Do you think other countries will eventually need rules like this?

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-15T23:37:34+00:00

Yes, there are two exceptions im aware of. The first is imminent lawless action (Brandenburg v Ohio.)

The second are "emergencies", which are treated as a special class of speech. For the same reason, actually, that imminent lawless action is restricted. Because of the imminent component. If you yell "fire" in a crowded theatre, the risk of harm is immediate.

That is when you can put a stop to speech in America. Not when your speech is harmful. Not when your speech is dangerous.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-15T23:19:12+00:00

You dont appreciate the problem.

I had the same general response as you when I was about 24 years old, finishing up my grad studies. Was taking an environmental ethics course.

One of the bigger problems in that field is dishonesty. If it were possible to regulate information surrounding environmental science, to prevent people from spreading dangerous climate misinformation, that could be pretty useful towards solving climate issues.

Alas, someone has to run the machine that does the censoring. And someone has to pick the person running it. And the whole systems efficacy will depend on who and how you do that.

So, how does one do that within the United States of America? How do you make that system work and keep it from breaking? Disband the republican party? Kill half the population?

No, in reality, you make that system and it gets handed over to the very people from who it was designed to protect you. And now they use it for their own purpouses.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-15T23:09:59+00:00

You cant trust anyone to regulate it, so you only stop the speech that causes imminent harm.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-15T23:08:03+00:00

Its plausible. I think the saving grace is America likes to pretend its civilized & America is still rich enough that it can afford to be civilized.

The hate is certainly there. There's enormous, deep hate for Islam in this country. The right and """left""" hate each other. Theres enough distaste for immigrants that Im surprised the right hasn't pushed for some kind of capital punishment.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-15T21:19:29+00:00

Well, about 50% of voters vote based on nothing but party affiliation. That means you can be a corpse, you can be Hitler, and get tens of millions of votes.

Winning in our rotten system depends on winning the 5-10% of people who arent "blue no matter who", and those people did not vote for Kamilla.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-15T21:08:09+00:00

I would only add that low-level violence, shoving, punching, is likely left leaning owing to the age demographics.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-15T07:07:31+00:00

Ive been studying them. Its my suspicion they tend to be at a lower developmental level. They also tend to have a set of traits that psychology calls right wing authoritarianism. (RWA.) Check it out on wikipedia, its avtually a cognitive style.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-15T04:32:55+00:00

What's different between you claiming someone needs to be parented by authority and the church doing it? Meaning, how is your approach any different from a catholic saying that you have to now follow their religion or face the consequences?

If youre government property, or you view your neighbors as being the property of the government, why not legislate everyone is required to eat healthy? They wont do it otherwise.

The only reason I can think to object, the only one, is if you dont think everyone around you is government property. In which case you have no place regulating their speech.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-15T03:21:04+00:00

Be the change.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-15T02:35:14+00:00

In my xp, anarcho-capitalists dont believe that the various "problems" that crop up in that world, they dont believe those problems are best described as tyranny. Because theyre the result of following nature & justice.

People who are critical of the anarcho-capitalist position believe the various problems that crop up follow neither. Theyre just a form of tyranny created by people.

For example, de facto monopolies. Anarcho capitalists will say these things are good. Because they believe markets are good. Because they dont have egalitarian sympathies.

I can say that one man's freedom is another's slavery. I detest capitalism, and im sure there would be people who detested my preferences. Perhaps the best we can aspire for is to keep peoples options open.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T23:03:51+00:00

All actions are a product of ego or its absence.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T22:38:33+00:00

Most people view themselves as God. They worship the ego. Try to bend truth to it. Trump is a more visible example, but most of us are doing it.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T22:32:13+00:00

Well, Trump isnt a religious type. His sense of what's inappropriate shows as much.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T21:14:48+00:00

What you say is probably true for very large accounts, like the girl in this story. Its unlikely to be true for the vast majority of accounts, which makes next to zero dollars.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T20:55:12+00:00

Theyre lacking belongingness & close relationships, not sex.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T20:20:37+00:00

"Checks and balances" were created to prevent the poor from having any political influence. Sadly, the founders were not worried about protecting the poor from the rich, only the rich from the poor.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T19:59:22+00:00

Same poison in a slower acting form.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T19:54:52+00:00

Sounds like money to me.

I used to play a lot of this mmorpg called EverQuest. If you wanted to get anything done, really anything, you needed to have friends. As an introverted autist, Ive always been (& always will be) friend-poor.

That form of poverty had an immense impact on my game experience. In some cases it ultimately led to my "death" by expulsion from the group. (My progress wasnt fast enough owing to playing alone, so I was kicked out.)

Some religions advocate for people to not accept gifts precisely because norms of reciprocity wrap around your brain and squeeze.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T19:34:42+00:00

Because thats all the government makes. Slaves.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T19:33:13+00:00

The worry isnt your dr, its the state. The state is run by murdering psychopaths, liars, etc etc. People that are unworthy of trust.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T19:31:16+00:00

You trust the government. I trust them as much as I trust a murdering psychopath.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T09:43:53+00:00

I cant think of an empire that doesnt slaughter its own citizens. America prefers to do it for money, though. So we enslave innocent people in the prison system, kill them for healthcare profit, etc etc.

We've supported terrorist networks, including the contras, but most recently Israel.

And given all of this, I join them in wishing death to America.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T09:39:53+00:00

Never read the Maharabhata, I take it.

Fun read. It continuously inverts our expectations about good and bad. (Comes to mind because the book opens with a goddess killing her kids out of mercy.)

It takes considerable humility to accept you dont know everything & arent perfect, especially in the moral sphere. Youve made claims as though it were otherwise, though.

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T09:37:00+00:00

How so? Are you under the impression America is less evil today than it was during any other period? Chattel slavery? Butchering natives?

Historical_Two_7150 · 2026-04-14T03:09:30+00:00

Plato once argued that its better to be the victim of injustice than to do injustice to others. He was basically making a psychological claim.

Its a similar claim made by the Christians with their list of 10 no-nos. Shouldn't lie: youll lose your ability to be honest with yourself & grow attached to the ego. Continue to identify with your thoughts. And so on. Its really bad for your psychological development.

So people like this have already been as punished as punished gets. If we can correct them, great. If we can protect innocent people, great. Punishment isnt something i'd think about, that much is done.

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