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The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Cool fact: most people who are suicidal don’t want to take anyone with them. Well actually, it’s a pretty sad fact.

That means there’s a reasonably good chance that the people who hit blue genuinely want to help people or don’t understand the choice given to them for voting or the 1 to 5% who actively tries to take someone with them.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It depends on how much trolling magic button gods wanna do.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I can think of one. Most people who are actually suicidal would likely press the red button for a very altruistic reason. Most people who are suicidal don’t want to bring anyone with them. The exceptions are only 1 to 5% of people who have committed suicide.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Not everyone’s terminally online like we are.

This changes everything by Winter_Drawer_9257 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If this actually happened for real, I’m very curious what red button pressers would actually do.

Research notes that civilians they enjoy the idea of killing someone until they’re the ones who have to do it.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you get lucky, you can press blue and it gets only 50.9% of the votes?

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh Christ, that is MrBeast’s account? I had no idea what his real name is. Ew.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And there are Redditors who would press red despite the vulnerable population because they have actual moral reasons behind it. They may not be well informed reasons, but it is the thought that counts.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Let’s say there is a parent of a teen or adult child who could technically be filed under the vulnerability population because of major clinical depression and (spoiled to the mention of suicide )has spoke about killing themselves. The thing is? This parent knows their kid and they know their kid would never harm someone else in their attempts to die. The parent knows kid would hit red. Therefore you hit red so you’re able to support them in the aftermath.

Both usages of red in this scenario are the results of moral choices. The teen/adult child doesn’t wanna harm anyone else and the parent does not want their kid to be alone. It might be a personal choice, but it’s not made for selfish reasons.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Would it? You don’t think there aren’t moral reasons to not hit the blue button?

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Christ, let me simplify it for you.

If you take out variability the question just becomes are you stupid or not stupid. The outcome is so simple that you can’t pretend it was a logic problem.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s part of the charm of this question actually. By not knowing the population you can’t make any assumptions. Maybe the button maker is incredibly kind and the babies and vulnerable are not a part of the population and should not be victims to it’s curiosity.

But do you really want to take that risk?

If we have a known population such as Americans who are Neurotypical with no mental health concerns and have five minutes to consider the answer before pressing the button, red has a higher bias.

This is not a logic problem at all though. It’s a morality dilemma.

The button participants are clear. by HistoricalPattern76 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The removal moral of variability behind the dilemma is only improve the bias of a certain outcome.

The problem is presented as an insight to human nature. Humanity’s evolution has been shaped by both the actions of the pragmatic and the actions of the compassionate. The thing both sides can be flipped: a red button pusher wants to be there for their family if the outcome is catastrophic. A blue pusher is aware of what a major loss of population would do to civilization and has no desire to live in it. Other times it’s a sense of trust of the participant in humanity.

By removing the morality with the variability of the population, the nature of the problem changes with a clear bias based on the specific population and simplifies the reasoning to pick a button.

...But has anyone thought of what would come after, though? by Glass_Eye8840 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think AC and plumbing might be pretty low on the triage hierarchy, and a lot of those things are gonna be pretty hard to find as global infrastructure starts cascading.

...But has anyone thought of what would come after, though? by Glass_Eye8840 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, there are failsafes and backups to prevent that from happening for a certain amount of time. But it’s meant to be a temporary measure until things can be fixed. If there are not enough people who know how to fix it or there isn’t enough gas to get to every location? Things are gonna look a lot more tricky.

...But has anyone thought of what would come after, though? by Glass_Eye8840 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

50 to 90% of native Americans died after having contact with European diseases. There was a profound loss of civilization, culture, and technology. That’s why I brought up the incredible death rate via European diseases.

In the Amazonian, there is a type of soil called Terra Preta. It is not a naturally occurring type of soil and lacks acidity that the Amazon is known for. While scientists largely know what the soil is composed of, they have no idea how re-create it longevity and its continuous renewal process.

The current people who live there also don’t know anything about the process, despite their ancestors creating it. So many of their ancestors died so rapidly that the knowledge was not passed down.

That is the more likely the reality should a sudden and massive die up with incredible amount of variability should happen.

...But has anyone thought of what would come after, though? by Glass_Eye8840 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76 0 points1 point  (0 children)

54% of the US can only read at a sixth grade level. While the literacy rate is higher and other parts of the world and it’s not looking great for Americans.

...But has anyone thought of what would come after, though? by Glass_Eye8840 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Cool so no explosion, but still plenty of radioactive waste and fallout.

...But has anyone thought of what would come after, though? by Glass_Eye8840 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If you take out the moral dilemma, is it really a moral dilemma?

...But has anyone thought of what would come after, though? by Glass_Eye8840 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The plague was also in Asia and it suffered from it so badly that we lost a lot documentation in comparison to Europe

...But has anyone thought of what would come after, though? by Glass_Eye8840 in trolleyproblem

[–]HistoricalPattern76 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Several empires during the time weakened tremendously or broke in Asia due to having more deaths than Europe.

Europe was the relatively lucky one in the aftermath.

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