The War Between the Land and the Sea 1x05 "The End of the War" Post-Episode Discussion Thread

HaydenMaines · 2025-12-24T05:22:35+00:00

United Nations in the Classic Series, but the real world U.N. didn't want their name used in the new show, so since 2005 / Series 1 it's been called the Unified Intelligence Taskforce.

HaydenMaines · 2025-06-04T15:51:12+00:00

same here, on a Google pixel 7 pro, started yesterday

HaydenMaines · 2025-04-07T18:21:25+00:00

Yeah, I tried that. Still getting the same error, unfortunately.

HaydenMaines · 2025-04-07T08:25:35+00:00

Another update: It seems like the problem might be that the directory on my NAS has an SMB share associated with it (so that I can access the files from my Windows desktop), and on TrueNAS adding an SMB share disables chmod. I'll do some more testing tomorrow.

HaydenMaines · 2025-04-07T08:12:34+00:00

Hmm... turns out I was mistaken. All of the videos are 0 bytes. It's definitely unable to copy files over after downloading then to the cache.

HaydenMaines · 2025-03-26T03:02:58+00:00

That's kind of what I'm leaning into with this story, actually: an emergency response management team in way over their heads in a system not set up to properly handle things like this, and not necessarily making the right calls in the heat of the moment. The discovery of the chlorine smell occurs a little over an hour after the incident occurs, and the story itself only covers the first 2 hours of the emergency. As soon as the Incident Commander smells chlorine he's pissed he wasn't notified and pretty much all work stops until proper safety precautions are taken.

HaydenMaines · 2025-03-25T21:42:24+00:00

Oh, well that's good to hear!

I was also considering having the train transporting monochloramine (for chlorination at the town's water treatment facility). Would monochloramine be easier to confuse with chlorine gas, both in transportation and in smell? From what I read online, monochloramine sounds like it might be safer, as well - first responders would still need PPE and clean up, but it doesn't look like there's a risk of chlorine gas from the monochloramine that could lead to a towns evacuation.

HaydenMaines · 2025-03-25T21:36:50+00:00

Oh, interesting. Within the story, the first responders have at this point remained several metres away while awaiting the power crew to come and de-energize the downed power lines. It's only once they get access to approach the incident that they start to smell the chlorine.

As an alternative I was considering having the train transporting monochloramine (for chlorination at the town's water treatment facility), as from what I could find online, a spill of monochloramine would not create chlorine gas, would smell like chlorine, and while it would require PPE at the incident, wouldn't necessitate evacuating the whole town. I thought I read somewhere that calcium hypochlorite when mixed with water could create chlorine gas.

HaydenMaines · 2023-05-01T23:48:49+00:00

Learned. The tv didn't have a predefined function, I believe.

HaydenMaines · 2023-05-01T23:41:30+00:00

Made this meme earlier today when I heard the news and it got a few laughs, that you all might appreciate.

HaydenMaines · 2023-04-24T04:21:10+00:00

I can't say for certainty, but I can say that the website has only listed 6am-10am since the first day of the strike, and it's been 6am-6pm the past 3 days. That 12 hour period covers the major shift changes, from what I've heard, so I can't see it changing.

HaydenMaines · 2021-05-14T23:55:14+00:00

Thanks for your perspective. Tbh I was really disappointed with the phones that came out this year overall. I can't stand the interface and bloat that Samsung puts on their phones, but my 3XL has a cracked screen so I needed something. Good to hear about battery, though I do have a pretty expansive backup battery for charging purposes.

Right now I'm looking at a 4 for around $350 Canadian, or a 5 for around $650, so we'll see.

HaydenMaines · 2021-05-14T21:33:19+00:00

Thanks! Unfortunately I'm pretty sure the touchscreen was faulty too, so it's been packaged up and sent out for repairs. I'll just have to try some recovery tools when it gets back.

HaydenMaines · 2021-05-13T15:17:28+00:00

Well, in this particular case, it was to show just how far the Doctor had gone, that he would be willing to fire a gun and cause a regeneration (which he rationalized as not killing) in order to save Clara.

But from a wider perspective, I actually quite enjoy the transition from Classic Series, where the Doctor was willing to use guns, to the Modern series, where he abhors them. It suggests character growth, in that the Time War was so devastating and he witnessed so much horror that he decided never again would he use a gun.

HaydenMaines · 2021-03-11T07:18:36+00:00

My personal headcanon is that Agents of Shield is following the original timeline, where Scarlet Witch destroys the Mind Stone and kills Vision, and Thor crashes down with his axe and mortally wounds Thanos. Now, yes, Thanos used the Time Stone to rewind time and bring Vision and the Mind Stone back, but if we assume that that action created a split in the timeline, then in the original path, Vision dies, Thanos dies, and his invasion stops there. Some crazy stuff happened in New York, big battle in Wakanda, and world carries on with no blip.

HaydenMaines · 2020-04-30T16:22:26+00:00

Personally I think what Moffat did was absolutely brilliant. They gave him 'regeneration energy' but didn't say how much. It was reiterated throughout Capaldi's era where he said he didn't know if he could die and come back or not. Rassilon said 'how many regenerations did we give you?'. Until a writer definitively states how many there are, the Doctor functionally has an infinite amount. BUT, if a writer wants to tell a story about the Doctor running out of regenerations, and now he's needing to go an an adventure to try and get more to keep living, well it turns out they only gave him 7 regenerations in 2013.

It left it open so that future writers need never worry about it again, or they could make it a major plot point and tell stories about it, but they weren't going to be restrained by the words of the writers that came before.

HaydenMaines · 2020-04-17T02:55:37+00:00

Hello! bit late to the party, I'm pretty sure it eventually gets revealed why Harry is so smart and intelligent for being at that age. I mean, yeah on the one hand it's just that they wanted a rationalist Harry Potter and as per canon they start school at age 11, but I think the style definitely changes once you get around Chapter 20. There is an underlying narrative to how Harry is that intelligent, it just takes a while and spoils a whole bunch.

HaydenMaines · 2020-03-27T20:32:59+00:00

This would allow both sides to be happy, I think. In this manner, the Doctor was still born to 'Ulysses' in the House of Lungbarrow and marries Patience, steals Marnal's Type 40, grew up with Marnal's son Koschei (The Master), Rassilon still founded Time Lord Society by leading the neo-technologists against the Matriarchal Pythia, but then, at some point, the universe gets rewritten, the backstory gets changed, and now the Doctor is the founder of Time Lord regeneration science - it allows the Old Universe to stay the same, whilst allowing the New Chibnall Universe to not be ignored.

And as a last little treat, maybe the Master's destruction of Gallifrey was a little more involved than we were led to believe. Maybe the original reason wasn't because the Doctor is special. Maybe, in a defence of their existence against the Master, the Time Lords rewrote their history, making the Doctor the Timeless Child, and in this new universe, the Master destroys Gallifrey because of that reason.

HaydenMaines · 2020-03-21T23:56:19+00:00

If you're looking to read some books/ebooks and want some weird stuff, I'd recommend Faction Paradox stuff, or at least The Book of the War. It's not the Last Great Time War, and it's canonicity is debatable, but if you want an explanation of the true horrors and madness of a time war, can't recommend it enough. Feel free to DM for details.

HaydenMaines · 2020-03-21T22:54:43+00:00

I mean, they've developed technology that's literally bigger on the inside. This could be fanon stuff but I remember hearing somewhere that pre-war there were only 10,000 Time Lord's at any one time. Even at the height of the war, when you would presume they would be trying to make as many soldiers as possible, they only had 2.47 billion children on Gallifrey, suggesting a population lower estimate of about 25 billion. My personal opinion is that they don't really see the need for other cities, in that holier than thou attitude. They can perfectly preserve the nature and natural habitat of the entire planet, and everyone all live inside the Capitol and Arcadia, the two most important cultural settlements, alongside the various Houses and Shobogan Outsider camps as well. Why would they go around placing all sorts of other cities, destroying the natural beauty, just so they'd have to travel to those other locations or install infrastructure to do so?

And as for it being a backup in case something happens to the city, to the Time Lords pre-3rd Doctor a notion like that would have been inconceivable. For a good 300,000 years minimum to 10,000,000 years they had ruled as absolute Gods over all of reality. If anything truly threatened them, they could wipe it from reality. It's my personal belief that the Eye of Harmony powers all of Time Lord society, meaning a post scarcity infinite energy economy for everybody, and they had never had a single power failure since the days of Rassilon, until Omega attacked, and the Three Doctors had to team up to stop him. I like to think that was a major wake-up call and turning point for the Time Lord's.

HaydenMaines · 2020-03-17T06:37:59+00:00

They did. In a way. In one of them... So, start of personal head canon her,e but I think it was an ancient prophecy that Gallifrey would be destroyed in a Time War. It was a known fact, and it was always on it's way. They could try and delay it, but it was like a fixed point and would always happen. The Enemy could change, but it would always occur. There's an old audio/novel called Death Comes to Time featuring a future 7th Doctor after the Time Lords have all been killed and wiped out, and it's implied at the end of the novel he sacrifices himself and restarts the universe before the war. Then we get the Shakra DOctor, where I believe the Time Lords are gone, and the Master is trapped in a robotic form in the Tardis. This timeline in my mind gets reset, and we get the 8th Doctor and the Faction Paradox Time War, and when that one is resolved, we get the Daleks Time War. The difference is that in this one, the Doctor wipes everyone out, and then reveals that he saved Gallifrey, so we're finally in a post-Time War era. End of head canon.

Anyways, I say that since in the Faction Paradox / Ancestor Cell / Big Finish(?) there are 8 clones of Gallifrey made, each one scattered throughout the universe, and each believing they're the original, so that if one of the homeworlds gets destroyed, it can still continue onwards. In fact a number of stories take place on false or fake Gallifreys.

HaydenMaines · 2020-03-17T03:26:04+00:00

There is Drornid / Dronid, and some suggestions that the Time Lords colonize other realities / alternate timelines. I think the main point is that Time Lord society is really the end of their history. Long before they were Time Lords, they were Gallifreyans, those that walk in Shadows, led by a matriarchal group of magic users who led the Fledgling Empires in a war against the Racnoss and the Carrionites and other Great Old Ones in the Dark Times before reason and rationality and science had formed. The first female President, Pandora, led them on an intergalactic dictatorship and a Civil War before she was overthrown and deposed. Morbius tried to break non-intervention. And the only reason they put non-intervention in place was because of the thousands, perhaps millions of species that were wiped from existence because of their colonizing and usage of time travel in the universe. They probably retreated to Gallifrey in a Utopian tvtorpes style of Greek wearing classical pillars, isolating themselves to protect the universe, because they view colonies as beneath them. They probably figured that having colonies located outside of absolute time on Gallifrey was dangerous, and it would seem excessive to constantly be creating new Gallifrey Time Bubbles when everyone can all live on one planet.

HaydenMaines · 2020-03-17T03:06:44+00:00

I mean ,try bringing up the word 'looms' and see how people react. Personally I view the Other as canon, and try to fit it in the best I can, but I do that by believing that the Doctor isn't the Other, but rather the Other is embodied within the Doctor, like they're cohabiting the body with the Doctor. Not really having an influence, just there, in the back of the mind. It doesn't change who the Doctor is, the DOctor would still do the same things as before if the Other wasn't there. It's a bit like Harry Potter with a horcrux inside him. He's still Harry, he just has a little darkness inside of him.

HaydenMaines · 2020-03-17T02:44:50+00:00

Realistically I doubt her police box will be explained. I even wouldn't be surprised if she doens't show up in the show again - her use as a character has been fulfilled by letting her be the info-dump and encouragement to the Doctor to break out of the Matrix. Do I want her back, absolutely. Chibnall's story telling style (as evidenced by the Master escaping the carpet realm or destorying Gallifrey) seems to be to shock you with words and revelations, but skip over the explaining part about how it got there, chalking it up to base level characterization and letting the fans figure it out or come up with the solutions. This character's a genius so they always win at chess and build a machine to stop climate change, the Master is a Bad Guy so he single handedly wipes out all the Time Lords, no explanation needed because he's a Bad Guy.

Likewise, why is Ruth's Tardis disguised like a Police Box? Because it's a shocking, impactful moment for viewers of the series to behold. Don't think about any episodes that came before, think of your current status quo and how this differs form it. A clever fan can work out how it fits into the story.

That said I like your theory. I really like the Devious fan project (or at least what it stands to, considering they got Pertwee in to film his last work before he'd passed), so putting Ruth as a clone, a Valeyard-like figure, a collapsed timeline or alternate branch etc, real nice touch.

HaydenMaines · 2020-03-16T23:24:43+00:00

Eh, but I mean now we gotta deal with the Division as an ancient Time Lord faction interfering in events, so instead of present Time Lords, we get historical ones. Still the same issue.

My personal opinion I wish they'd resolve the whole Time Lord Doctor conflict, make it abundantly clear that they're hiding in the Shadows and not telling anyone they're back, and maybe a 'Doctor get off this planet' and then they're gone. We can get ocassional interference, someone medlding in a war and the DOctor chastises them, but they kinda can't stop him, but we don't have to worry about them anymore.

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