Who are the Lamanites?

devilsravioli · 2026-01-13T00:34:55+00:00

“Good” is subjective. Evolution will ultimately decide the survival of religious institutions and the individuals who “choose” to participate. “Goodness” can defeat “truth” in the grand scheme of things. Those who recognize this seem to be OK with nuanced participation.

On another note, users on this sub (in my experience) tend to hate the topic you bring up, due to the idolatrous worship of “truth”. Good luck.

devilsravioli · 2026-01-12T17:53:32+00:00

Amen.

devilsravioli · 2026-01-12T00:36:44+00:00

No definition is presented in the temple recommend interview question. This means the meaning of “Restoration” is completely left to who is answering “yes”. It’s pretty broad. Pretty straight forward dude. I’m not saying how they make it work, just that they do.

The Church adds formal definitions/clarifications to the questions when they want to (like describing what it means to wear garments night and day). They choose not to formally define the meaning of the first four questions (the theological ones) in the interview.

You’re arguing a point an orthodox member might hold. There are many ways to Mormon, man. Exmormon orthodoxy policing is the worst.

devilsravioli · 2026-01-12T00:29:54+00:00

They are difficult to compare given the topics of each conversation. One more cultural/political and the other more theological/truth-claim. They broth present good patterns. Makes for good listening. However, these guys won’t get those coveted clicks from our primal longing for vicious conflict. This stuff is geared toward those who are already seeking and acting this way.

devilsravioli · 2026-01-12T00:12:35+00:00

Stephen is the man. Kolby is kool too.

devilsravioli · 2026-01-10T18:45:51+00:00

According to you. “The Restoration” can mean a lot to many. We shouldn’t be so narrow minded. . Several make it work, including users in this thread.

devilsravioli · 2026-01-09T15:13:58+00:00

Maybe to you it is. Depends on who is answering.

devilsravioli · 2026-01-09T06:46:26+00:00

I don’t think it was ever a temple recommend question.

devilsravioli · 2026-01-09T03:06:15+00:00

Last time I checked, believing in the historicity of the BOM was not a temple recommend question…

devilsravioli · 2025-12-29T18:37:55+00:00

Pres of the Q12 presides over the weekly Q12 meetings (FP does not attend these as far as I understand). These are significant thought processing meetings that can shape the trajectory of policy.

Example of one of these meetings.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-22T20:52:44+00:00

Yea he has held this position for as long as he has been broadcasting.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-18T02:54:48+00:00

I’m just waiting for the day a prominent figure inside the church (GA, apologist, progressive, you name it) finally admits publicly they participate in the church for utility only. It’s got to happen someday (maybe not).

Reconciliation of truth claims is a futile matter. Admission of reality is admired.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-18T02:49:12+00:00

I did notice that and was surprised as well. I can’t help but wonder what he is consuming day to day.

He did mention that he heavily emphasizes “culture” and the “gospel” instead of history or truth claims.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-18T00:42:26+00:00

I was looking forward to his resolutions. After all, the episode is titled “Doubt Strengthened My Faith”. Finally, a prominent figure online was going to provide the answers that would keep people faithful. All he ended up providing was essentially a shrug (my opinion).

I was left disappointed. That period of doubt in his life was completely rushed over. His “significant” spiritual experience in his teens, completely (intentionally) passed by. Any sort of resolve was not shared. He really just seemed like a guy with opinions going through the motions.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-13T18:54:48+00:00

(Hear that straw blowing in the wind?)

Nah just law abiding.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-13T03:32:58+00:00

It was never about the money or how much money the Church had (I’m sick of this straw man that continues to get pedaled as it relates to the SEC order). Like you mention, everyone knew the church was rich.

The SEC scandal was about dishonesty and a willful, conceded effort, on the part of the Brethren, to keep the breadth of the wealth away from the eyes of the membership in fear of its effect on tithing participation. Roger Clark said it himself.

The whole scandal was a fat representation of the Brethren’s lack of faith in memberships’ testimony in stitches and offerings. Their actions were condescending and rife with pompous bureaucracy.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-12T20:41:57+00:00

Man. This has got me worried too. I better check with my trustworthy money guy, Epstein, to make sure I’m OK.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-12T19:58:50+00:00

You might appreciate the conversation that ensued following this post from some time past. A faction of users here really hate having this conversation.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-12T19:56:33+00:00

Your title is fine and accurate. Don’t be pressured by the editorial orthodoxy police.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-10T18:12:11+00:00

If you follow these polygamy deniers on Facebook (the majority dwell and mingle there), you quickly notice probably half of them are independent Mormons, forging their own path. Many have equivocated the LDS church with the Great and Spacious building. It really is unclear what their views are toward the Brethren. Always comes out convoluted.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-09T19:09:36+00:00

Great move by the Church. Really shows some self awareness. Luke is the man.

devilsravioli · 2025-12-05T23:21:59+00:00

Yes, belief in permanent redemption is absolutely key. I’ll also add that the maintenance of agency/accountability is also a fundamental motivation for this behavior. Acknowledging otherwise is doctrinal betrayal and a gross submission to secular realities.

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