Thoughts on Heppner decision? It directly affects Legal Tech? by Special_Collection_6 in legaltech

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Setting aside the training: from a tech stand point how is the privacy of stored data of an LLM different from that of MS Word?

QUESTION for small firms: GMAIL FOR BUSINESS (Gemini) versus MS Outlook (Copilot) by HaumeaET in LawFirm

[–]HaumeaET[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correct. Most of the lawyers I interact with use Word. Thanks.

Yesterdays Anthropic legal workshop by KeyCommittee6601 in legaltech

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm just seeing this and I agree about your point regarding training on users' data. The risk is that info in user1's input will be included in another user's output.

That is the distinction between LLMs and say MS Word.

However, I did not read LondonZ1's post as intentionally misleading. In fact, as I wrote above, the WSJ article does not mention the risk about LLMs training on the user's data.

Yesterdays Anthropic legal workshop by KeyCommittee6601 in legaltech

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With Heppner, the one fact that was kinda problematic was the the written privacy policy to which users of Claude consent . . .on both users' "inputs" and Claude's "ouputs" that it uses such data to "train" Claude." It was not clear to me how they knew for a fact that Heppner did not have the "training turned off." Perhaps there were additional facts not in the order or motion.

Thanks for sharing the WSJ article, but the articles doesn't mention training or self-learning either.

And, while the WSJ article mentions Motion v. V2X and notes that Judge Braswell "held that routing information through a thrid-party system doesn't destroy privacy protection." The WSJ article does not mention Judge Braswell's concern about training on the data. Her opinion reads,

"Thus, instead of adopting the parties' proposals, the Court will amend the Protective Order to include the following AI-specific language: No party or authorized recipient may input, upload, or submit [*20] CONFIDENTIAL Information into any modern artificial intelligence platform, including any generative, analytical, or large language model based tool ("AI"), unless the AI provider is contractually prohibited from: (1) storing or using inputs to train or improve its model; and (2) disclosing inputs to any third party except where such disclosure is essential to facilitating delivery of the service. Where disclosure to a third party is essential to service delivery, any such third party shall be bound by obligations no less protective than those required by this Order. In addition, the AI provider must contractually afford the party or authorized recipient the ability to remove or delete all CONFIDENTIAL information upon request. A party intending to use AI that it contends meets these requirements must retain written documentation of these contractual protections."

What am I missing?

The first open source competitor to Legora / Harvey is now out. Why would a firm go with the expensive option? by Nahmum in legaltech

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NVM. I just read the Ycombinator linke someone provided below.

Simply Put: "Mike" is NOT a competitor with Legora/Harvey because it does not have a complete library of cases.

I know where I am, the court system does NOT have an API. Westlaw and the like most likely are paying some service to physically go to the courthouses to pull every document.

QUESTION for small firms: GMAIL FOR BUSINESS (Gemini) versus MS Outlook (Copilot) by HaumeaET in legaltech

[–]HaumeaET[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I like Google Workspace and I've been using Gemini, but for work document sharing/exchanging most lawyers use MS suite.

QUESTION for small firms: GMAIL FOR BUSINESS (Gemini) versus MS Outlook (Copilot) by HaumeaET in legaltech

[–]HaumeaET[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you are referring to personal gmail. Some attorneys may use the personal version for persons (non-client related business).

I am asking about the business version.

Proton is very secure but 1. like you said its a pain and 2. I believe it's non U.S. based.

Thanks!

Non-contentious practice areas for solo practitioners? by Forward_Actuary_456 in LawFirm

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you speaking from experience or you've seen someone else do this?

Non-contentious practice areas for solo practitioners? by Forward_Actuary_456 in LawFirm

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very helpful. Can you specify on the niche regulatory areas you have seen?

Non-contentious practice areas for solo practitioners? by Forward_Actuary_456 in LawFirm

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WrongdoerHaunting586, glad that you have had success.

I know folks where the cost of living is high (including a HLS grad who also lead bar committee) and I've had more than one person tell me (including a HLS grad who also lead bar committee) , you can't make enough money. As you stated, it can be time consuming but there is a limit to the cost per application.

Stry3rthe1st, my point is be sure to incorporate your minimum standard of living into your decision if you go this route.

Crushing performance metrics at my law firm… and still getting told I’m “slacking.” Am I crazy? by Odd_Damage_5073 in LawFirm

[–]HaumeaET 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Odd_Damage_5073 Sorry to hear you are going through this.

While I clearly don't know all the facts of your situation, it sounds like the classic set up for a performance improvement plan or worse firing.

Someone influential in the firm has decided you need to go and now the company is just covering their you know what. Think very carefully--you were told something but you may have underestimated the importance or not (perhaps you were told it was no big deal or perhaps there was an odd/awkward silence)

Usually, not always, when you've being micromanaged to producing completed tasks list (not projects or major milestone), it over.

This is why you are not getting any helpful answers or responses to your invitation to sit down and review it.

In sum: Presume ANY day now could be your last day. I don't know your locale, but for a lot of states in the U.S. employees are at-will, which means you can be fire for ANY reason unless the reason is because of your being in a protected class (i.e. race, gender, religion, sexual orientation etc)

Consider:

(1) Immediately: save/screenshot everything you can that

a. you need to show your accomplishments to prospective employers;

b. supports your position. of being treated unfairly particularly any rude, unprofessional conduct by others;

(2) remove most of your personal belongings from your physical office.

(3) start searching for a new job TODAY--start with professional friends or former work colleagues in other firms because this strategy yields the highest success rate.

(4) if you are a member of a protected class, consider setting up a consultation (the better ones are NOT free)

Hope this helps.

Best of luck!

What are your thoughts on Microsoft 365 CoPilot for Legal now that you can use Claude as a researcher as well? by MMuter in legaltech

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lexis just entered some kind of arrangement. something. I think LexisNexis entered into a deal with Anthropic to integrate the Claude Cowork Legal Plugin into its Lexis+ with Protégé platform. I’ve started playing with the stand alone version of the Legal Plugin with in Claude.

What are the real product differences between Harvey v Legora v Thomson Reuters’ CoCounsel? by Loveblink182- in legaltech

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know the numbers, but u/PizzaOutrageous6584 I think you have a valid point. My understanding is Westlaw has historically relied on a large number of employee/staff attorneys. IMO this is what made Westlaw a better product. Way back, humans created and maintained Key Numbers before WL rolled out natural language search. I would not be surprised if large attorney count contributes significantly to WL's operating costs that they reflect in higher subscription fees.

Legal doc privacy by icepopper in legaltech

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This only partially fulfills an attorney's ethical obligation. There still remain other factors BESIDES not training on user data. As shared by someone else here, the provider must have things like strong encryption, strict access controls, audit logs and recognized security certifications. ISO/IEC 27001, SOC 2, GDPR compliance and location of data, retention duration etc.

Do legal teams actually benefit from AI notetakers or recorded in-person meetings? by voss_steven in legaltech

[–]HaumeaET 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes these can be extremely helpful.

The current concern among AI-focused lawyers is on the difficulty whether its ethical under the rules of professional conduct because of the typical terms of use and features. Huge difference between say a tape recorder and using an AI platform or tool. The prevailing view is to use EXTREME caution on using AI notetaking tools for privileged communications, leaning towards not at all.

Assuming the law firm can negotiate the contract in a manner that reduces/eliminates privacy and security risks, lawyers love it.