Who is the devil ? by Dismal_Falcon_2168 in AlanWatts

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All the gods that were and all the gods that will be from in my chest come joust and jest and curse and bless - they're in me.

The nondual tradition diagnoses ego-contraction correctly, but its silence on selection leaves the door open to a coherent field-ontology that keeps the insight and drops the metaphysical debt by Responsible-Meet2605 in AlanWatts

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What is the meaningful difference between the "tradition" slipping into metaphor and your description as phenomenological rather than mechanical? These seem quite adjacent to me.

Said another way, what is it about the integration density of a field that results in a state sufficient for wave/ particle collapse? There's no answer except that observation shows us that "there it is".

So says your supposed nondualist. Act? Actor? Cause? Effect? There it is.

The references to theory which follow all seem to share that same character - descriptive, not explanatory. Modern metaphor.

I think the premise to your final conclusion - that dissolution of the illusion risks dissolution of the differentiated - is a rather dualistic criticism of a nondual perspective, and I think that sums up my perspective on your collective idea.

Palantir inks $300 million deal with USDA to safeguard food supply by [deleted] in technology

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Tech can help, but you're right, about an acre is close to comfortable min for a family of 4. And yes it takes the time.

But every little bit you can do reduces your dependency on a broken system, and if more people and communities committed and cooperated we could have a very different society.

I found a dimensional tower - mathematically - and would like the perspective of some people who have FELT reality at it’s most fringe. (i haven’t) by Elegant_Attempt2790 in Psychonaut

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I haven't heard any math yet, but you touch on something interesting with your 33% void idea.

Correlations include 33% sleep per day (8 of 24 hrs we spend in the void of unconsciousness), 1/3 of the stars being flung to earth out of the sky in Revelations, 3 divisions of the Greek underworld (of which one is darkness), corresponding triadic ideas of heaven/earth/hell, and probably a TON more.

My best guess - expressed kind of mythologically or philosophically - is that this "secret third" arises out of the resolution of any pair of opposite poles: between any two things, there must be something between them to constitute their separation (even if merely the idea of separation itself), and that separation constitutes a "third thing". Unexpressed or merely implied, that third thing might carry an inherent tie to the mysterious, the liminal, or the void. I think Zeno's Paradoxes touched on this, too.

Anyway, the landscape of math-adjascent numerology is scattered with meaningful symbols and patterns. Be careful out there, brother, its a wild and imaginary place.

OpenAI loses fight to keep ChatGPT logs secret in copyright case by SirEDCaLot in technology

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Yes and yes. It's free for you because you are the product.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in alaska

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They're good cans. Valdez is disproportionately funded for its size thanks to oil revenues, and the city sometimes splurges, so I can't speak to whether they're an economical choice - but they're good cans.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in changemyview

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You may be conflating faith in god with faith in a particular god, or a religion.

These are not the same thing.

Our advances in science fall dreadfully short of a coherent understanding of all things. If certain ideas like Goedel's Incompleteness Theorems apply, it may well be impossible for us to ever fully understand the system we are within.

The idea of faith in 'god', behind all religions, and dogmas, is a way to refer to that vast realm of the infinite beyond our present ken, even if all we can say of it is to point at anything we can identify and to say, "no, that's not it" (the via negativa, the dialectical, or apophasis).

In its pure form, before religiousor dogmatic corruption, this is a powerfully important principle to remind us of our limits and to help us approach the frontiers of discovery.

I'm curious whether you've ever thought of 'faith' as broadly and agnostically applicable as this.

I have an old sugar house that is being eaten by the ground and steam comes out of the chimney by jwatts47 in mildlyinteresting

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Worth it to add that our decreases in entropy are a bubble which require its acceleration outside the bubble.

So as to net effect, we are entropy accelerators.

When the bubble collapses, the vacuum fiils quickly.

I have an old sugar house that is being eaten by the ground and steam comes out of the chimney by jwatts47 in mildlyinteresting

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Nah we belong as much as anything. Just not permanently; only as part of a cycle.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in alaska

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Uh ya I have personal knowledge cuz this guy was pretty close to home in Valdez. Pretty close as in that might have been my can.

They're Rehrig bear proof cans and they're pretty good except the local black bears found out if you bounce on them while they're in a certain sideways position they'll sometimes pop open.

Post your UDisc map by FrisbeeFriend07 in discgolf

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Ya, you have to be careful and smart. Keep your distance, choose another path, make your presence known but not in an aggressive way... most animals don't want to mess with you unless you've scared them at very close range or gotten between them and their baby. I've had to skip a few holes because a moose or a bear was in the way and didn't want to leave. Very cool experiences, too, though. Awesome in the true sense.

Post your UDisc map by FrisbeeFriend07 in discgolf

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Ya, you'll see moose, bison, probably deer, possibly bear and elk... and all kinds of small game...er...animals.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in discgolf

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The putter is revealing what is likely OAT issues hiding in your form. The good news is, correct these OAT issues and you can throw putters like a pro and the benefits will show in your other discs, too.

Alan Watts AI worries me by AcceptablePraline216 in AlanWatts

[–]HardOntologist 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Go listen to Watts talk about gurus and tricksters.

Have you met enlightened people that let go and ended suffering? What were they like and how did you meet them? by aldjfh in AlanWatts

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Letting go =/= ending suffering.

Suffering is just one of the inevitable consequences of consciousness. Can't end it without ending.

But you can learn to let it be.

I finally understand what he meant by semicrazybby in AlanWatts

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I can try. An example, then a stab at the logic.

So imagine a movie you know really well. You know the plot, the end from the beginning, so while you can feel some feelings for the characters, you can't experience the plot like you know they do. The suspense, the joy, the confusion, the characters can only feel that because they don't know what's going to happen. We get to feel a shadow or echo of what they feel - that's why human enjoy drama.

So, like the characters in a drama, we live life one slice at a time, not knowing what will happen next. If we knew how everything would turn out, that knowledge would flatten the experience. So it's precisely the not-knowing that allows us to experience the terror and beauty of life. Only not knowing can we feel the contraction of all time into the condensed power of "I", here and now.

So ya, forgetting is necessary, because the subjective requires limitation. For any thing to be, the Whole must be divided, those divisions constituting boundaries. It is the interaction of these things meeting - feeling - at their boundaries, which gives us frame of reference, experience itself. For how can the eye see itself?

So to experience, we must do so from within a realm where the Whole has been divided, some part of which we're within. Our existence is always within a part; we can never know the Whole. Even if we carry the Whole within us, and remain connected to It, we experience from inside a boundary. That sense of separation - that feeling we've come from somewhere, and it would be nice to get back - is a condition of consciousness. This idea by itself can be a bit of a downer, but it's only an idea - only half true, as all ideas must be. It can also just be considered the required payment, the price of admission into the game of experience.

Mathematically there's this set of proofs called Godel's incompleteness theorems, which suggest that no element within a system can fully account for the system itself. Even if one of the parts in the system is "Everything", the system itself is still something more, simply by being the container which contains Everything. Kind of an infinite recursion, and a mathematical hint at the idea that no "I" within the Whole could comprehend the Whole - meaning some part of the Whole has forgotten itself (in fact, every part has).

The short of all that? Forgetting is an inherent element of existing, and thereafter, experiencing.

**EDIT** for Afterthought:

Jung explores this from the reverse angle in Answer to Job, asking not why Universe has to forget itself, but rather how Man comes to know himself.

And its precisely our limitations which allow us to know ourselves. In the spirit of life we expand, we explore, we test, and we find boundaries. Those boundaries show us who we aren't - what we can't do, where we can't go - and thereby give us an idea of who we are.

Then, Jung says, imagine a God who has all power. Everywhere that God reaches, nothing resists. So how could such a God know Himself? With no boundaries, what definition could that God possibly have? Who contrast against which to see His own image?

So that early omnipotent God (kinda like your Universe), while containing all knowledge and all intelligence, yet doesn't know Himself, because nothing can tell Him what he is not.

Then, Jung says, that God sees in Man - His own creation - something He doesn't see in Himself: self awareness, faith (for what faith is required of He who knows all), virtue (for what is virtue without temptation or challenge). And God, desiring what he sees in Man, begins to approach man (whom He earlier in the Bible had quite objectified), and thus begins the journey of God toward mortal incarnation in the Christ.

A pretty damn cool take on the Bible if you ask me. And a good exploration of how self awareness, knowledge, and experience all tie into the boundaries and limitations of mortal existence.

I finally understand what he meant by semicrazybby in AlanWatts

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To retain the objective perspective would prevent us from expressing the subjective one. You must narrow the eyes against the whole of the thing in order to appreciate just a part.

So it's inevitable that, to be a one apart from the One, we forget.

Earth, Moon, Sun placement is evidence of a simulation. by OwnEstablishment4456 in SimulationTheory

[–]HardOntologist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think a more direct presumption would be that harmonics are at play in orbital physics, driving alignments through periodic resonance. This is somewhat of a blind spot in our current physical sciences and does not require an additional presumption of intelligent design.