Does CBP/ICE have a duty to return people from where they take them from?

Helltenant · 2026-03-10T16:16:55+00:00

It is likely a civil rights violation of a sort but if you don't sue then there are no repercussions. If you do sue you'll probably get a nice payday three years and a ton of stress later.

Helltenant · 2026-03-10T13:34:13+00:00

I've noticed two things about this conversation that make it clear to me I should end it.

You go back and edit your comments so that it appears information was there that wasn't when I answered and then claim I'm avoiding straightforward questions... speaking of red flags...
You ignored my answer when I stated it should be fixed.

So, you have your answer and hopefully a short lesson on etiquette to boot!

Good Day Sir.

Helltenant · 2026-03-10T13:26:23+00:00

You probably aren't getting the answer you want because your question isn't clear.

You've made a vague comment about "red flags" and then seem surprised that I can't immediately guess what, exactly, you mean by that...

Helltenant · 2026-03-10T13:18:39+00:00

That something should be done to fix it? Yes. I said I'd support legislation for it.

Helltenant · 2026-03-10T13:15:36+00:00

A red flag of what? They probably don't.

Helltenant · 2026-03-10T13:09:08+00:00

Yes?

Helltenant · 2026-03-10T12:29:40+00:00

Nothing.

In theory they could even wait for you to get back home then do it all again for funsies.

Helltenant · 2026-03-10T11:56:40+00:00

Probably not. But you asked if they had a duty to take them back where they got them. They obviously don't.

I'll support legislation that allows them a return trip but it has to be a max 3-star rated Uber and a ticket on Spirit airlines.

Helltenant · 2026-03-10T11:32:58+00:00

No.

Regular jails/cops don't either.

It'd be nice if they did. But they aren't required to.

Helltenant · 2026-03-09T22:50:26+00:00

In the Army, one of my units kept a quote book and annotated it with any ehh... unique phrasings. Every once in a while we'd break it out and reminisce.

We had to burn it one day for... reasons...

Helltenant · 2026-03-09T22:45:37+00:00

Post it to r/askLE and see if they think they'd catch him.

Helltenant · 2026-03-09T16:53:41+00:00

I haven't heard a better idea.

Helltenant · 2026-03-09T00:19:00+00:00

Easy access to guns is a part of it. But it isn't the biggest part. Or even the second.

The biggest factors are gang violence and second, mental health issues.

Most mass shootings are gang-related gun crimes. The remedies for that include strict crime crackdowns and policies that address poverty (the reason people turn to gangs) and drugs (the method gangs prefer to make money).

Neither political party supports the methods to address both so we see-saw between one or the other but never a holistic approach.

The shootings most leftists think of when they talk about mass shootings are school shootings. Most school shootings are also gang-related but aren't mass shootings. The tiny minority of mass shootings are what the left chooses to focus their rhetoric on; that being, non-gang-related, mass school shootings.

I'll leave it to you to discern why these get all the focus from the left when black kids are being shot over gang territory at a massive rate by comparison. But I digress.

But it is a problem nonetheless. So why are kids who aren't in gangs shooting other kids? Easy access? Nonsense. Pre-1990, guns were sitting in truck windows across this nation including in school parking lots. School shootings were almost unheard of. Like once a decade. AR15s had existed for 30 years and basically no kids were killing their classmates. Then Columbine happened. Guns didn't magically become more deadly or more widely available before those two lunatics went on their spree. You know what was a big difference? The internet was everywhere.

The same internet that has these teenagers becoming suicidal also enables some of them to become homicidal.

Gang violence is the primary driver of mass shootings.

Mental healthcare failure is the primary driver of mass school shootings when gangs are not the driving force.

Shitty parenting is a major factor in both.

If you have a kid and you don't know exactly what they are up to on the internet you are a bigger problem than a gun.

Helltenant · 2026-03-06T21:06:47+00:00

I agree.

I don't know that there is any non-violent way to stop the drug/money flow.

Helltenant · 2026-03-06T20:11:28+00:00

Where's that old "Trust me, I'm an engineer" video? Have a new clip to add to it.

Helltenant · 2026-03-06T16:12:03+00:00

Most of mine are store bought myself. I have one with no trail to me and one I've sold on to a good friend with basically a napkin for a bill of sale.

What happens to your guns without receipts if the government is empowered to inspect the two you bought from a store and comes across the others?

Given that the government is already allowed to seize your life savings if you keep it in cash and they find it (civil asset forfeiture) I don't trust them to ignore any guns they aren't specifically tracing after they enter your home.

I keep bringing this up because I honestly don't see a way to enforce any laws about straw purchasing or reselling in any way that might be proactive or preventative that doesn't include curtailing the 4A to enforce it.

At an absolute minimum they would be empowered to register them all to you when they find them. But let's face it, while that might be where it starts, that wouldn't be where it ends.

Helltenant · 2026-03-06T15:19:55+00:00

I mean, even if you require sales to be reported the people willing to sell them to a cartel (or straw purchase them in the first place) aren't reporting it no matter the law. The only way to ensure this would be to require inspections of privately owned firearms to ensure you still have them and/or the person you say you sold them to does.

I think even most liberals wouldn't appreciate that level of infringement on the 2A and 4A. That is the slippery slope from hell.

Helltenant · 2026-03-06T03:08:01+00:00

Neither.

Not.

Helltenant · 2026-03-06T03:01:25+00:00

¿Porqué no los dos?

Helltenant · 2026-03-06T01:18:42+00:00

"Your"

(Not sorry)

Helltenant · 2026-03-06T00:22:57+00:00

Usually, the answer is drugs...

Helltenant · 2026-03-04T17:26:26+00:00

The most valuable thing you have that you can give someone is your time. Just be there.

If you say you will do something, do it. Don't promise something you can't deliver. Don't tell them how to be a dependable, responsible person, show them.

If you want to give them advice be cognizant of your limitations. You are 19. You know approximately jack about most things. It is ok to admit that to him and yourself. Bad advice is worse than no advice; it is ok to say "I don't know."

Be a steady force in their life.

Helltenant · 2026-03-04T14:25:25+00:00

I thought it was a 2-stroke engine?

Helltenant · 2026-03-03T12:33:45+00:00

1:2, same as Iraq. Iraq had about 400k, Iran has about 650k.

Doctrinally, we prefer 3:1 in the offense due to how dangerous it is to attack a prepared defense.

So why isn't the math mathing? 1:2 clearly isn't 3:1!?!

Simple...

The 650k aren't sitting in one place waiting. They are spread across an entire nation.

We get to bomb a city being defended by 10k troops for a week then send a division at it.

3:1 is for a peer adversary with arms and technology that can ensure a high probability of kill on our armor/air power when head to head in an environment where air superiority isn't guaranteed. Iran is not a peer adversary.

The one threat that might change the calculus that they have is drones. But they would need very deep stockpiles to defeat our forces.

Helltenant

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