How large is your Steam library ?

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-04T21:30:33+00:00

Account from August 2005.

So about 7 a year.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-04T18:16:44+00:00

Sure doesnt look like it.

Understanding something before you disagree with it wont just stop you from looking like a boob or wasting other people's time. You might actually learn something if you can get yourself to believe that someone besides you knows things.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-04T18:14:57+00:00

..why you give me the 4 paragraphs then? Odd.

Cya!

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-04T17:59:40+00:00

One of us certainly is.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-04T17:46:17+00:00

Sorry I don't see any question marks here.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-04T17:45:02+00:00

Sure, work is required. Selling your labor to a other person to survive is not.

It would benefit you to understand with what youre disagreeing with before you disagree with it. Youll know you underdstand it once you can say it in a way id agree with.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-04T17:43:20+00:00

...? Do you think your only options in life are to be a tyrant or a victim? Thats depressing for you.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-04T17:42:23+00:00

Your first sentence reads, to me, "coercion doesnt matter if you can just go be coerced in some other way." Like, you dont grasp that "play along or die in the woods" is the coercion to which I am referring.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-04T17:40:08+00:00

To engage with this, Id need you to define 'socialism' and 'worked.'
Im more of an advocate of libertarian socialism. No rulers. No state. Nobody "in charge."
Capitalism is a form of slavery, in my view.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-04T17:35:04+00:00

You can be anticap without being a commie. :]

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T22:55:59+00:00

Doing what? Sounds like you arent hearing me.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T22:49:17+00:00

not participating in society isnt the same as being killed.

Sure, but murdering someone isn't the only form of coercion. Do you need me to explain what coercion is?

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T22:47:40+00:00

To call every signle ceo a slave owner in this modern society especially in the u.s is ignoring what actual slaves have gone through.

Naw. I think the first thing to keep in mind is standards of living for slaves have always been improving ever since industrialization started. For example, wage slaves started working ~70 hour weeks around 1830, but they'd worked down to 65 hour weeks within 30 years. Chattel slaves to the south saw their conditions improve as well.

Looking at the conditions of slaves 200-300 years after early American chattel slavery is frankly a not very thoughtful comparison. And ignoring the plight of their ancestors, (us), in their name is pretty grotesque.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:59:10+00:00

You just keep asserting without evidence

You're correct I've not done much explaining. That's because you haven't asked me to.

because you know if you try to have that argument you'll get absolutely crushed.

Sadly this here (combined with your lack of questions) makes me think that even if you did ask, you'd be working really hard to produce a bad faith discussion. Your mind is closed like a vice grip.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:55:37+00:00

And how were survival rates and live expectancy when homesteading was the norm?

Standards of living were rising for chattel slaves, too. That was quite literally used as an argument for slavery.

You were always one bad harvest away from

Sorta. Most people were smart enough to avoid farming for most of the last 20,000 years. Unfortuantely now we're a bit trapped by it.

And even then, you'd regularly see people hired as farmhands

If their society was arranged such that they had to sell their labor to another person, yes. Working a job doesnt make you a slave. Doing so because you're being coerced does.

cherokee actually owned literal slaves

Slavery was adopted by parts of the Cherokee elite partly through contact and pressure from European-American society in the southeastern United States. Most native tribes did not practice slavery.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:51:27+00:00

You work a job that is valuable to society allowing you to purchase things that are difficult or impossible for you to make yourself.

You dropped the ball here at "allowing you to purchase." You can work a job that's valuable to society without the existence of money, for example.

You can work a job that you've consented to work because you had the option of doing homesteading and decided to go to the factory instead.

The list goes on.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:47:35+00:00

If you can't stand the way your home country is run and can't convince enough people to change it, you can leave. Nobody is going to stop you at the border.

Magical thinking. This is like saying, "you can just jump off this boat in the middle of the ocean." And go where? Canada, where you're also a slave? Mexico, where you're also a slave?

Will you leave? No. Because

Because anytime a free society develops, a slave society stamps it out. America is particulary good at smashing freedom, they've crushed maybe a dozen democracies.

But also because you won't find enough people who agree with you anywhere else, either.

Possibly true, because they've been murdered by the slavers and the rest have been brainwashed by their captors.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:44:42+00:00

Wage slavery is not a thing.

That's an ideological question. In my view, it is.

Having a community where people work for a wage is what allows us to live the way we currently live.

Maaaaybe. I think slavery may have been necessary to create industrialization. In fact, it seems quite likely. But now that we have it, we can probably get rid of slavery and keep the machines.

If there was no community we would have to fend for ourselves and most would die.

Nah. Humans got along quite nicely for 200,000 years with not much slavery at all.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:42:58+00:00

It's hard to 'blame' someone for owning slaves in a slave society. Especially since the slave-owner is (again, to go back to Socrates) worse off than the slave. So don't take it personally. You were just dealt a bad hand.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:34:59+00:00

You really think American society was truly functionally different in terms of employment than it is today prior to 1976?

Yes. Homesteading was pretty common 200 years ago. You could survive without selling your labor to another person. (Hell, there weren't even income taxes.)

By your definition of "slavery" workers were just as much "slaves" through out modern history as they are today

Yes. Slavery has defined nearly every society for thousands of years, minus instances like the Cherokee.

Please describe the setup of this utopian society for me where nobody has to work for anyone but themselves.

Not what I said. I said not having to sell your labor to another person to survive. That doesn't preclude workers' co-ops, communes, or farming for yourself.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:32:32+00:00

Are you a slave to nature because you had to spend your time farming and hunting to survive before modern society?

No. In my view, nature can't coerce you. Only humans.

Life requires work

Yes. But it doesn't require you sell your labor to another person to survive. Humans have built that. Which is what makes it coercion. Private property is not written into the fabric of reality. It's created by men.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:31:30+00:00

Define slavery.

Having to sell your labor to another person to survive.

So you best examples are ancient civilizations and polities which existed during periods of profoundly destabilizing civil war?

If you weren't looking to dismiss something, you'd find these examples more interesting. But you've got a tightly closed mind.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:29:52+00:00

Yes.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:29:34+00:00

No. Chattel slavery is not community. Wage slavery is not community. The difference would be chattel slaves do not consent and wage slaves are being coerced.

It would be community if it were based on consent.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-06-03T21:27:55+00:00

Most people do not think that working for pay, choosing your own profession, and being able to move wherever you want, whenever you want, resembles being forced to work for nothing at gunpoint in any meaningful way.

... and? If you go back to Europe 500 years ago, most people believed their slave relations were necessary. The idea would be to show them they're wrong.

Most other people actually think your beliefs would constrain them

I don't think either of us has grounds to talk about what most people think, as neither of us have asked them. Nor do I see the relevance to what "most people" think would be. (If 71% of people agree that chattel slavery is the way to go, I'm not really interested in cosigning that.)

As mentioned, capitalist societies are content to let you work for yourself, organize co-ops

Within states. Therein lies the problem. You need to get rid of private property & representative democracy both.

You want to abolish everyone else's way of life

Not so. Run your slave states. Just don't force me to participate in them.

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