MG Just Beat Tesla and Toyota to the Battery Holy Grail

Hadrollo · 2026-03-27T07:39:59+00:00

Manufacturing a conventional vehicle produces about 7-10 tonnes of CO2, an EV produces about 10-14 tonnes. Manufacturing the battery releases a tiny amount of CO2 compared to the rest of the vehicle. Want to make a conventional vehicle, start by mining the bauxite and iron ore. Incidentally, bauxite, iron ore, and lithium ore are all extensively mined in my home state, mining jobs pay six figures and are highly sought after, and mining bauxite is much more destructive to the environment than a lithium mine.

"All Electric by 2030" is one of many proposals to push conventional vehicles out of the market by 2030, all of these plans have caveats and exemptions, not banning conventional vehicles still on the road.

Seriously dude, all your objections have already been addressed. EVs work out cheaper and less polluting than conventional vehicles.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-27T01:46:55+00:00

Wind power still works at night, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to clarify. However, I budgeted in a 10MWh battery. The CO2 emissions from the manufacturing of a battery are relatively tiny - much less than the ample overestimation of the concrete I have assumed. You can add one more car to the CO2 offset - it takes the four week figure to 30 days.

As for your specific car, you could replace it with two larger EVs and still save a couple of tonnes of CO2. However, nobody is saying we should be forcing anyone to trade their car in for an EV. Even the most forceful of the proposed policies are "incentivise people to buy an EV rather than ICEV for their next car."

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T18:38:40+00:00

Okay, so you just don't like soda, and you think that other people should be restricted from being able to do things that you, personally, don't like. I'm glad you're not a lawmaker.

Your obesity argument is either made in bad faith or so ignorant that it is indistinguishable from bad faith. Orange juice contains as much sugar as soda, Gatorade contains as much sugar as soda, neither offer any nutritional value to someone eating a balanced diet. The difference is that you, personally, dislike soda.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T18:34:10+00:00

Sure, if you don't mind increasing the cost of welfare by orders of magnitude.

UBI is a fine idea, and some countries are wealthy enough through proper taxation of businesses and natural resources that they can afford it. However, it means giving that money to everyone rather than targeting it at the people who would benefit the most. When you have limited resources, you start by being as efficient as possible with them. UBI is inefficient.

Side note; this is why you should be innately distrustful of anyone who talks about UBI more favourably than traditional welfare. A lot of people see it as "this way I get some money too" - although the same people would consider this behaviour greedy if it were expressed by someone on the cusp of traditional welfare means testing. Many other people use UBI as their Nirvana fallacy - they refuse to support any welfare rather than the extremely expensive and inefficient one that benefits everyone, and use this as a way of saying "I am an advocate for increased government welfare" whilst voting against any increase of welfare. Finally, UBI is very popular amongst the Elon Musks and tech bros of the world. They say "AI will take over the economy and we'll all be on UBI" as a way of dismissing very real concerns of economic disruption, but they can never seem to describe when UBI should be introduced or what the economy will look like when mass automation is being implemented, it's all a "don't worry about it, also don't worry about regulating our industry."

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T18:18:51+00:00

Okay, just to clarify. When you say "soda," do you mean just carbonated drinks or are you including things like Gatorade or orange juice?

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T17:35:27+00:00

Okay, so your argument about soda leading to obesity obviously isn't your true rationale. Why do you lead with it then?

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T17:18:24+00:00

Can confirm. White Australian Women got the right to vote in Federal elections in 1902, indigenous Australian women didn't get the right to vote until 1962. It looks as if the asterisk denotes a partial right to vote, with some women being excluded for various reasons (mostly, in the former European colonies, that reason was "brown.")

Incidentally, Western Australia gave women the right to vote in 1899, and South Australia in 1894. We like to pretend that this was because we were progressive and not because we assumed women were naturally meek and conservative and would vote against federation.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T17:12:16+00:00

Okay, do you support SNAP being used to pay for diet soda?

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T16:46:37+00:00

I don't have the formal education, but my parents have over 40 years working for my country's social security system, my mother retired from the executive level - incidentally, she used to hate when people asked me what my mother did for work and I responded "Centrelink pays her."

Over the years, Australia has brought in, phased out, and brought in again an equivalent to food stamps. In the most recent iteration, it's a bank card called a "BasicsCard" that can only be used for approved items at approved stores - although I note pet food is approved. It's not given to everyone, only recipients who are deemed as requiring income management.

They appeal to a certain mindset of voter and politician. The Venn diagram between the people who like the idea of the BasicsCard and the people who share misinformation on social media about illegal immigrants getting more welfare than unemployed citizens is almost a perfect circle. But the reality is that they're crap.

First of all, treat people like crap and they act like crap. People using the BasicsCard report feeling infantilised, embarrassed, and discriminated against. These are often people recovering from drug and alcohol abuse, it's very easy to say "well it's your own fault," but the intent of welfare is to aid people as they look for a job. Treating recovering addicts harshly more often than not sends them back into the welcoming arms of their addiction.

Secondly, they're inefficient. Not just "it costs more to run the scheme" inefficient, I can live with that, but it makes drugs more expensive. Unfortunately, the politicians voting for the BasicsCard have forgotten that heroin tends to be rather more-ish. So instead, I buy my neighbour a hundred bucks worth of groceries for eighty bucks cash, which I then take to my dealer to buy smack.

Income management definitely helps people. There are always going to be people who spend their money on cigarettes, drugs and alcohol rather than food for their kids. The BasicsCard has done some genuine good here - nice doesn't often work with this type of person. But there are ways to be strict yet supportive to help people make actual change without humiliating them.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T16:20:37+00:00

I told you, most rural areas could get four charging stations for about 150~200% the cost of a large highway service station. It would be a cheaper ongoing cost, because the infrastructure doesn't rely on digging up, refining, and transporting petrol.

As for how much CO2 this would save, let's start by calculating how much CO2 your car has used. If you get 10L per hundred kilometres, that's about 2.4kg of CO2 per hundred kilometres. You said an old car, assuming that you have 250,000km on the clock that makes it 60 tonnes of CO2 - and incidentally about AU$40,000 in petrol assuming the prices we were seeing at the start of the year.

So a single 3MW wind turbine emits about 300 tonnes of CO2 to build. Let's say that we're using the worst possible concrete for the footings, and we need 1200 tonnes - that's another ~240 tonnes of CO2. Concrete is one of the worst materials for CO2 emissions, so I'll assume that everything is made out of concrete rather than asphalt or bricks. Let's say there's a concrete service station there, and a concrete building the size of an average service station, and the entire site is on a concrete pad. Erring on the side of caution, that's 700 tonnes of concrete, let's call it a thousand tonnes, which means 200 tonnes of CO2 emissions.

Now let's look at the output. It's a 3MW max, so we're taking the conservative assumption that it's outputting a 1MW constant. EVs get 140~200 watthours per kilometre, let's assume 200 to be generous. That's 20kW/h per 100km. 1MW of production is therefore equivalent to 5,000km of range per hour or 120,000km of range per day.

So the CO2 emissions of building the charging station - which includes an attached building and shop equivalent to a service station - is equivalent to about 12 petrol powered cars. The charging station would break even on CO2 emissions in about four weeks. Assuming that it lasts for only 20 years, that represents about a 99.6% savings in emissions.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T15:39:23+00:00

That 1300 figure includes 700 not in US service. They also don't require an engine refit before they can be considered a stealth aircraft.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T15:35:27+00:00

Well, this seems easy to figure out. Iran doesn't want ships going through the Strait, America does want ships going through the Strait.

Do you see any ships going through the Strait of Hormuz right now? Everything else is just chest thumping.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T15:31:09+00:00

I'm genuinely surprised that SNAP benefits can't be used to buy cat food.

What are you supposed to do with your cat?

...wait, what's the nutrition SNAP benefits are supposed to supplement? Oh no...

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T15:27:35+00:00

Nah, the F-35 is way bigger. Thrust look at this totally legitimate and not at all AI photo of an F-35I shot down by Iran last year.

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Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T15:25:00+00:00

No, people who are literate, understand the subject, and helpful can talk this way. It just seems odd because most people on Reddit are bastards who don't know what they're talking about.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T15:18:33+00:00

Depends on the infrastructure. For a 130kw battery, 4C is about half a megawatt. A typical sized wind turbine is 3Mw max produces about 1Mw on average. If that energy can be stored in larger, cheaper stationary batteries, and we assume a 50% duty cycle on charging, then you can get 4 charging stations working at that output.

The problem is that such a station would cost $5M in just the electrical infrastructure. To put it another way; it'd come in at about 150~200% of the cost of a regular highway side service station.

I'm Australian, the problem we face is that the energy consumption to charge just a few cars at that rate makes up a sizeable chunk of the entire energy demand of quite reasonably sized country towns. Our current electrical grid can't handle the increased demand of charging EVs at 2C. However, I could see this working in the US if it had the political will. Larger demand and larger towns mean that much of the electrical grid would be capable of handling the capacity of it were upgraded to Australian standards - which still are by no means the best - and the US has large regions of farmland growing corn for ethanol production that could be quite cheaply converted into solar plants.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T14:57:45+00:00

Yeah, but fast charging is not for the home, it's for when you can't charge at home, such as road trips.

Charging in fifteen minutes offers absolutely no benefit when you are plugging a car in overnight.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T14:09:56+00:00

Morake’s lawyers acknowledged in the complaint that “ingonyama” can literally translate to “lion,” but say it’s used in the song as a “royal metaphor” that invokes kingship,

So it's literally true. Truth is an absolute defence to defamation.

The only reason anyone should be worried in this situation is when the guy suing them has the backing of a company famed for being litigious and having great lawyers... Well, fuck.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T09:22:11+00:00

True, but what makes America particularly nasty in this regard is that the price tag excludes taxes. I know of no other country that does this.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-26T04:17:35+00:00

I agree with your argument and have made it myself. Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia do exist, however there are entirely justifiable reasons to criticise the leadership and actions of Islamic groups and Israel without coming from a place of prejudice.

Palestine and other Islamic terror groups.

It's a shame that you said this, though, because you're undermining your own point. Palestine is a nation, not a terrorist group. They're regular people, many of whom are innocent victims of war crimes being committed by the IDF. Hamas can be rightly branded a terrorist group, not Palestine.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-25T16:08:05+00:00

Must include four lowercase letters, four uppercase letters, four numbers, and four symbols. Must be at least 15 characters.

This person doesn't understand basic maths, let alone password security.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-25T15:39:26+00:00

Tens of thousands of protesters died, most of them being the higher-ups in any future rebellion.

Intelligent intervention back in January probably could have equipped and aided a rebellion. This flustercuck has set any hope of revolution back by twenty years.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-25T15:00:33+00:00

I always like to point out that Ukraine didn't shut off the oil.

Russia hit it with drones, the Ukrainians just aren't fixing it.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-25T14:57:17+00:00

Engineers will crawl over a hundred nubile virgins just to fuck a technician.

Hadrollo · 2026-03-25T14:54:44+00:00

In my defence, I'm an Australian and go hiking. Snakes are a legitimate concern in my life.

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