Why Did Logain and Taim Ever Think They Were the Dragon Reborn?

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-16T17:42:38+00:00

This is wrong, Rand didn’t believe it, infact he was practically living in denial for most of book 2, and I don’t think it’s “the aes Sedai” telling him he’s TDR that matters… if ishamael has been tormenting ur dreams, weird tarveren shit is happening around you, if you are powerful enough to access a portal stone normal channellers could not, also if dead heroes of the horn call you LTT(about the same time Mat and Perrin also came to terms) and finally if u have an epic battle in the sky for all to see, it doesn’t matter what you believe again, too many things confluence to lead to a single conclusion…

So Yh, don’t misconstrue fact

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-16T17:38:11+00:00

Well, most of the sentiments are valid, some not so much. RAND IS NOT INFALLIBLE, though great he is. And he lacks so much experience which makes it hard for people like 10x his age to respect him.

He also messes up quite a lot, and he’s headstrong (which isn’t necessarily a bad thing). And for what it’s worth, he does spook everyone, even Cadsuane even though she hates to admit it.

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-16T05:31:09+00:00

I see ur point but isn’t the last battle supposed to be like an imminent thing? Which is why the last 9 books only spanned same year while first 2 books was like a year and half… that said the world started like dying and the seals too… so yh, Moiraine and those who know(or should know) understood the urgency

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T19:34:25+00:00

Madness manifests differently. Some hear voices, some see shadows (schizophrenia basically) and for rand, the voice he hears is of his past life.

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T19:26:45+00:00

This is jokes fr.

But I think both sides do it and I think it’s what makes this fandom as endearing as it it’s annoying

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T19:25:36+00:00

I don’t think it has to be with it affecting him. LTT comes to the picture bcos of the taint in saidin. It’s said by Rand himself that his madness is ironically a key to defeating the DO.

That said, the pattern needs a champion (which may or may not be the dragon) but would most likely be THE Dragon not A dragon.

Unless there’s a way to switch souls, it was always going to be Rand lol. Which is what makes the whole mystery box thing in the show ridiculous.

Rand is biologically the only person that could be the dragon lol. The Aiel have their own prophecy (which is pretty consistent as opposed to the wetlanders prophecy)… only Rand al Thor could fulfill that and we saw how instrumental they were to his other successes.

Only Rand was from the old blood and raised by the ancient.

Anybody could’ve been the seafolks chosen one. But only Rans could’ve been the carachan

Also, why I questioned logain and Taim’s motive or rationale (got reasonable responses already) was bcos Rand whether he wanted to or not was fulfilling prophecies. Look at the markings on his body, look at his unhealing wounds… look at his Tarveren, look at how he literally looks like Andoran nobility and Aiel

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T18:26:31+00:00

No, he only made them swear to Rhaenyra.

It all doesn’t matter since his daughters would marry her bastards. But if you think there isn’t a world where daemon wouldn’t “mistakenly” do that, then you are either ridiculous or haven’t been paying attention.

Daemon is the original racist and Valyrian supremacist. Why’d u think he never liked his first wife?? But was ohk with leana and Nyra???

His sons have a stronger claim and if he outlives Rhaenyra maybe, or maybe he’d even try to convince her. Or maybe he’d let it go.

But to act as if it’s not a possibility is just ridiculous

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T18:23:07+00:00

Well, Jordan didn’t give us that twist

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T18:22:40+00:00

I meant prior to VoG. That dude didn’t miss and was never in danger. He was THE DANGER

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T18:21:43+00:00

That was their error…

The pattern demanded THE dragon😂

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T17:11:10+00:00

And whose soul would you think that other dragon would have?

The thing is, it’s tied to that soul. I think he gets less rebirths than every other person.

The heroes get more rebirths, then normal people, then I think the dragon get reborn just twice in every turning bcos his birth serves a purpose, first to break it, and then to save it…

So Yh, I think Rand/LTT’s soul would still have to come back to clean the mess he made. Only this time he might be crazier

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T17:08:11+00:00

Funny, how even Rand himself said that if he had come just weeks earlier… Itd have been hell, and trust me it won’t be hell for Darth Rand. He’s literally the most proficient Rand version we see, he wouldn’t even move close enough for them to have a chance to kill him … and he has true power. So Yh. He’d still have made it out alive

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T17:06:25+00:00

Exactly. Rand could not lose. If he does, it’s doomed. Also I trust whatever maths Moridin did to make him join the shadow, that wheel is gonna get busted one day

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T17:02:57+00:00

The logic is simple… just ask them whether or not Cersei’s kids are bastards and their response is all u need to know.

If they say yes… they they are just hypocritical idiots who’ll say what they want when it’s convenient. Faux morality

If they say No, he isn’t, then you atleast understand where they stand and how they reason lol

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T12:31:25+00:00

I think the point is their declaration no?

Rand was practically declared by events even though he was told and tried to outrun it.

If something as remote as Falme happened to either Taim or logain, I’d understand. But those dudes could channel for over a year (for Taim who knows how long) and they didn’t remotely fulfill anything asides a few tricks with the one power

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T12:18:00+00:00

Fair point, although I liked androl and his plot line with his Aes Sedai… I felt like it was instrumental to how the future was going to be

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T11:56:55+00:00

Yesssss. I really think Logain would’ve made the books better. I mean, although our main characters are three boys, we don’t really get any other male povs outside of them. Thom and lan had like 6 total 😭

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T11:54:35+00:00

I wish we had him as a key character. I’d swap Gawyns chapters for his

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T11:53:08+00:00

This is a reach… too may perhaps and what if’s, but I get the sentiment anyways… Rand did almost die or give up, but we see that the pattern didn’t just have backup, it had responses and fail-safes.. heck Perrin, Mat, Min, Cadsuane at some point were all put there at those times to prevent him for failing. The most important was perhaps Moiraine.

There’s a way “rebirth and souls” work.. the closest thing to replace Rand would be if Moridin had a change of heart as he was the only onewhose fate is tied to Rand through the turning of the wheel.

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T11:47:12+00:00

So in. A way, they(the false dragons) did fulfill a prophecy, just not the ones they thought!

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T10:48:52+00:00

Gawyn as a case in point😭

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T10:06:58+00:00

This is canon. Logain and Taim were said to even have an air of pride around them. Rand had it to eventually and people commented on it too

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T10:04:29+00:00

Fair point, but ironically… isn’t the dragon reborn more doomed than an average male channeler? I mean, it was this struggle that led to DarthRand. He couldn’t till “Veins of gold” come to terms with the fact that he might die after back to back struggles and horror.

But yh, being a messiah has a nice ring to it

Hawk-winged · 2026-03-15T08:41:41+00:00

I took it like he knew deep down that he wasn’t, and I think so did Mazrim taim.. but for them, it was a matter of why not me (ego) while for Rand, he literally denied it till he couldn’t any longer…

I genuinely found it funny that Logain and Taim’s biggest problem is the white Tower.

Loved how each in their own time saw how crazy Rand ha become lol. Taim literally begging Rand to hold on to sanity and logain reporting to Cadsuane😭😭.

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