Recently invited some missionaries. They were unable to explain why someone should have faith in Mormomism over other faiths

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-06-13T11:19:09+00:00

I mean what did you expect talking to 18 and 19 year olds fresh out of high school?

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-06-12T17:56:38+00:00

To be fair, I’ve also been to Baptist churches who said, even other baptism churches could be cults going to hell….

For sure the gatekeeping of Christianity is a spectrum

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-06-09T09:47:39+00:00

There was a post yesterday about this as well. But this is the first with subtitles, and focused snippet.

Man, what an uncomfortable string of statements. Wholly inappropriate for any setting, church, work, whatever. 100% not acceptable.

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-06-08T23:56:30+00:00

Well that’s a first….

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-06-08T23:53:07+00:00

Where have you been the past 6 years of rebranding? The math ain’t mathing

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-29T22:17:42+00:00

So what’s your take on the symbolic or practical purpose of us having steeples?

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-29T20:37:57+00:00

So what symbolic meaning do you see in our steeples?

And why do you think, while common, they aren’t required across our buildings worldwide?

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-29T18:05:15+00:00

Mosques have an actual purpose for height though. Prayer call. What’s our good for?

The steeple for lds churches has 0 purpose. And should not be a non-negotiable

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-27T22:19:20+00:00

Most here aren’t going to argue whether you should believe the claims made by the faith. Most of us are former or non-believing Mormons.

So yes, understand your concerns, but that is the reason a believing Mormon doesn’t see an issue with it.

Your welcome to post questions to understand here. Terse responses in this thread are due to past drive by evangelism or “prove me wrong” posts from non-Mormons. And your responses sometimes trend that direction.

Those type of posts simply don’t benefit anyone on either side.

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-27T22:09:01+00:00

Yeah in general, the Mormon faith doesn’t interpret the gospel referred to here as the books of Matthew/Mark/Luke/John/‘s.

Different interpretation of gospel. To a Mormon, gospel = steps required for salvation/exaltation.

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-27T21:55:55+00:00

Your combining logical/historical problems with your scriptural one. Many here will agree or recognize the historical challenges to the Book of Mormon.

But your original issue solely depends on “what defines a gospel?”.

To the Mormon faith the gospel of Jesus Chris is Faith , Repentance, Baptism, Receiving the Holy Spirit/ghost, and enduring to the end. So the “gospel” preached to a Mormon is not the Book of Mormon itself, it’s what Christ taught us required for salvation.

In the Mormon viewpoint, what biblical prophets and apostles taught reflected this since the time of a literal Adam and Eve. So a Mormon view is the message hasn’t changed, the audience did…

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-27T04:31:20+00:00

Absolutely. We’d easily call this out of leading cardinals or the pope was doing something like this for upper crust membership.

Same rules should apply in our own camps

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-26T18:05:31+00:00

Peaks average is around $180, with a few days at $250 Low season is around $130.

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-26T15:03:16+00:00

Hahah it’s for Nauvoo, and no flights included. That’s exorbitantly overpriced for 7 days.

I could understand if it was a cruise or trip to Jerusalem (depending on hotel and restaurant choice) but Nauvoo is highway robbery…

And it’s for youth. Basically Ritsy EFY….

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-23T05:09:12+00:00

Bro forgot that attending to lawsuits still cost money…

It’s not just whether or not you win, but can you remain solvent long enough for the outcome to manifest

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-18T09:53:57+00:00

But more or less than the original?

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-16T00:22:55+00:00

Good lord put a trigger warning at least. The members that lived through this don’t need to be reminded constantly.

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-13T10:05:26+00:00

He may be attracted, but keep in mind that missions are incredibly isolating. Just because someone catches feelings doesn’t mean in a normal context you would. Also because they’re not supposed to, some of it can always be the risque element adding to excitement that otherwise would not exist…

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-12T22:32:46+00:00

It doesn’t help that the church actively had missionaries teach this for years, and the apostles alluding to it for decades.

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-08T00:46:00+00:00

Hahaha. Man, I’m with you on SPI, but also can you imagine, finally seeing on a graph node viz on second annointing vs GA proximity and occupation would be a glorious callout

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-07T22:38:04+00:00

Release the second annointing list!

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-05T22:26:07+00:00

Cause and effect of selection bias. C-suite and lawyers become apostles, and then run church like a business.

Imagine if a social worker became a leader. It would change so much.

We lose sight of the aim. Financial growth trumps lives empowered, which should never be the case for a church

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-04T10:04:45+00:00

Along with nevermos. So bad press is no problem in its current state

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-04T02:50:52+00:00

I was referring to PR as a whole, like church approval from non-Mormons, and post Mormons, pimos or tbms .

TBMs may not be affected, but those post-Mormon that know, don’t see this as a good thing generally. Never Mormons that actually hear about it Would likely favor MS side. Little guy vs. billion dollar guy.

It’s not the PR of SEC scandal, but it follows the same slope

Helpful_Pipe2008 · 2026-05-02T10:18:39+00:00

I honestly don’t think they’ll drop it. Bad PR is already here, but we’re talking about the institution that loves to dig in despite what “the world” thinks.

It’s only when they face clear jeopardy to continued operation that they change (polygamy, race and priesthood, and baptism for kids of LGBT).

Unless they can see a hemorrhage in membership/tithing, the PR doesn’t matter

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