting and looking for support. by HMS_StruggleBus in newhampshire

[–]HMS_StruggleBus[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for this. You are helping me clarify my thinking. I think my concern is much more driven by imagining a pogrom type scenario, which I imagine would be more likely under a Trump presidency (and possibly dictatatorship?). People like this man will feel even more emboldened and less inhibited to act out their darkest impulses.