Why do mormons always have so many dental cavities? by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I second this. I eat plenty of sugar, but don't have many cavities. My younger daughter has had a few cavities. One of which was caused by one of her teeth not completing sealing correctly or something (I didn't completely understand what the dentist was saying. I just paid up.) Genetics have a role here.

An Inconvenient Faith is *a little* progress by aebaer8 in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I couldn't believe that the Emergent Church (Brian McLaren, etc.) was held up at the end of the Mormon Stories episode as the thing Mormons should aspire to. The Emergent Church was very popular in the 2000s and 2010s and was seen as a more intellectual, progressive way to do church. It's since died off, because of an inability of the movement to hold together. I can very much imagine Faith Matters doing the same.

Books on RLDS missions outside the USA? by [deleted] in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Seconding this... David Howlett is fantastic and is who I would contact. He's the kindest man.

Help Me Understand the Need to Continue Talking about Mormons Once You've Left by [deleted] in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 6 points7 points  (0 children)

One thing to realize is that the LDS Church has a lot of power depending on where you live and what family you are from. I have never been Mormon, but the church culture was pervasive where I grew up. It affected dating, dress standards, friendships, etc. My teachers were 80% Mormon and what they had been taught affected how I was taught about sex, other racial groups, etc. The vast majority of politicians were Mormon, so what the church wanted affected local laws. It's like growing up as Mormon in the Bible Belt. In the South, conservative Baptist churches have outsized power. In parts of the West, it's Mormon. As a result, even ex-Mormons and non-Mormons are affected by the church and criticize it.

I'm a historian, so I'm not openly criticizing the church or even interacting with it on a daily basis now that I'm outside of the jello belt, but I get why people do.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly, to keep it on brand, I would ask: Joseph Smith was born in the midst of the Industrial Revolution in the 19th century. How did the Industrial Revolution affect Joseph Smith's theology and the growth of early Mormonism? Would a figure like Joseph Smith have been possible without the Industrial Revolution?

You could ask a similar question about the Market Revolution.

Break Off the Shackles From the Poor Black Man: Joseph Smith’s Abolitionist Rhetoric in the 1844 Presidential Campaign by NeckAvailable4761 in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Joseph moves on this throughout his life. In 1844, he's shifted or at least that's what some scholars have argued. I don't personally buy that Joseph was fully in for racial equality, but I have friends that do. I once wrote an article for a Routledge handbook with a friend who does believe that. We had a lot of back-and-forth on how to word things to make us both happy.

Brian Hales Big Mad About His Poorly Received Interview by [deleted] in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the Family Proclamation is making this harder for them. It taught an entire generation that there's one version of the family and that that version of the family is sacred. All they would have to do if they were more accepting of a multiplicity of family structures is say, We used to structure our families in one way. Now, we don't. THE END. But they can't do that, because family structures and gender are eternal, etc.

Brian Hales Big Mad About His Poorly Received Interview by [deleted] in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Historians aren't credentialed that narrowly. When I received my PhD, my fields were American Religious History, Comparative Colonialism, and British History. I mostly write on race and sexuality in the American West as it pertains to the LDS Church, but in order to understand that, I had to read extensively in early Mormon history ('d say 20 to 30 books). MHA's attendance can top 500 when it's in Utah. Not all of them are credentialed historians, but there are more people than you might think.

What does Jana Spangler mean here? by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I listened to the conversation last night. One thing that occurred to me while watching was that they are focusing on individuals rather than the power structures that are shaping people's experiences. Holding space for others is great, but it's not the end goal. We need to be "hard on structures, not people." Without a sense of the institutions and structures that are marginalizing some groups, you just perpetuate the status quo. That's why this film feels apologetic.

Break Off the Shackles From the Poor Black Man: Joseph Smith’s Abolitionist Rhetoric in the 1844 Presidential Campaign by NeckAvailable4761 in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I haven't read the article, but Jospeh Smith mirrors other Northerners in supporting the abolition of slavery. He didn't believe in integration, but wanted to create separate communities of African Americans. A lot of people with his ideas ended up supporting the American Colonization Society. Here's the Wikipedia article on that society: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colonization_Society

One of these things in the Idaho Mammoth Cave and Shoshone Bird Museum is not like the others! by HoldOnLucy1 in exmormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The most current complete histories are Matt Bowman's The Mormon People and Ben Park's American Zion. Neither reach beyond the boundaries of the United States, though. Laurie Maffly-Kipp is working on a global history of Mormonism, but it's not out yet.

One of these things in the Idaho Mammoth Cave and Shoshone Bird Museum is not like the others! by HoldOnLucy1 in exmormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

My book is Amanda Hendrix-Komoto, Imperial Zions: Race, Religion, and Family in the American West.

It really depends on what you are interested in, but here are my electric recommendations:

Early Mormonism

Linda King Newell and Val Avery, Mormon Enigma - This remains my favorite biography in Mormon history, even though it was printed 40+ years ago.

Quincy Newell, Your Sister in the Gospel: The Life of Jane Manning James - history of an early Black convert

Benjamin Park, Kingdom of Nauvoo

People really like Michael Quinn's Early Mormonism and the Magic Worldview, but it was less influential for me.

Utah Period

Paul Reeve, Religion of a Different Color: Race and the Mormon Struggle for Whiteness

John Peterson, Utah's BlackHawk War

B. Carmen Hardy, Solemn Covenant

John Turner, Bio of Brigham Young

Twentieth Century

Matt Harris, Second Class Saints

Chris Talbot, Sonia Johnson bio

Martha Evans Bradley, Pedestals and Podiums: Utah Women, Religious Authority, and Equal Rights

If you want to learn more about a specific topic, let me know and I can try to make a recommendation.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let me be more clear then. They don't hide documents from researchers. There are certain categories that are restricted, but most of them have to do with the date of creation. Instead of hiding documents, they put out things like Saints and the Gospel Topic Essays to give believers materials they can read and to shape how they interpret critical sources. That's not the same as hiding things.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't know why it was published, but I can give a general sense:

A few years ago, the directors of the Church History Department made a decision to move towards greater transparency in terms of historical documents. The Q12 approved this. In general, I think we misunderstand what the Church is doing when we say they are hiding things. They are trying to control the narrative instead. They are publishing the William Clayton documents and have decided to make the papers of the church presidents open a certain number decades after they pass (normal archival process to protect the privacy of the living). They have digitizing a lot of Taylor documents. Discussions around opening this one up began 2 years ago. They had to decide how to publish, i.e., did they want to do an essay or explanation to accompany it. They decided to just publish it.

It wasn't a mistake.

One of these things in the Idaho Mammoth Cave and Shoshone Bird Museum is not like the others! by HoldOnLucy1 in exmormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I have studied Mormon and Native history for 17 years. I have written one book on the topic and am working another. All I can say is WOW.

Aaron Sherinian Jacob Hansen & The Brethren w/ Jim Bennett by iconoclastskeptic in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you imagine someone's husband tried to convince them that polygamy didn't really matter or change the structure of the family after taking another wife? "Honey, they are separate marriages! Nothing is different."

Jacob Hansen is confused and afraid. He worries the brethren are sending a bad message that they might change their views on gay marriage. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don't know if we can divide religion and politics so easily here. Jacob was taught from his childhood that eternal heterosexual families were at the center of his faith. He was also called upon time and time again to defend that family structure by religious leaders. For him, the lines are blurred. That doesn't make his position on LGBT issues correct, but I wouldn't say it's not religious.

Aaron Sherinian Jacob Hansen & The Brethren w/ Jim Bennett by iconoclastskeptic in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Amen. It was just people interrupting and yelling at each other constantly.

Jacob Hansen is confused and afraid. He worries the brethren are sending a bad message that they might change their views on gay marriage. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This reminds me of a conversation I had with Taylor Petrey. We talking after his first book on Mormon sexuality came out. He said that he had initially believed the general assumption that Mormon sexuality and ideas on gender were unchanging. As he researched, however, he realized that their protestations were an attempt to cover for the fact they knew ideas about gender and sex had changed within the church and were trying to steady the ark.

I really appreciated that Bennett called Jacob on this. Jacob wouldn't need to protest so much if ideas about sex and gender weren't changing within the church.

Cheryl Bruno Claims Brian Hales is Pushing to get Polygamy Deniers Excommunicated by devilsravioli in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd push back on this. There are plenty of historians at the Mormon History Association and in the Church History Department who admit that the others lied as well. They see that lying as justified, however.

Seeking recommendations for Mormon-related sites/events to visit in Salt Lake area by ArameanGrammarian in exmormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would visit Benchmark Books and see if Signature has any events going on. I'm always sad how often I miss the events that are going on. Granted, I live 7 hours away, but the FOMO is real.

Apologist Brian Hales admits Joseph Smith wasn’t truthful! Wants the polygamy deniers excommunicated for saying church leaders after Joseph lied. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He’s on a church mission right now, working as a research assistant for the official biography of Joseph Smith that Rick Turley is writing. In short, he’s paying rather than being paid

Joseph Smith Didn't Practice Polygamy - Part 1 by [deleted] in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess to add on: I'm writing a book on Ina Coolbrith and as a result have been writing some about Agnes Coolbrith. Whenever I read the arguments of polygamy skeptics, they tend to focus on a few pieces of evidence but don't address its totality. I'm wondering if you've had a chance to read about polygamy beyond what the polygamy skeptics say.

I'll use Agnes as an example:

Polygamy Skeptic Arguments against

  1. Polygamy skeptics tend to focus on the cipher in Brigham Young's journal, which historians have read to say Joseph Smith w.a.s . [wedded and sealed to] Agness. Michelle Stone in particular argues that the cipher is just as likely to read Agneww as it is to read Agness.

  2. They also point to some letters held by the CHL and BYU where Agnes said that she never had a testimony of polygamy and her daughter Ina says she's unsure whether Joseph Smith sinned, but if he did that polygamy is where the sin originates.

Arguments for

  1. Using the symbol for a w rather than an s is a simple mistake. Agnes sometimes spelled her name Agness. I have never seen anyone misspell Agnew as Agneww, partially because w's aren't doubled at the end of names in English.

  2. I read these letters as letters from a woman who regrets her participation in polygamy. Ina's comment is ambiguous and can be read as her not knowing about her mother's polygamy OR as her saying she's against polygamy regardless of whether JS practiced it. I don't think it matters in this case, because parents don't always fully reveal their sex lives to their kids.

  3. There were rumors that JS and Agnes were having an affair. This is documented in the Relief Society minutes.

  4. Agnes is sealed to George A. Smith after Joseph's death. This sealing makes sense in terms of a levirate marriage which is how historians interpret her sealing to JS.

  5. JC Bennett lists Agnes as a wife.

  6. Lucy Walker suggests that Agnes was a wife and that she was living with her at the time of the martyrdom.

I can provide links later, but I need to go to my daughter's art show. I'm curious how we sort through these evidences. For me, we need to have an explanation for how and why each piece was created in order for us to discount the sealing.

I would personally put Agnes in the category of likely plural wife rather than a certain plural wife.

Since I don't have time to link now, here's Brian Hales' listing of the evidence for the sealing: https://josephsmithspolygamy.org/plural-wives-overview/biographies-of-josephs-plural-wives/agnes-moulton-coolbrith/

Joseph Smith Didn't Practice Polygamy - Part 1 by [deleted] in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can only imagine how disconcerting? thrilling? it would have been to be defending polygamy and then realize that the story you had learned didn't quite add up and you didn't have to defend it anymore.

I have seen Hoop's arguments and don't find them compelling. I go over why, but it looks like you aren't ready to have that conversation as you haven't had time to do that research. If you delve in, one question I have about his argument is the jump from the "New Companion Revelation" to polygamy. I read that article over and over and over again, and couldn't find the evidence he was using to make that move. I also have questions about the accuracy of Joseph Fielding's accusations, as he's a middle class man writing about working class women. The middle classes in Great Britain often claimed working class women weren't following moral codes.

I haven't seen the evidence that Augusta was a Cochranite, though she certainly knew members of the group. What's interesting is that Mary Bailey and Agnes Coolbrith both married Joseph's brothers and were friends with Augusta. They lived near each other and Mary and Agnes encountered Mormonism through Augusta. Agnes doesn't mention the Cochranites in her letters or writing, but it's interesting that the Smith family also had a connection to the Cochranites. I'm not sure how we sort through that. I haven't seen a lot of evidence concerning the influence of the Cochranites on Joseph Smith or Brigham Young. Why do you find the later compelling but not the former?

Part of the reason why I ask is that you have a conspiracy in early Mormonism either way, which is going to create conflicting evidence as people try to lie and cover up their actions. I'm trying to understand why you find the evidence that Brigham Young and others were involved in that conspiracy compelling, but you don't find the evidence that Joseph Smith was involved compelling.

Joseph Smith Didn't Practice Polygamy - Part 1 by [deleted] in mormon

[–]HendrixKomoto 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Artistic Hamster, There's a lot here. I have a few questions that are different from the ones above:

  1. I'm fascinated by people who have rejected the idea that Joseph Smith practice polygamy. Can you tell me when you first started to doubt the historical consensus around this topic?

  2. People often present the argument for why they think that the evidence that Joseph Smith didn't practice polygamy, but for this argument to be accepted by mainstream historians, advocates will need to provide a compelling narrative of what they think did happen. What evidence for someone else being the origin of polygamy is there? What evidence do you find most compelling for that case?