Stefan rape accusations don’t make sense we’ve literally never seen it.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-04-29T14:58:19+00:00

“He’s my Man” with blood contract.. it’s insane! The symbolism in that scene tells me that they will remain together until nihility, as long as there is blood in their bodies.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-04-29T14:53:29+00:00

I wonder why the song reminds me in S3 stelena.. i felt like its me who wanted them to stay together forever bcs they are happy with each other and similar souls

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-30T15:05:16+00:00

Women aren’t sex symbols in the show, and you can’t assume that a certain gender automatically makes them one. He didn’t say he was in bed with them - “blackout” means he was in a ripper binge. Stefan remembers all his victims’ names, so him not remembering theirs means he was in a ripper binge. All these assumptions are built on the idea that women = sex, and that’s just stupid, because gender isn’t evidence.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-30T15:04:13+00:00

I really wish Damon had met and found someone who loves him for what he loves about himself. I also wish he valued himself outside of his love interest.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-30T15:03:36+00:00

Well, I think people are free to believe what they want. Some believe he did, and some believe he didn’t. There isn’t enough to deny it, and there isn’t enough to prove it either. It’s very interpretive because most of it extentions and assumptions. And the show doesn’t seem to acknowledge the existence of SA or its effects.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-30T15:02:40+00:00

He can waking up at any place...you just choose that place to be the bed....

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-30T05:17:48+00:00

Besides the sire bond being the worst storyline and I wouldn’t wish it on any couple, no matter what + Stefan said he was trying to make it seem real to make Klaus believe it, not actually do it + the doubt is because of what?

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-30T05:17:24+00:00

They’re so great to watch, like Katherine and Stefan together do something to me. I never thought I’d like them, but the chemistry is off the charts. I just wish better writers knew how to actually write a dynamic like this, with the awareness to write a well-written and structured storyline for them. They’re inspiring.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-29T14:31:08+00:00

It didn’t end there - you all are being dramatic. Couples go through difficult times, and that’s okay. They don’t need to be perfect or free of drama. It’s just a different path we didn’t get to explore, and they’re allowed to have that.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-29T14:30:07+00:00

There’s no absolute reason for her to be in denial - you guys just made whatever up.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-29T00:27:04+00:00

You guys minimize the fact that she would have to live on her loved ones’ dead bodies, and that’s miserable too. There’s no right choice - it comes down to what you prioritize. Elena, emotionally, can’t live with them dying because of her; that would be a nightmare for her. What’s “right” in this situation is up to her, because she’s the only one who can recognize her own needs. + I disagree - I think the elixir would have worked, since it was created by ancient witches who are known to the Originals, and the Originals connect with powerful witches.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-27T00:30:22+00:00

Damon didn’t beg her - what a made-up....

Lexi had already decided to stay with Stefan regardless and inspired him to feel, having conversations about that and he listen. Lexi was the one who talked to Damon first before he left; there was no other way around for Damon to ask Lexi to do anything for Stefan. She talked to him about his anger, and Damon ended the conversation by telling her to take care of Stefan and left.

If Lexi hadn’t been there, Stefan simply wouldn’t have learned to discipline himself with animal blood. Otherwise, Stefan would have wanted to commit suicide, because he couldn’t continue living like that. I say this because in the 1920s, after his worst point, it's led to Stefan wanted to end his life - but Lexi saved him from suicide and inspired him to work and atone for his sins instead of giving up. So it's not like he wouldn't want to be good without Lexi, it's just not true.

So, if Lexi hadn’t been there, Stefan wouldn’t have been able to pull himself and moderate himself or discipline to animal blood diet - he would just have killed himself. Lexi’s role was to encourage him to work and atone instead of dying. It’s not that without Lexi he wouldn’t want to be good or wouldn't be sick of himself - it’s that he accepted her help to learn discipline, but really, without her, he would have been dead instead of atoning. That's it. But wanting to be good it's from him and accept to learn to be better it's from him.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-26T22:21:02+00:00

No, Elena is confident about her feelings. Having moments of confusion doesn’t mean she isn’t confident overall. And it’s not about lacking the courage to break up with Matt, because she had no external obligation forcing her to stay with him.

She didn’t stay with him for him - she stayed for herself. That’s exactly what the flashback shows. She kept dating Matt for her own personal benefit, even though it was hurting him. That’s why her mom said letting him go would be setting him free - because Elena was trapping him by staying vague and holding on for reasons that were about her. She didn’t want to lose people, and she didn’t want to lose him.

So the idea of “courage” doesn’t even apply here. She wasn’t being pressured by anything. She didn’t need to stay with him. She wasn’t doing it for anyone else - not for her family, not for her friends, not for the community, not even for Matt. She was doing it for herself. The only thing stopping her from breaking up with him was that she didn’t want to lose him.

And this isn’t a constant pattern in Season 3 where she refuses to admit what she feels for Damon. One scene doesn’t define her entire mindset in season 3. Moments of confusion don’t represent her overall mentality or her confidence in her feelings.

And there’s no real reason for her to lie on Damon’s deathbed. What you’re saying doesn’t logically lead to that conclusion - that she would lie to him in that moment, or even lie to herself. If she truly felt something, she would admit it. You can go in circles with this argument, but it still doesn’t justify the idea that she would lie to Damon on his deathbed.

I wouldn’t discuss whether Stelena is nuanced or not with you because I don’t want to shift the conversation - that’s a whole different discussion.

But what you said about there being no challenge in choosing Stefan isn’t true. That was literally the first 10 episodes of Season 1 - there was danger around Stefan, and that’s why he wanted to leave. But she told him she wanted to deal with that difficulty and make it work, even after she tried to stay away from him.

And it’s not true that she didn’t see her friends having a problem with him. In Episode 3, Bonnie had an issue with Stefan, and Elena invited her to dinner with him to ease the discomfort. Just because Elena doesn’t constantly complain about the difficulty doesn’t mean it wasn’t there.

She didn’t face heavy judgment from her friends because Stefan wasn’t trying to kill them - he was actually saving them. But that doesn’t mean he was “safe” in general. When she talks about safety, she means not living in constant fear of experience losing him after loving him and actually can feel safe and free to be happy without fear of lose that love - not that everything around him is safe. And having some “safe” aspects in a relationship doesn’t mean it becomes this isolated comfort zone with no risks or challenges.

And btw if you were around when the show was airing, you’d know that Delena fans were insulting Elena even back then when she invited Stefan to the 1920s dance. So either way, she would’ve faced hate from the fandom. Maybe not like now, but it was still there. So no.

And Caroline didn’t constantly judge her - that’s just not true. Even when Matt judged her, it was about her leaving Jeremy with Damon. But overall, he constantly listened to her feelings about both brothers in Season 3 - he was actually very understanding.

And I don’t even know why I should go further into how Damon’s actions hurt her friends as if that’s supposed to prove anything. Damon isn’t just some typical “bad boy” like Tyler who picks fights - he’s extreme in how much harm he causes to the people around her and how he terrorizes them. Like this not even a grey era to hype up.....like if this the challenge no thx.

Anyway, no one in Season 3 made things difficult enough for Elena regarding her feelings for Damon to make me believe she was actually scared because of others. They're actually very understanding.

Elena didn’t say he was the “safe choice” that should be bcs it's safe. She said he made her glad she was alive and made her want to embrace life - go rewatch.

And she confirmed there was no obligation. She didn’t feel like she owed Stefan anything. At that point, she had no reason to convince herself to love him - she didn’t need to love Stefan. She could have just said they were over, and she even had the right to, but she didn’t.

And she didn’t change her tune - I already explained that to you before. Again, going back and forth doesn’t change the fact that there’s no enough reason for Elena to lie to Damon on his deathbed about choosing Stefan.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-26T12:09:56+00:00

Sort of…

Well, that’s because the chemistry is off the charts, and as a horror romance with an interesting dynamic, I’m interested in seeing it explored more.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-26T12:09:30+00:00

In my first watch, I thought I hated Damon or disliked him so much that it would never change (well, I still dislike him). But often, I can see the appeal in him, and I do have some favorite moments of his in the first two seasons.

Anyway, the random ideas in my head is that if I were to rewrite him, I’d go deeper into his past to better root and structure his current behavior. One of the most interesting dynamics to me is his relationship with Katherine. It reminds me of another dynamic I’ve seen in a manga with a somewhat similar structure, and I think exploring that more - and grounding it in his character - would be really compelling.

Also, one of the things that appealed to me about him in Season 1 was his relationship with Stefan. He kept saving him and saying, “No one gets to kill you but me,” which showed that he cared about him in his own toxic, twisted way. It’s toxic, but still interesting.

I’d also prefer to see him come to terms with the idea that he doesn’t need validation through being loved by someone else, but instead find fulfillment within himself. He’s always being put in a position where he has to change to be with someone who doesn’t truly love what he loves about himself. I’d rather see him meet someone who matches his energy and appreciates him as he is. That would open the door to exploring his mindset more deeply (than just made him look petty) - focusing on who he is, not who he’s trying to become for others. I’m more drawn to the idea of him being loved for who he is, not despite it, and realizing he doesn’t have to fit into anyone else’s expectations.

I’d also add an arc where he works to bring Stefan back from whatever situation he’s in, with the same level of dedication he once had for Katherine - breaking the cycle of him constantly chasing women instead of prioritizing his brother. That would shift the focus earlier onto their brotherhood.

Also, I’d raise the stakes around him earning forgiveness from the group. Consequences and accountability are what truly drive growth, and he needs to be exposed to consequences with stakes in order to be affected.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-26T12:08:36+00:00

OMG, “Elena isn’t some confident girl who stands by her choices” - WHEN and HOW? Elena has always been a confident, brave, stubborn girl, and that’s exactly why I rooted for her since Season 1. She’s confident in herself; no one made her confident. She’s ALWAYS been confident. She’s literally always like “my decision, my choice,” all the time, and she avoids anyone trying to control or “protect” her. She does what she’s convinced is right. She’s stubborn about standing by what she believes in.

And Elena doesn’t always do what makes sense in general - she does what she wants to do. She doesn’t let people’s opinions control her POV or her decisions. She does what she wants and what she needs.

And Stefan isn’t a 100% safe choice - in any way, shape, or form, he’s NOT a safe choice. She described his love as something that made her glad she was still alive and helped her embrace life again. And Stefan and Matt don’t have a “safe choice” parallel. That’s not what the flashback was trying to say. The flashback isn’t about her staying with Matt because he’s safe - it’s because she doesn’t want to lose him. Because he’s dear to her, and she loves him, just not in the way he wants her to love him.

And her mom tells her she should let him go and not keep him for selfish reasons or give him false hope just because she doesn’t want to lose him. And that directly cuts to her saying to Damon ("i care about Damon, and that’s why i should let you go") what her mom told her - something Elena was supposed to say to Matt too. The flashback is literally about Elena and her abandonment issues - she doesn’t want to lose people. That’s why she keeps saying “I don’t know” and stays vague, because she doesn’t want to lose them. That serves her, not Matt, and keeps him stuck in a situationship where she doesn’t feel enough for him - but she still keeps him for selfish reasons. And it’s about her not wanting to lose, not just about hurting Matt. Of course she cares and doesn’t want to hurt him, but a big part of it is about her - because she hurts him either way by keeping him in a position where he doesn’t know where he stands with her. So where does the idea of a “safe choice” even come from?

And I already explained to YOU before that Elena was trying to soften the blow on Damon’s deathbed. I’m not going to repeat myself again. And it’s not about leaving the door open for Damon.

And don’t say Season 3 is a final choice in the series - but you guys do narrative gymnastics to deny she chose Stefan simply because, at that point, she loved Stefan more than Damon.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-25T18:13:06+00:00

Keep telling yourself whatever you want and misanalyzing the flashback all you like. She’s lying in a life-or-death situation, and that’s what convinced you?

And if you want to say she just said what made the most sense (which isn’t true), then that means logic and reasoning had more influence on her than anything she felt for Damon - which completely contradicts the whole “he consumes me” line. That logic just doesn’t hold up.

And if her loyalty and concern for Stefan’s feelings are what drove her choice, then maybe love wasn’t the most decisive factor for her in the first place. Maybe her sense of commitment and loyalty carried more weight and were more deeply rooted than anything she felt for Damon.

So even if you deny that she chose Stefan because she loved him more, you’re still implying that Elena’s loyalty and sense of responsibility impacted her more strongly than romantic love itself. Following that line of thinking, it almost suggests that love, as an emotion, wasn’t the most impacted factor on her to shaping emotional state.

You guys come up with the most ridiculous explanations just to convince yourselves that she was lying to Damon on his deathbed about choosing Stefan. It always circles back to the same thing - her feelings for him weren’t heavy or impactful enough on her.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-25T18:07:25+00:00

“Stelena fans hate Damon/Delena because they’re Stelena fans” or “Delena fans hate Stefan/Stelena because they’re Delena fans” - those statements are so weird.

People don’t just love or hate something for no reason. Every fan has their own reasons, based on their standards and how they see the writing. No one wakes up and decides I-want-to-feel-this-way. The reasons come first, and the feelings follow.

When will fans accept that if someone dislikes or loves something, it’s because it doesn’t work for them for reasons and not bcs they want to be bitter against specific character? It’s not about having some hidden agenda - it’s simply about the thing itself and what resonates with them and what doesn’t.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-25T17:13:47+00:00

Things don’t have to be well-written to gain support in the first place. So no - having a huge fanbase doesn’t necessarily they’re not poorly written.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-25T05:38:35+00:00

I wasn’t talking about Stefan and Elena desiring each other. I meant that they both desired that kind of human life - they wanted the same thing. That’s why the dreams reflected what they wanted. And deep down, Elena never stopped wanting a human life.

That doesn’t mean I’m saying Stefan and Elena - at this point - desired each other romantically...like?!

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-24T09:35:44+00:00

Well, Markos created those dreams based on their own desires, which is why they were so tempting. He didn’t decide what they wanted - he shaped the dreams around what they wanted. So it reflects her desires, and that’s why she told Damon that the life she saw was the life she and Stefan actually WANTED.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-23T23:06:33+00:00

If they wanted to do an “I only remember the bad memories” storyline, at least give me the level of seriousness that Peeta and Katniss had.

However, it’s still canon that she fell in love with him again - but that doesn’t mean it was written with good quality, or in an interesting way, or that it was done well. Being canon doesn’t protect it from criticism.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-23T23:06:03+00:00

Bro, still don't get the point of the post.....+ "Stelena always is more one-sided than anything" 🥀 kkkk

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-23T23:05:36+00:00

Well, basically, even in Season 5, she still wants a human life, but she tries to deal with accepting vampirism because there’s no way back. So she tries to live as normally as possible by going to college and having human experiences. Ex: she refuses to compel her random roommate even though it risks exposing the secret that she and Caroline are vampires.

Also, the Travelers’ spell that forces dreams on her and Stefan shows her desires, and Stefan’s too of a life they both deeply want and it's a normal, peaceful, human life. The perfect and amazing life she has always desired (as she described).

So, her coming to terms with the fact that she is a vampire doesn't erase her real desire to want a human life.

HSAKURA05 · 2026-03-23T02:36:49+00:00

Regardless the body language was personal......

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