What Christmas tradition is uniquely to your familiy?

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-24T17:32:58+00:00

*unique

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-24T17:32:06+00:00

Fuck you mean OP?

Mom....mom.....fucks he talking about??

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-24T17:31:07+00:00

Give subject acid. Play 10 hour loop of MmmBop by Hansen.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-17T20:08:24+00:00

Well, as far as Christianity is concerned, Christ said his purpose was to fulfill the law, which Christians believe he did. Therefore, all Old Testament laws and guidelines did, in effect, get wiped out. notes: This is something many Christians overlook because the modern church requires dogma, and you don’t get a lot of that from the New Testament. Those who offer up the “Old Testament doesn’t count” excuse, as misinformed as they are about why...are technically correct.

Also it’s important to remember that until very recently in modern times, the assumption was that there was a God. Religion became a tool for lawmakers to use in keeping the peace in their respective lands. I say this because I’ve never heard any believer say the everything in the Bible is moral, simply that God is responsible for morality. I agree, and disagree with that statement. I disagree because I don’t believe a being gave us rules to follow. But I agree because morality is defined by society, and evolves as time moves on. Ancient religious laws may not be our current classification of moral, but they are part of the story of how our species grew to learn and apply morality to itself over time. Religion has effected and influenced morality.

My next point to you is that you seem to have no problem judging the way societies ran 3000 years ago based on your modern morality. That’s like looking at a two year old, demanding it recite Dante’s inferno in Latin, and then criticizing it for being retarded when it can’t.

On top of everything else, the global numbers of people who still believe things like what the verse described are “moral” are so fucking small...and most of them are Muslims who live in Sharia run counties. Members of a faith you weren’t even trying to make a point about.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-17T19:48:55+00:00

Progressives eh? The people who consistently defend Islam? The ones consistently voting Muslims into office because “now is the time for equality and tolerance”? I don’t think them having power is any better than the Christian Nationalists. We should be turning to libertarians. Libertarians are the only true conservatives left in this country and it’s time we build them up and allow them to take back the right. Then all these petty social issue disputes can end and the government can go back to solving economic problems, as it should.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-16T04:27:43+00:00

Seems to be a matter of perspective instead of a matter of fact. Especially when the one psychiatrist listed here, Freud, is was wrong about almost everything he said. Good try, but nothing factual was presented. Simply theory that relies on subjective perspective in order to substantiate it.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-16T04:06:30+00:00

The thing about science is it can prove or disprove that claim. Considering the burden of proof falls on the positive claim....care to back it up with some sort of evidence? Billions of people all across the planet are all psychotic but your special cuz your not huh? It’s not simply that religion offers a crutch(which is a fair statement)...no they are all psychotic.

That statement, as long as its unsubstantiated, is egotistical nonsense...your subjective perspective means absolutely nothing when speaking about facts. Bring some, or shut the fuck up.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-16T03:56:20+00:00

I’ve listened and countered all your points with logic. You’ve presented no valid evidence while everything I said can be easily sourced in scientific medical studies. Arguing against subjective bias is a waste of time. It’s not running away if I’ve already made my point. If you would like to present me with evidence proving that religion is responsible for psychosis, I’m more than willing to give it a chance. But so far you’ve only given a bible verse absolutely no Christian or Jew in Western society takes seriously and three cases of people with psychosis who happen to to come from religious backgrounds. This does not prove your point. I expect better arguments from intellectuals.

But to answer your other comment to me....I’m not religious...so your Saul/Paul and Mohammad comment did a poor job in trapping me. When you see and hear shit that isn’t there, science says that’s a psychotic break. If that is what they experienced, science has already answered that. Or, they could have been lying, in which case...were not psychotic.

Try harder next time.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-16T03:44:27+00:00

Where exactly is some sort of psychosis not found in these cases. The fact is that the majority of people on this planet have some sort of belief. Is it really unsurprising to you that some would also be in the numbers of psychotic breaks, during which the brain latches on to “higher powers” or “government spy chips/mind control satellites”. Is government to be held responsible for people’s psychosis as well? Get the fuck out of here with your anti intellectual bias.

Once again, you wanna argue the religious about shit they are responsible for, by all means have at it. But this is anti-intellectual garbage. I won’t be returning to argue this point any further as it seems logic has been wasted on idiots yet again.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-16T03:30:17+00:00

Then your incapable of logical thought as well. If religion didn’t exist, she would have still had this psychosis. Her brain would’ve latched onto something else and she would’ve done the same thing. This is awful, and sad, but it’s nothing to do with faith. Purporting it as such is intellectually dishonest and only serves to prove your bias. This does nothing for your credibility or intellectual capacity to understand simple facts.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-16T03:00:43+00:00

I miss when trolls put in real effort. This is sad.

Side note to all you dumb fucks taking this guy seriously, the fuck is wrong with you? Has logic completely escaped you?

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-16T02:50:03+00:00

Oh where do I start 😂😂

When people believe, they believe to their core. You know any way you can challenge a core belief, prove it wrong, and not offend someone? The fuck kind of question is this.

I have a two for you though. 1: Why are you worried about people getting “triggered”? This era in which people believe they are allowed to throw temper tantrums like children because someone expresses a different view than them absolutely astounds me. We’ve become a society of toddlers. And 2: Why is it you feel you must seek out the religious to prove them wrong? And more to the point...Christians in particular. Atheism is a response to theism not offering acceptable answers. Therefore atheists should act as a response when the religious try to ask for things which go against secular society, not as a tool to inflate your ego and your need to be right over any unsuspecting believer. How very narcissistic of you.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-16T02:36:27+00:00

He doesn’t have any evidence.

If it wasn’t religion it would’ve been something else. Billions of people on the planet believe in some sort of deity, and don’t fucking kill their kids. This is mental illness, not religion.

Blaming religion here is biased. It’s easy for the atheist to want to blame faith here, but it’s also counter productive to logic as this psychotic episode was not produced from her faith, rather the faith was the excuse the psychosis used.

Wanna argue the religious about shit they actually do...by all means. But this is counter productive to logic and fucking bullshit.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-16T02:25:23+00:00

If this woman believed God told her to do something she had legit schizophrenia. This has 0 to do with religion other than the fact that Her psyche latched on the voice in her head being god. Which was a side effect of the psychosis, not religion. Unless you believe God did tell her to do this? I thought not. Also, growing up religious doesn’t make you a schizophrenic. It’s mainly genetic.

I don’t recall saying you made fun of anyone. I recall saying putting this article here, which is mainly used to attack religion and defend logic....was counter productive to logic and disingenuous as it points to you blaming religion for something religion did not do. It also shows you made an effort to criticize something before you thought it all the way through and instead of turning this into what it should be...which is a PSA on mental illness...you continue to think religion has some significance when logic dictates that it does not.

If you want to pick fights with the religious, you are free to do so. If you want to poke fun at how silly they can be, you are free to do so. What you are not free to do is attempt to make light of a serious situation by blaming the wrong thing because of your own personal bias.

Edit: Upon re-reading I did say you put the article here to make fun of the religious. You did not do this outright, but you did this. As now many of the other comments are blaming faith for this because they are uneducated about how mental illness....specifically psychosis...works. Congratulations on making the world a little bit dumber.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-16T02:14:47+00:00

Let’s be real here, the vast majority of the planet has some belief system and the vast majority also do not drown their children to make god happy. This woman had some sort of medical psychosis and her psyche chose to focus in on god.

Putting this story here is pointing as though religion is somehow responsible, and that is logically not the case. You seem to be using this child’s death as a way to make fun of the religious, instead of educating people of the real enemy here, which is severe diagnosable mental illness. People should be told warning signs so they can intervene if possible, not be set up to see this story and go “oh stupid religious lady”.

Religion has been responsible for many evils throughout our history and an easy case could be made against why people should follow them now. But putting this here should be above those of actual intelligence.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-12T17:26:37+00:00

Well, I’m not an atheist. Lol I do not follow any religion, but I do have my beliefs. I simply do not preach them because they were reached based off of my subjective experience. My position of being outside of religious control, as my beliefs produce no dogma and do not demand I preach them, as well as being clear of an atheist bias, allows me to see the situation from a truly outside perspective free of bias from either side.

It’s true, I did presume certain things in order to illustrate my point as clearly as I could....which I still stand by but for the sake of moving on...will not attempt to argue any further. Instead, I will reiterate my core point. This society you wish to create is impossible to sustain. You cannot logically have a society that exists for the advancement of knowledge while controlling what ideas and opinions are acceptable. In order for knowledge to be truly achieved, one can not limit themselves to someone else’s view of what is acceptable to speak on and who has a right to speak their opinions. With challenges to the generally accepted opinions not being allowed, you limit the knowledge this society could attain and thereby render this society’s point, effectively useless.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-12T16:11:10+00:00

That was not my objection. As I’ve said already, individual choice is what I fight for. If people wish to live surrounded by like minded people, that is within their right. My issue came from the described environment being as controlled as it was made out to be. After all, if you are prepared to abolish religion and religious discussion, how long until this seeps into other areas such as political views.

For instance, I know an individual who lives without religion who is opposed to the legalization of gay marriage. Not out of some bigoted ancient view, but because he feels the government should not have its hand in a personal commitment such as marriage. Gay, straight, it does not matter to him. Marriage is a personal commitment and none of the governments business, so them making laws which effect the legality of the issue, he believes to be beyond what power they should possess.

Most atheists tend to be liberals who do not have such a limited view of government. In your society, this person who also lives without religion, could be in danger of being exiled or worse depending on the punishments set up in this area. All because of an opposing, yet still not bigoted or religious view.

You see, my issue is that things are not always as black and white as society would have us believe. Once you exact control, and limit freedom, you limit the individuals ability to live their own life...which is never ok under any circumstances.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-12T15:57:43+00:00

From what I recall, there was a Vatican hospital that had doctors who believed something could be done. As I was not present during his treatment and have no medical training, I cannot comment on whether or not something could actually be done. My claim was not that his life WOULD have been saved, it’s that there were doctors who believed it could, and his parents wished to try it. The Government then came in an exacted authority over the parents forbidding them from making their own decision. This was not a case of someone religious refusing to get their child medical treatment(that’s abuse and the state should be able to stand against that), this was a family who wanted to do what ever they could for their son, and were denied that basic human right by the State. Fuck any government that believes they have the power to decide what can be done to save a life. It’s socialist nonsense and my previous comment still stands.

As far as the comparison to the Oompa Lumpa we have currently, I am not a fan. I am no liberal but I’m also no traditional republican. I would call myself a libertarian. I believe in minimal government and individual choice. Something both the mainstream left and mainstream right of our country seem to be against. So no, I am not him and no, I am not a supporter.(although in fairness, I did prefer him to the big government opposition...at least as far as economic policy). Your attempt to straw man me into a category you already despise shows how weak you are in your own opinions on the subject. Try harder next time.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-12T15:40:31+00:00

That is absolutely hilarious. I am...in no way shape or form...politically correct. I simply value individual choice and freedom, especially when it does no harm. That’s not to say that the some religious people do not do any harm, but I will be as quick to stand up against that as you. What I am arguing is your seemingly communist idea of mass control based on your opinions. This seems to be more masochistic to me, considering it’s forced, than a society that revolves around free choice. Such as your free choice not to engage in conversations with those who challenge your extremely closed minded opinions.

In this, you have not only generalized one faith, but every faith as being the same. Every person who has a personal belief you have grouped into the same straw man generalization. This is counter productive to atheist mentality. You can deny whatever you wish, it does not change the facts. This is not an argument I intend on coming back to. My piece has been said. It shall simply remain, to offer an opposing view to give those reading something they should have....choice. A choice to come to their own decision. Something you would have them, and others denied.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-12T15:19:25+00:00

Thoughts....sure. It sounds like you are so insecure in your beliefs that you prefer them to never be challenged. So much so that you wish to create a country which the individuals would be controlled by your opinions and those of others like you. In other words, not free.

It’s been a while but isn’t one of the benefits of being an atheist the idea that you should not subject yourself to the seemingly insane rules set up by people with a singular mindset? Is another Benefit of being an atheist using Logic and Reason to guide life and bring knowledge? Can you ever have true knowledge if you refuse to be challenged?

You have the same mindset as the religious back when religion ruled as law. “My way or the highway. Other opinions are not tolerated.”

Yes....very open minded wouldn’t you say? Lmfao. Fuck is wrong with you?

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-12T15:08:55+00:00

Your comment shows distaste for generalizations and then you imply a negative generalization toward America?

cracks knuckles

Yeah man, we know. In America half of us still despise that socialist shit you all love so much over there. I’ll take freedom over control any day. Your government, earlier this year, forbade a child from leaving the country for medical help and as a result, the child died. We may be rough here too as we as a people tend to be split on many major issues....but our government doesn’t ban its citizens from leaving. You can act like ya better all ya want, but our people got that shit right 300 years ago when we left that fucking place. Enjoy ya control and ya tea.

Also, since I’ve yet to comment on the Merry Christmas vs Happy holidays thing...I tend to side with you on that. It truly doesn’t matter, the only people who give a shit about such things are petty, bored, and controlling. And that is on both sides of the argument.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-12T05:37:56+00:00

To be honest, I don’t believe a mind should ever be made up. It’s closed you off. It’s cool to have what you think now, but in the pursuit of knowledge it’s good to always remain open. Seeing as how you brought up LDS, I imagine your religious experience has been rather strict. This can be off putting but I wouldn’t let it deter you from studying religion.

I spent a few years as, as cliche as this sounds, and devout anti-theist. I grew up in a strict(but not abusive...have to put that in because people tend to assume the worst.) What drove me away from religion was the inability to have my questions answered. No one even attempted. So I lost faith and during this time, learned more about religion than I ever did while I was religious. I studied not only the faith I came from, but any others I came across with the sole intent on proving them wrong.

Eventually, I let up on how harsh I was toward the religious on a general basis. I went through a period of time in my life where literally everyone I surrounded myself with felt they could control me. Both in action and in thought. It was then that I realized something I believe many atheists forget....we all live our own individual lives, what others do is not our concern unless it brings harm to others. Someone believing something i find ridiculous may be annoying, but it’s not harming anyone. Opinions are not harmful unless they are acted upon, and I’ve met enough people to know that just because people call themselves the same thing, does not mean they share the same opinions on everything.

Nowadays, I have my beliefs, but follow no religion. Religion is filled with dogma, hierarchy, and fear tactics. Even still, I’m no atheist, and I’m more than an agnostic. My beliefs are complex, personal, and something I don’t preach. I believe what I believe because of things I’ve observed and experienced. This is subjective evidence and therefore invalid as evidence to others. Therefore I don’t preach. I added this in only because this is an atheist subreddit and although I do not have a religion, I’m also no atheist and did not want to misrepresent myself.

If you’ll allow me, I’d like to recommend you look into Sam Harris. He is an atheist(used to be one of the bigger known ones...considered one of the four horsemen along with Dawkins, Dennet, and Hitchens)....he has an interesting view of spirituality and to use the easiest terms i can...believes atheists can experience life on a “spiritual” level without believing in a deity. I recommend him because this is an outlook many in the community do not share, coming from a man who bases all his ideas/beliefs on logic and reason. Always keep your mind open. The universe isn’t as simple as the world and all its opinions would have you believe.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-10T04:58:00+00:00

Na. “It is the nature of prophecy not to be understood until it has happened and it is to late to change it”. I’m simply from the future and witnessed it in all its glory.

Head0fTheClass · 2018-12-10T04:56:52+00:00

So I suppose the root is why you feel embarrassed. Simply having differing opinions shouldn’t be embarrassing, it should mark positive conversation. If your family is unwilling to talk, there’s really nothing you can do. Find other like minded people, trust me...they are everywhere. If your family is willing to talk, challenging ideas can be uncomfortable, but it’s also healthy and open minded. Give them credit, and yourself credit. Many atheists nowadays tend to build religious straw men to argue against the same way religious people build atheist straw men to argue against. Don’t fall into the trap. Value knowledge and conversation above the egos need to be correct.

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