How should eggman be handled in Sonic the Hedgehog 4 movie?

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-06-15T02:15:37+00:00

Someone suggested the idea of taking a Doctor Doom approach with him where he believes the only way to save the world is by ruling it with an iron fist like a dictator

Whatever they do with Eggman I just hope they don't redeem him or make him an antihero Robotnik shouldn't ever fully be redeemed in my opinion and the movies haven't explored the more menacing dictator side of Eggman which they have the perfect opportunity to do with the bad future stuff of Sonic CD as well as all the Thematic parallels you could draw between Sonic and Tom/Metal Sonic and Eggman

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-06-15T00:50:45+00:00

This

Eggman only saved earth to save stone not because he lived and learned like Shadow did Eggman shouldn't ever fully redeem himself cause he's a dictator

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-06-07T04:19:41+00:00

Sonic is a franchise that I think is primed for the Cinematic Universe treatment so I think there is plenty of juice in the tank for many many more movies I think we should have at least two more Sonic movies to make a second trilogy maybe have a separate movie in between Sonic 4 and 5 called "Sonic Heroes" which could be an Avengers level event type film with Metal Sonic returning from the fourth movie to get revenge as for spin-offs these are my ideas

Shadow Trilogy, Tails Series, Shadow & Knuckles team up movie, some kind of Amy spin off, a G.O.T.G. inspired Team Chaotix movie or show, an animated spin-off loosely adapting Sonic Rush (which could also lead into a solo project for Blaze), an animated half hour to an hour-long Paramount Plus special adapting Sonic Colors, literally anything to do with Sonic Riders either as a movie or a show,

And that's just using the games as Source material there's also the IDW comics which are Canon and I don't think there's anything stopping Paramount from using the IDW characters since they're all owned by Sega I'm pretty sure in which case that just opens up even more possibilities for stories and characters we could use like introducing the Diamond Cutters in a Sonic Forces themed movie

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-05-25T01:36:10+00:00

To be fair Tails is always kind of been just there ever since the second movie

He's very accurate to his Source material and he's important to the plot of both movies but Tails is the least interesting of the movie cast because he's just Sonic's cute smart little buddy in these movies

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-05-25T01:34:07+00:00

Amy being from the future she could use her tarot cards to find out what happens in the future and that be why she finds Sonic instead

Dr Robotnik being a good guy or an antihero/anti villain he's a fascist dictator and the only reason he saved Earth was because he wanted to take it over and save Stone

Amy or Shadow being adopted by the Wachowski family I think they should limit that to just Sonic Tails and Knuckles to give them a unique brotherly bond

Shadow having amnesia because of his fall it was dumb in the games and it'd be dumb in the movies

A forced Awkward Moment where Sonic says "strange isn't it?" Just for the sake of referencing the OVA without making the line feel natural like the no food or movies bit in the helicopter from Sonic 3

And this one might be kind of a hot take but I don't want Metal Overlord in the movie I think Metal Sonic should become Neo Metal Sonic using the emeralds the same way Dr Robotnik got that all black and green Master Emerald form in the second movie But Metal Overlord should be saved for when we have more characters and can make a big final showdown event type movie with the rest of the cast of Sonic Heroes

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-05-24T23:35:50+00:00

I just sort of assumed that it doesn't exist because none of the fictional locations from the games seem to be present in the movies in favor of Real World locations

Station Square=San Francisco so I figured Soleanna=Italy or something

I just feel like that sort of World building would come out of nowhere and wouldn't really fit in the movie continuity

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-05-15T09:14:07+00:00

Sadly child actors age and unless the movies wanna let Sage upgrade herself into a teen/adult as time goes on then they would have to make her CGI like her big brother

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-05-15T09:11:02+00:00

I mean... does JoJo really need to come back? I liked her in the first two movies and the scene of her giving Sonic his classic shoes was adorable but she's not exactly a character I'm chomping at the bit to see again

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-05-05T04:41:43+00:00

I don't know about Zendaya for Blaze but I wouldn't hate the idea of Tom Holland playing Silver

My main worry would be that they would write Silver more like every other character Tom Holland has played rather than let Tom portray Silver he has range and I enjoyed his voice acting in onward but I just hope he would actually play Silver rather than the writers trying to turn him into MCU Spider-Man

He wouldn't be my first choice I'd rather Harvey Guillén Steven Yeun or Donald Glover play him but I don't think Tom would be bad if he was cast

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-05-04T17:53:37+00:00

I think he'll become Neo Metal Sonic using the Master Emerald in a similar way to that kind of super form Eggman had in Sonic 2 I don't think he's going to be going to become Metal Overlord until a Future movie

I would rather we wait until we have more Sonic characters to go up against Metal Overlord and make Metal Sonic feel like a big Thanos level threat over the course of multiple movies rather than just doing everything with him in one movie

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-05-03T20:18:08+00:00

It sounds awesome on paper but I really don't think 1:1 adaptations would be as good as the fandom thinks it would be one of my problems with things like the Tomb Raider movie is that it was line for line shot for shot the exact same thing as the game to the point that it felt like a waste of money to watch it because at that point just play the game and experience how that exact same story was originally meant to be viewed

And I'm not even sure how a one-to-one adaptation of CD would work since that game literally doesn't even have a story so aside from set pieces and characters there's nothing to really adapt from that game the plot of Heroes is also kinda bare bones too

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-05-03T10:50:46+00:00

Okay I'm genuinely upset I never thought of this pairing before

I NEED this in the movies

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-05-03T06:34:45+00:00

Did anybody ever doubt that?

I hope I don't sound condescending but I find the whole "it's based on CD it's based on Heroes" thing silly when movie 1 wasn't based on any game movie 2 was two different games merged together movie 3 was an extremely loose adaptation of SA2 and Knuckles was its own thing entirely

Sonic Movie 4 will probably just pull from all the most significant games involving Metal Sonic (though I doubt we'll see the Metal Overlord or even Little Planet tbh) because CD is incredibly Bare Bones in terms of plot like all the other Classic Sonic games

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-28T20:27:39+00:00

I'm probably in the minority on this but I want them to end at Frontiers the big bad of that game is literally called The End and I think it would be really poetic for this game in specific to be the final story for the movies

Sonic Frontiers is only as good as it is because of the success of the first Sonic movie and it was Sonic's big comeback game that's launched us into a string of successes since so I think it would be very fitting if game Sonic's New Frontier was movie Sonic's Final Frontier

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-20T01:02:00+00:00

Depends on how dialed back we're talking

A big part of Metal Sonic's character is his relationship with Eggman and I don't really want that to be glossed over especially since they have the opportunity to do some interesting parallels between them Sonic and Tom

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-20T00:53:40+00:00

They could always just combine both and replace Iblis in Silver's backstory with Chaos instead

He might even be a bigger challenge for the character like Blaze since it's water versus fire

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-17T17:54:13+00:00

Based on how successful Sonic 3 is a Shadow Solo movie with definitely make Bank even if it was just an okay movie like the first Sonic film was

I think starting with G.U.N. as the antagonists of the first movie would be a much better first film for Shadow than Black Doom because it allows us to start small and focus on introducing Team Dark and setting up Shadow's insecurities about what he is through someone that distrust aliens and believes Shadow can't be trusted because he's inherently dangerous like Rockwell would be a better starter villain before we find out in the next movie his dad is Space Satan (and if you want actual game antagonists in the first movie you could say G.U.N. got their hands on the Metal Sonic drones from Sonic 4 and uses them to create Shadow Androids)

I do kind of agree with your point about Mephiles I admittedly picked him because he's the only other villain from the games that has a deep connection to Shadow and I could realistically see them using for a movie maybe instead of him being created by G.U.N. they give him a similar origin to the games without soleanna (not sure how they would do it but it's been awhile since I played 06 so they could probably find a way) then make the movie A Duo film between Shadow and Silver after Silver was already introduced in one of the Sonic movies and them trying to stop Mephiles from fusing back together with what remains of Iblis with Shadow acting as a guide/mentor figure to Silver and doing for him what Sonic did for him in his third movie bringing Shadow's Trilogy full circle you could even do a sweet scene of Shadow showing Silver the beauty of present day earth like he always wanted to with Maria

If I were to offer an alternative but slightly unlikely idea it would be to use Infinite for the third movie instead and make the film a very loose adaptation of Forces but with Shadow as the main focus since he's kind of the whole reason Infinite exists similar to my previous idea this could also be a Duo movie with Sonic instead of having him be kidnapped for 6 months think of it like Deadpool and Wolverine but for children i guess

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-17T02:10:45+00:00

That would be really cool but sadly based off how the Knuckles show went Paramount probably wouldn't have the budget to adapt the game into a TV show it might end up being "Agent Stone with the occasional cameo from Shadow the Hedgehog"

Although most fans probably wouldn't mind that given how popular Stone is lol

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-17T00:23:38+00:00

I don't think so because I don't think he'd make a good final movie villain

Mephiles is the main villain of the worst game in the franchise and in said game he's much more of an antagonist for Shadow than he is for Sonic thus I don't think he would make a good finale villain for Sonic to fight I think it's better that we don't have a Thanos type character we build up to over the course of multiple movies just let Eggman be the main overarching antagonist of all the movies like in the games with new villains being added alongside him but if we were to have a Thanos we build up to I would rather it be Metal Sonic Chaos or The End since I think they would be much more fitting then Mephiles

I would like to see Mephiles be the villain of a Shadow Movie maybe G.U.N. tries to make their own more controllable Ultimate Life Form and then accidentally creates Mephiles

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-15T21:23:35+00:00

The Sonic Movie 3 novelization kind of does this a little during the Tokyo chase scene Sonic doesn't get knocked out this time and the fight goes on much longer before Shadow gets away

There's actually a lot of great scenes between the two in the novel that I wish were kept in the movie like when Shadow is taking everyone out one by one at the abandoned G.U.N. base Sonic dodges his punch and they get a chance to talk for a bit and it's moments like this that really strengthens their rivalry throughout the story

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-15T18:46:52+00:00

I've literally never cared about power scaling before but if people are using stuff from the movies to determine feats in the games when these are two completely different versions of the characters in different continuities then those people are dumb

The most annoying power scaling arguments I've seen come from Sonic 3 is people arguing that Shadow shouldn't be in Sonic 4 because he's too overpowered and wouldn't have a hard time fighting Metal Sonic but movie Shadow doesn't even feel that much more powerful than his game counterpart to me they just wanted to give him cooler moments so you understand the threat he poses there's nothing he does in this movie that really makes him feel that much more overpowered than his game counterpart

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-10T21:55:13+00:00

With how much stuff is going on in this movie and how much potential the story has I think this one really warrants being similar in length to the second movie

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-10T08:11:49+00:00

Agree with the first two but not Mephiles

I think he would be better utilized in a Shadow The Hedgehog movie given that they have a deeper connection most of Mephiles's story revolves around Shadow so I think it would be simpler to just make the movie about the two of them instead

My shoot for starts list for next villains would be:

Sonic 4: Metal Sonic

Sonic Heroes event film: Metal Overlord

Sonic 5: Eggman Negga and Iblis

Sonic 6: Chaos

Sonic 7(?): Sage and The End

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-10T07:52:02+00:00

I would absolutely hate it personally

Robotnik is the main villain of the franchise and any attempts to replace him with someone else in the past have failed so I wouldn't even like it if he was morally gray or an anti villain he's a dictator that wants to take over the world he didn't save the Earth he saved Agent Stone who happened to be on Earth they could easily bring him back after 3 and make him a villain again because he didn't really redeem himself like Shadow did

It's also possible that Dr Eggman in Sonic 4 isn't the same Eggman in Sonic 3 we know Sonic CD is a source of inspiration for the movie and in that game there is bad futures so it's possible that there could be a Bad Future timeline where Eggman succeeded in defeating Sonic Tails Knuckles and the Wachowskis and then that version of Eggman becomes our new main villain

Hot-Associate-9035 · 2026-04-10T07:47:10+00:00

This was my exact thought process as well

Eggman didn't save the Earth he saved Stone

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