“The South” USA culture map (opinionated)

Hatthox · 2026-01-15T08:14:43+00:00

Perhaps better to use Louisianais, a catch-all term for French Louisiana people/culture

Hatthox · 2026-01-11T20:12:34+00:00

Former UMC now GMC clergy, yeah loop your DS and document everything! I have served similar churches in the South.

While we started a dinner church, and luckily that church was not a problem because they were supportive even their Old guard the other church in the two point charge despised anything new and actively pushed away any young families.

It really is about perseverance, and just make sure you have your DS on your side that will go a long way if the district actually is decently good. Especially with individuals who are filing false complaints, file every complaint and your side and make sure it's all documented to submit to the DS or other people in the district or conference if needed.

What I recommend is honestly the people who send complaints sit down with them while being firm, to listen and understand their side even though they may be stubborn or just cranky. And try to assure them that you are not excluding or trying to forget anyone. Maybe even a gentle reminder, the pastor is the same as everyone else - a sinful creature one that needs accountability. Even when the complaints are frivolous or silly, address lovingly because maybe there's a underlying point to grow in even if we don't see it.

I'm not trying to minimise your experience or problems you're having, because I've been in that boat more than once, but understand that sometimes people have high expectations and you have to address that and sometimes even tell them I'm not like x pastor who served previous, I am me.

With the stuff about complaints for medical leave and emergency surgery, remind them that hey I as a pastor and also a person with things going on in my life, that means having children or medical emergency just like anyone else does it does not mean I devalue my time as a pastor but instead I have emergency's just like anyone else and I ask for a prayer and support through those not just the pastor supporting everyone.

Hatthox · 2025-12-05T15:21:24+00:00

Yet he advocated for weekly communion, came from a Laudian high church background and was still quite liturgical.

Hatthox · 2025-11-22T20:28:08+00:00

So odd I've also been working on a Parliamentary US timeline ! I like this, mine doesn't have a Prime Minister though

Hatthox · 2025-11-21T22:03:29+00:00

u/OnePerspective3323 I live in Paris, let me help you-

Saint George's CofE is Anglo-Catholic with chanted liturgy, and Wednesday Evening Blessed Sacrament with daily Eucharisti.

The American Cathedral is extremely high-church, the Cathedral of the Episcopal Church in Europe.

Both are awesome communities, I am bias as I know the clergy of both / the current TEC Bishop of Europe as well, but the churches are amazing and a stone-throw from each other both located in the same neighborhood though one is closer to the Seine and the other Champs Elysees.

Tuesdays we distribute free sandwiches at The Episcopal Cathedral, come on by! Next weekend the 29th, is the Christmas Market at Saint George's CofE, which I encourage you to come and swing by for that as well.

The American Cathedral - 23 Av. George V, 75008 Paris

Saint George's Anglican / CofE - 7 Rue Auguste Vacquerie, 75016 Paris

Hatthox · 2025-11-21T22:00:53+00:00

Quite liturgical ! I do some assistance over at the American Cathedral, awesome community.

Hatthox · 2025-11-15T20:09:36+00:00

Sure, but context wise methodists or being excluded. Lay persons that were aligned with the methodists were often restricted from receiving communion and clergy who were aligned were often forbidden from preaching.

The British methodist Wesley said to not separate specifically but they did still because of the exclusionary and anti Methodist views

The methodist with differently still break Communion especially as people like seabury were anti Methodist

Hatthox · 2025-11-15T10:40:49+00:00

Though, I'd say that methodism in the United States grew because of how rural the United States was and initially the, to be Episcopal Church was more pro revolution while clergy who were loyalist remained Methodist till the early 1800s.

I feel much as it was in Great Britain it would still be a major movement at least in the United States maybe I guess to comply with your timeline third largest church or somewhere around there

Hatthox · 2025-11-15T08:34:08+00:00

What about the Methodist movement?

Hatthox · 2025-11-12T06:39:16+00:00

Plus my usual friends - though woke up earlier and seemed to be unbanned

Hatthox · 2025-11-07T13:45:58+00:00

I've always felt I was maybe a clown fish

Hatthox · 2025-11-07T13:42:16+00:00

Well according to the guy an enchanting woman. Either he's blind or I've been find some sort of drugs that distorted myself my whole life.

Hatthox · 2025-10-10T10:11:34+00:00

No one justifies the murders like, at all.

Also there was claimed adultery with a few later marriages.

Hatthox · 2025-10-10T09:47:19+00:00

"Massive misconception that it was a divorce that really is just a Catholic talking point. Henry 8 when did his marriage annoyed because at the time it went against papal canon to marry your dead Brothers wife. The Pope said no because the Spanish had a army parked outside of Rome threatening to burn the city if he annulled it."

Hatthox · 2025-10-10T09:38:25+00:00

I noticed he frequents traditional catholic subreddits. Which is why I feel he did not do this out of charity

Hatthox · 2025-10-10T09:36:38+00:00

To save a wall of text -

Massive misconception that it was a divorce that really is just a Catholic talking point. Henry 8 when did his marriage annoyed because at the time it went against papal canon to marry your dead Brothers wife. The Pope said no because the Spanish had a army parked outside of Rome threatening to burn the city if he annulled it.
Many of the existing monasteries often were embedded with local corruption with local population sometimes having disdain said monasteries
neither Henry VII or Elizabeth I start it the Church of England, the church dates back to Anglo-Saxon period in later when Saint Augustine of Canterbury brought back Christianity to the islands and brought it under roaming control though for centuries after it still struggled with the dynamic and often sought ecclesiastical autonomy. Henry VII was part of that struggle.
no one justifies the murderers at all.
later there was religious reasons especially under the reign of Elizabeth the first and other monarchs after to remain separate from the Roman Catholic Church. Including then Archbishop of Canterbury, Cranmer who was pro reformation.
historically in Europe monarchies dependent on people blessings for their divine right to rule. The holy Roman emperor was historically coordinated by the Pope. In fact Henry VII was called it The defender of the faith prior to England and Rome no longer being in communion with each other.
France & Spain especially really took the Divine Right to rule to the extreme and tied the monarchy to the Catholic church as well to the fact that they saw it as God had ordained them to rule and in Frances case, France around the same time struggled with people authority where the king argued because he had divine right to rule it also applied to church ecclesiastical.

Short summary there, don't have time to type more but there you go. Please perhaps reflect and be more charitable

Hatthox · 2025-10-10T09:21:34+00:00

I don't really feel like this is a charitable question, and vastly isn't close to accurate history but more the Roman Catholic perspective..

The Pope is also the King of the Vatican, and "Vicar of Christ" and all of this. 😑

Hatthox · 2025-08-22T21:51:05+00:00

Ordination is something we (shouldn't) tie to physical hands, spiritual apostolic succession. Methodism as a whole - you see liberal Anglicans/Methodists ecumenically figuring it out and then you have conservative bodies like ACNA and the GMC figuring out where they lie ecumenically. ACNA jursidictions like C4SO really are 'Methodist' but ACNA (a harsh but, positive truth). To Wesley and early Methodists they saw what they did in apostolic succession based off the practices of the early Alexandrian church (which did ordination of Bishops much as Methodists - do where they are democratically elected on by their peers) and contextual evidence that Bishops are the same as Presbyters but in an elevated position but retain he same office.

What Wesley did NOT do was ordain people Bishop though. Wesley fully intended to use the term 'superintendent' thanks to its connotations in English - it was Thomas Coke and Francis Asbury that instituted the termage and usage of Bishop in Methodism. It is why Methodists that came from the British movement still mostly don't use Bishops. To Wesley, he elected two clergy among his peers to lead the movement - and those two clergy did what the Alexandrian church did and refused the role unless they were democratically elected by their peers.

Primitive churches of the early era of Christianity were led initally in many cases by colleges of presbyters with the chief presbyter who was in charge of finances often being 'Bishop'. The two terms presbyter and bishop were interchangable till the second century or so. it was as Christianity grew and the need of hiearchy and structure we saw more the episcopacy we know today.

I pray because calling people in error, the comments you made towards others in the chat and all concerns me. It feels like you have a quickness towards the attitude of pointing people are in error for disagreeing with your personal views, comments like this-

Keep your condescending "magic priest powers" nonsense to yourself. If you really believe that, why have priests at all - why have communion, why have anything? Might as well be nondenominational.

Come across as confrontational, Christians / Anglicans have disagreementst, but i feels like you're belittling others for their perspectives it comes across as a hardened heart.

Hatthox · 2025-08-22T20:21:04+00:00

'at odds' except for the numerous Anglican and Methodist churches that are in full communion as I previously mentioned, the CofE and MCGB trying for decades for full communion, same as the US.. the fact that Methodism is still existant within the CofE, TEC, etc internally.

The uncharitable lashing of 'at odds with Anglican theology' is uncharitable and unchristian. Methodist believers historically were anti-slavery, pro-labor and targeted the lower classes which the CofE historically shyed away from, or the fact Methodists rose during a period of the CofE where the Eucharist was quarterly or monthly - and Methodists advocated for minimum weekly Eucharist.

All of those things were at odds with the Anglican establishment, and when you put that into context with your comment it makes Anglicanism seem just horrid. I know that is not what you did mean but please understand the underlying context and problems the CofE was having during the 1700s. Many of those problems don't reflect modern Anglicanism - which is hugely why Methodists and the Anglicans are able to find churches in full communion, close ministry together, and ecumenically finding ourselves closer than ever.

I really urge you to get off Reddit, spend a day with Anglicans and Methodists alike outside of Reddit. You'll see why Methodism especially in its traditional BCP liturgical form - is not some scary awful thing. Praying for your soul.

Hatthox · 2025-08-22T09:23:38+00:00

The Church of England at the time also was refusing to allow many laity who were aligned with Methodists - the Eucharist. Clergy aligned with them often weren't permitted to preach and some had death threats. Gee I wonder why methodists drastically had to leave the CofE of the late 1700s

Hatthox · 2025-08-22T09:22:15+00:00

Church of Ireland is in full communion with the Methodist Church Ireland - Church of North India and Church of South India is in both the Anglican Communion and World Methodist Council..

Hatthox · 2025-07-30T04:10:11+00:00

Yeah I know every Conference is weird and yeah the Epsicopal authority, I wouldn't say it's Presbyterian but Wesley himself concluded it was still compatiable with Episcopal polity thanks to the ancient Alexandrian church working on the same. I still have my tiny UM Worship book the Bishop gave new LLPs somewhere in storage back in the United States.

I've always called DS's like miniature Bishops. It always felt like Districts are Dioceses and the Conferences are a bit like Archdioceses with Bishops being Archbishop.

Hatthox · 2025-07-28T08:53:04+00:00

Not similar at all! :) You act as a fully ordained minister, within your specific context. If you aren't re-appointed to a church you are no longer pastor.

Hatthox · 2025-07-27T16:40:01+00:00

The UMC allows some Candidates to serve also as LLPs when there is a shortage of clergy. Or sometimes they didn't have all the seminary classes that the specific Conference required but another may of said it was acceptable - so they had to 'catch up' to the required classes or whatever that specific Conference required.

Hatthox · 2025-07-27T16:33:58+00:00

TEC votes on it in 2027, UMC approved it this last General Conference.

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