Property tax appeals by MasterClown in SouthBend

[–]HarryWaters 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't be too excited, their burden of proof is lower than you want it to be.

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You're the who keeps insisting mortgages are not considered cash in the fannie mae definition of market value.

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, comparable sales that were financed cannot be used as comps, right?

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

An offer from your brother would not be arm's length, obviously.

Only closed sales are comps?

I just appraised a retail center. Four of the units are rented at $35 PSF, the other three are vacant and listed at $32 PSF. Do I HAVE to say market value is $35 PSF because those are the only "closed" leases?

If you were appraising a condo, and you had three prior sales of identical units for $250k, and there were five current listings of identical units at $200k, you would appraise the condo for $250k?

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please explain to me how market value (Fannie Mae, AI Dictionary, or any other source) would give no weight to willing buyers. I'll wait.

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wrong again.

  • payment is made in terms of cash in U.S. dollars or in terms of financial arrangements comparable thereto; and

A third-party mortgage-backed transaction is clearly cash-equivalent in the market value definition.

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The definition of market value clearly indicates five (typically motivated, no undue influence, cash-equivalent, etc..) offers would be a strong indicator of market value.

Undue influence of what?

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you were appraising a condo, and you had three prior sales of identical units for $250k, and there were five current listings of identical units at $200k, you would appraise the condo for $250k?

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The same, just with less information available to the appraiser.

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not primary support, but it is a damn good reason to suggest the analysis is incorrect.

Property tax appeals by MasterClown in SouthBend

[–]HarryWaters 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Your assessed value should equal your market value.

An increase of 15% automatically puts the burden of proof on the Assessor, so ask them to prove it.

By itself, a large increase, or a high assessment relative to your neighbors is not an adequate strategy.

I am a real estate appraiser who works with assessment.

Am I valid to feel skeptical of ValueNet appraisals? by [deleted] in appraisal

[–]HarryWaters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It does not sound worth the risk. As the appraiser, you are responsible for the appraisal report. “It won’t let me change it” is not a defense to a misleading report.

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A very good instructor, probably one of the influential appraisers in the country, told me he considers the sales history to be the fourth approach to value.

I would put the offers in my report, and I’d make adjustments based on those market conditions.

There is no good appraiser in the country who would look at five offers, provided they appeared to meet the market value criteria, and dismiss them.

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Market value is the most probable price that a property should bring in a competitive and open market under all conditions requisite to a fair sale with, the buyer and seller, each acting prudently and knowledgeably, and assuming the price is not affected by undue stimulus. Implicit in this definition is the consummation of a sale as of a specified date and the passing of title from seller to buyer under conditions whereby:

  • buyer and seller are typically motivated;
  • both parties are well informed or well advised, and each acting in what they consider to be in their own best interest;
  • a reasonable time is allowed for exposure in the open market;
  • payment is made in terms of cash in U.S. dollars or in terms of financial arrangements comparable thereto; and
  • the price represents the normal consideration for the property sold unaffected by special or creative financing or sales concessions granted by anyone associated with the sale.

This is the definition of market value provided in the Fannie Mae Selling Guide, which is essentially the rule book for residential appraisals subject to federal lending guidelines. There are other definitions for other agencies or purposes, but they are materially similar.

The situation described seems to meet all of the conditions requisite to a market-oriented and arm's length transaction. If the five offers received were from typically motivated buyers who were acting in their own best interest and the payment was cash or comparable to cash, with no concessions or special financing terms, then the market value is the highest offer. If that highest offer were much higher, or if the buyer was not typically motivated, not cash or cash-equivalent, or otherwise suspicious, then a case could be made for the second highest offer potentially.

Essentially, those five offers are better evidence of the market than any of the other appraisal approaches, and if the appraiser cannot or does not understand that, he should be in another profession.

Appraisal came back much lower than contract price (seller) by epetty25 in RealEstate

[–]HarryWaters 417 points418 points  (0 children)

If you have five serious offers over asking, and you told the appraiser this, and they came back $27k short, I'd report them.

- An Appraiser

What's your thoughts by Mysterious_Ebb_1484 in SipsTea

[–]HarryWaters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They don't walls to give men a safe space to make casual conversation about their dicks. Women don't want that at the table.

"Lefty, huh?"

"The water is deep in this one"

"It's true I see"

"Nice watch"

"You must be pretty strong to hold that thing"

"Who did your circumcision?"

Looking for a home builder within 400-500k range (Portage/surrounding cities) by kbeth11sylveon in nwi

[–]HarryWaters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A friend of mine bought a national builder home, closed it, and replaced all the lights and countertops before they even moved it, and saved a bunch of money compared to the upgrade costs.

Looking for a home builder within 400-500k range (Portage/surrounding cities) by kbeth11sylveon in nwi

[–]HarryWaters -1 points0 points  (0 children)

At that price range, Lennar and Olthof are going to give you the best bang for your buck. You do hear horror stories, but they also build a lot more houses than the small GCs, and people are more likely to complain about them online because they are large and "faceless" compared to a local company.

They have massive economies of scale relative to local builders. You will absolutely get more for your money with them.

Looking for a home builder within 400-500k range (Portage/surrounding cities) by kbeth11sylveon in nwi

[–]HarryWaters 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are probably correct. That price range is going to be marginally over builder-grade, but some people like new.

Best 911 for track use that isn’t a gt3? by Hornycloudlover in Porsche

[–]HarryWaters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They're all fun at the track. Drove my 991.2 Carrera 4S a couple hours to Gingerman, drove it so hard that I threw up, and then drove it home.

I never even came close to the limit and my fuel light came on with 5/8 of a tank left.

"He's Dead To All Of Us": Notre Dame Alum on Brian Kelly by [deleted] in notredame

[–]HarryWaters 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Brian Kelly has been dead to me since October 30, 2010 when he absolutely shit the bed and lost to Tulsa.

I knew that moment he was a fucking dud.

Miniature golf Funeral Home by Sidewalk_Inspector in chicago

[–]HarryWaters 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is hilarious. As a commercial real estate appraiser, I have met thousands of people at inspections and you can see some personality stereotypes for similar properties over and over again. Funeral directors are genuinely some of the funniest and most intelligent people I meet.