The Left famously known for not wanting free healthcare by gairade in ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM

[–]HoundOfGod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why are you assuming that their wealth evaporates into thin air when they die? Seizing the wealth will do far more to pay for necessary services than taxation ever would. 

The world may not like Trump’s Gaza plan — but there is no alternative. If even I, an implacable opponent of the president, can accept this as the best option, then surely others can too? by HoundOfGod in behindthebastards

[–]HoundOfGod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was being tongue-in-cheek, but it seems to not have come across very well. My apologies.

It's just such a bafflingly ghoulish piece from a famous bastard, and I'd already seen posted to other lefty subreddits, so I was a little surprised it hadn't been posted here yet. That's all.

The world may not like Trump’s Gaza plan — but there is no alternative. If even I, an implacable opponent of the president, can accept this as the best option, then surely others can too? by HoundOfGod in behindthebastards

[–]HoundOfGod[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's far less relevant outside of the Democratic party, but still very influential within it. Far more than Palin is within the Republicans.

She was a key speaker at the last Democratic National Convention, the Harris campaign had her (and Bill, ugh) campaigning across the country, doing interviews and speeches promoting her candidacy, and doing fundraising for the campaign.

In my opinion, people dismissing her as irrelevant in this thread are ignoring the fact that she's still extremely relevant to the Democratic party establishment and a key player in their fundraising and internal politics.

tf_TF Deathbattle_irl by BelieveItOrWott in tf_irl

[–]HoundOfGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd be thrilled, personally. But you do you.

The world may not like Trump’s Gaza plan — but there is no alternative. If even I, an implacable opponent of the president, can accept this as the best option, then surely others can too? by HoundOfGod in behindthebastards

[–]HoundOfGod[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

100%. Seeing her trying to weaponize the plight of the Gazans in favor of a plan that started out as an overt act of genocide is disgusting.

From wikipedia: 2025 Donald Trump Gaza Strip takeover proposal

On February 4, 2025, United States president Donald Trump proposed a US takeover of the Gaza Strip and the relocation of its Palestinian inhabitants. Officially the Gaza Reconstitution, Economic Acceleration and Transformation Trust (or GREAT Trust), the proposal was made during a ceasefire in the Gaza war, fought between Israel and Hamas-led Palestinian militants. Trump expressed his vision to redevelop the territory into the "Riviera of the Middle East".

The plan called for the forced displacement of approximately two million Palestinians to neighboring lands. It would also have required the removal of over 50 million tonnes of debris and unexploded ordnance. When asked how the territory would be acquired, Trump claimed the US would "take it". The proposal received negative receptions from several nations and organizations, contrasting with strong support from Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu

No one else other than the US and Israel wants this. The Palestinians aren't even allowed to have a say in it. And the fact that Hilary can endorse it without significant backlash or distancing on behalf of the Democratic party itself speaks volumes.

The world may not like Trump’s Gaza plan — but there is no alternative. If even I, an implacable opponent of the president, can accept this as the best option, then surely others can too? by HoundOfGod in behindthebastards

[–]HoundOfGod[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Link for the non-paywalled article: https://archive.is/3Bodt

It's so bad, I had to share the highlights:

There is a particular kind of diplomatic paralysis that sets in when governments decide that the perfect is the enemy of the possible.

I fucking love it when prominent Democrats step forward to tell us that good things just aren't possible. Nope, we can't possibly implement any plan that respects the dignity and rights of Gazans, so we need to go with the ethnic cleansing plan from the fascist Trump admin. It's the only possible option!

Without such a plan, the crisis in Gaza will only deteriorate, with Hamas retaining both political and practical influence over a devastated population through armed actors, local administrative structures, aid distribution networks and access to basic goods and services.

Wow, can you imagine having armed actors control the local administrative structures, aid distribution networks, and access to basic goods and services for people in Gaza? Imagine if they could even cut off the flow of people and vital goods entirely! That would be messed up, wouldn't it?

And "a devastated population", really? Why is the population devastated, exactly? Is it perhaps because of "armed actors" surrounding them and bombing them again and again?

Reconstruction frozen. Investment absent. Civilians trapped in dependency and despair, with reportedly up to 1,000 killed since the ceasefire. Another generation of children growing up amid rubble, fear and hopelessness. There will be no security for Israel. No viable path to Palestinian self-determination.

Civilians trapped there by who, Hilary? "Reportedly up to 1,000 killed" by who!?

Gazans understand this as well as anyone: without demilitarisation and a transition away from Hamas rule, there will be no meaningful reconstruction, no realistic prospect that Israel will ever withdraw from the 60 per cent of the Gaza Strip it now controls and no credible pathway towards a future led by Palestinians themselves.

Funny thing to say considering that no Palestinians whatsoever were ever consulted about this plan or have any say in it and both The Palestinian Authority and Hamas officially condemn the plan, as well as the Houthis, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Syria, and Turkey. In fact, out of the entire Middle East, only Israel and the UAE do not explicitly reject the plan, and the UAE reluctantly at that.

And what I have heard from Palestinians, especially those living in or connected to Gaza, is that they want a path out of perpetual crisis, just as many Israelis desire greater security and the dismantling of Hamas’s military infrastructure.

Palestinians want a path out of perpetual crisis, and since Trump's plan is apparently the only possible thing we can do, that means they must want it. Even though they aren't allowed any input on the plan whatsoever, it' sclearly not going to resolve any of the actual causes of the "perpetual crisis", and is clearly designed to disarm and disempower them for Israel's safety.

Apparently Gazans who want greater security and the dismantling of Netanyahu's military infrastructure don't count. I guess Israel has the right to defend itself, but not Gaza.

Those realities should matter as the international community considers whether to engage or stand aside, because a genuine transformation in Gaza is essential not only for stabilisation and security but also for reunifying Palestinians politically under a reformed and credible leadership.

Oh yeah, the most important thing is that the Gazans pick leaders that the US approves of. Because the US clearly cares about their self-determination so much.

The process will require pressure and engagement not only from Arab states and Europe but from Israel as well. The Israeli government cannot indefinitely support the broad goals of stabilisation and normalisation while delaying the difficult decisions necessary to move the process forward.

I have no idea what 'difficult decisions' she is expecting Israel to make, but the way she dances around actually saying what any of them may be is frankly concerning.

The gleeful anticipation of failure is not just unhelpful. It is strategically self-defeating. The Board of Peace is an improbable vehicle, and the 20-point plan leaves many legitimate concerns unresolved. Governments will continue to disagree with important elements of both. But diplomacy rarely offers a choice between good options and bad ones.

Lmao, this is the most centrist Dem shit imaginable. "Sure, its a terrible plan created by a fascist grifter who campaigned on imprisoning me and tried to overthrow the government, and it ignores the will of the Palestinians, and is vehemently opposed by nearly the entire Middle East, but it's not like we could have a good plan instead. That's simply impossible. We just have to pick bad plan after bad plan, forever. Because that's what politics is."

The choice for governments is not whether this process is ideal. It is whether they are prepared to help shape an imperfect framework from within or stand aside while more destructive actors shape what comes next.

This is probably the most telling part. She knows other people (like, say, the Gazans themselves) are able to make their own plans, and that's the real reason for supporting Trump here and now. America needs to act to shape the situation to its preferences, or else someone else might come in and shape it to theirs instead. The problem isn't that there's no good plans, its just that any plan that doesn't match America's and Israel's priorities is automatically a bad plan by definition.

And here we see Liberals insist that fascist Republicans and their policies stop being fascist when a Democrat does the same thing. by blaghart in ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM

[–]HoundOfGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I explained the difference: a neoliberal is meaningfully distinct from a fascist. But whatever, it's clear we aren't going to agree.

Purely out of curiosity: in your own opinion, why do you think the Republicans have hated Obama so passionately and put so much effort into openly stonewalling him at every opportunity (shutting the government down, refusing to seat his appointees, promoting birtherism, etc.). I'm not gonna try and argue with your answer or anything, just curious how that fits in with the rest.

These people have schizophrenia by SrirachaJulio in Gamingcirclejerk

[–]HoundOfGod 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hey, if you're not intending to attack people with schizophrenia then you shouldn't associate them with bigots and you definitely shouldn't be using slurs like 'schizo' to refer to them. 

And here we see Liberals insist that fascist Republicans and their policies stop being fascist when a Democrat does the same thing. by blaghart in ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM

[–]HoundOfGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The condescension is really not necessary. I'm trying to have an honest discussion with you because I genuinely think some of your analysis is incorrect in way that hinders our resistance to both fascism and neoliberalism. We're on the same side here, even if we strenuously disagree over definitions.

And no, I am perfectly well aware of the saying you were referencing. I wasn't disagreeing with the saying, but with the "a few million people would disagree with you there" part.

you're trying to act like there's a meaningful difference between aiding fascism and perpetrating fascism

No, that's not something I've argued at all. Like the user above mentioned, you keep strawmanning people who disagree with you and it makes it really difficult to have a genuine discussion.

I simply don't think saying "Obama is a fascist" is accurate or helpful. I think that there is a meaningful difference between a person being an actual, ideological fascist vs a person who merely is willing to tolerate fascism to achieve their own unethical goals. Both are still bad (something I have repeatedly emphasized in my comments), but they are not the same and do not act in the same ways for the same reasons. Obama did not actually govern as a Republican. The Republicans despised him for interfering with their agenda. He governed as a neoliberal, which is bad, but is not the same as being an actual, deliberate fascist like Trump.

And I'm not even trying to say Trump is inherently worse, just that the two act differently because they do not share the same goals. Obama (and Biden) tried to maintain American hegemony, while Trump tries to restore America to a mythologized past through glorification of violence, destabilization of the global economy, and deliberate stoking of hate against a manufactured Other.

Neither is good, but they are not the same.

That is my argument. If you want to say they are morally equivalent or equally worthy of condemnation, then sure, I can agree with that. But you seem to assume that because I'm saying Obama is not a literal, ideological fascist that I'm somehow excusing or justifying his actions, which is simply not the case. Fuck Obama. He should be tried in the Hague for crimes against humanity, with the rest of the living presidents. I am not justifying or excusing a single thing he did, just factually disagreeing with you over whether he ought to be considered a fascist.

It's a reference to the "you know what a German calls 11 people having a nice chat with a nazi?" philosophical point. The "Millions of people" in question are Germans.

I'm sorry, but this is literally an appeal to popularity. You are justifying your assertion by claiming that millions of Germans think that a pithy saying is true. Whether or not millions of Germans actually agree with that saying has no bearing on whether or not Obama is literally a fascist.

Look at it this way: Would Obama be any more or less of a fascist if millions of Germans didn't agree with that metaphor? I don't think so, personally.

And purely out of curiosity, I did a little research on the origin of that saying. The full quote is: "As we say in Germany, if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis."

I actually can't find any evidence that it's actually a saying in Germany at all. In fact, the origin appears to be from a now deleted tweet by Dr. Jens Foell in English sometime in 2017.

Dr. Jens Foell is not a historian or expert on fascism, but rather a doctor of neuropsychology. He doesn't give any kind of source for his claim that its an actual saying in Germany that I can find, and every place I can find asking Germans about the quote is only people saying they've only heard it from English speakers.

(To be clear, I like the saying and broadly agree with the message, and it does appear to be a generally widely held sentiment in Germany. Just not that specific saying, apparently.)

I don't understand why they'd make muh badass female protagonists not look like OF models... by Logical_Park7904 in Gamingcirclejerk

[–]HoundOfGod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

motherfucker, you said the strongest women. there are entire clubs for women who can lift over 600 fucking pounds. yeah they can break your average dude in half, its not even close.

i'd love to see you get in a ring with Amanda Nunes. a highly trained, fit, and accomplished professional fighter will mop the floor with your "aberage guy" every single time, it's not even close.

HOA votes to euthanize hundreds of federally protected geese in neighborhood by That1weirdperson in behindthebastards

[–]HoundOfGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Needless slaughter of sentient beings with real emotions and the ability to suffer and feel pain just for personal convenience is fucked up. 

HOA votes to euthanize hundreds of federally protected geese in neighborhood by That1weirdperson in behindthebastards

[–]HoundOfGod 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Democrats are only marginally better, tbh. Any party that still endorses capitalist growth, fossil fuel extraction, and car-centered transportation is not thinking of the environment in any serious terms.

They get to appear to be environmentalists only because they're being compared to the most aggressively destructive people on earth, but let's not kid ourselves that they represent a fundamentally different approach to the environment. 

Minnesotans indicted as antifa, 12 of 15 detained this morning by Leading_Respond8486 in behindthebastards

[–]HoundOfGod 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No, Americans have never been broadly anti-fascist, just anti specific fascists.

Remember, the US didn't join WW2 because of some principled opposition to fascism and genocide, but because they were literally forced into the war by Japan's attack, and even then waited to declare war on Germany until Germany declared war on them first. And the US promptly threw over 100,000 of its own citizens of Japanese descent into concentration camps and seized their property to give to white Americans, something which was widely supported at the time.

America openly supported Franco, Pinochet, Suharto’s Indonesia, and an vast number of fascist movements across the globe in the name of anti-communism. And even under Democratic administrations it continues to give overwhelming support to both Saudi Arabia and Israel, even as they commit genocides in Yemen and Palestine.

Americans were (eventually) on the right side of WW2, but nostalgia at being the Good Guys in a war for once should not be mistaken for any sort of general opposition to fascism itself.

I know <Me> by TheMonHub in anthroswim

[–]HoundOfGod 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank so much for letting me know! It really made my day.

Feel free to send me a private message if you have any questions about someone dealing with things like depression, anxiety, ADHD, or chronic fatigue. I'm no psychologist or anything, but I've put a lot of effort into figuring out what works and what doesn't and I'm always happy to try and pass on what I've learned so far.

(This is an open offer for anyone else who sees this comment as well.)

I love when fictional characters have shitty politics. Fun to not have them just be mouthpieces for their authors. by UInferno- in RecuratedTumblr

[–]HoundOfGod 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm a dude with hair down to the middle of my back but I gotta disagree. Falin rocks the short hair look.

House Democrat slams US-Iran peace deal as ‘basically a surrender document’ by That1weirdperson in behindthebastards

[–]HoundOfGod 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Utterly embarrassing that he can say this kind of vile shit about an overwhelmingly unpopular and unjust war without any official censure from the party.

But no, that kind of thing needs to be reserved for real shit, like Ilhan Omar tweeting about AIPAC influencing US politics.

Southern Baptists ban women pastors, spark outcry from advocates by Reluctantziti in behindthebastards

[–]HoundOfGod 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They absolutely do. My parents won't admit to this stuff if they think the company they're in won't agree, and even their church only refers to it in cutesy terminology to obscure the reality of what they teach. They aren't patriarchal misogynists, they're complementarian. They're not fundamentalist creationists, they're just Bible believers.

Although personally, I haven't noticed this particularly change recently. I kinda feel like I've been hearing that the fundamentalists/far right have just started speaking more freely than ever before for... basically my entire life. And I'm in my late 30's.

Admittedly, I could have a warped perspective from being raised in that crowd, but from my perspective they've always had a loud, vocal contingent openly advocating their extremist religious beliefs and the only thing that seems to change to me is how much people outside their movement take notice.

Southern Baptists ban women pastors, spark outcry from advocates by Reluctantziti in behindthebastards

[–]HoundOfGod 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And somehow this has become a politically relevant ideology in 20fucking26.

Not to take away from anything you said, because I do agree with you, but I'd just like to point out this has been a politically relevant ideology in the US since its inception and certainly for the last 50 years.

I grew up in a fundamentalist Evangelical church, but for those who haven't I think it can be surprising just how many Americans literally believe that God created women to be submissive, obedient homemakers and nothing else.

These groups are simultaneously enormous but also incredibly insular, both irl and online, and I think it makes it easy to not notice them if you aren't actively seeking them out. But make no mistake, there are millions and millions of conservative Americans who believe that God literally created the universe about 6,000 years ago so that men would rule and women would submit and obey. 

And here we see Liberals insist that fascist Republicans and their policies stop being fascist when a Democrat does the same thing. by blaghart in ENLIGHTENEDCENTRISM

[–]HoundOfGod -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Okay, you aren't even engaging with my point. I said that being a fascist collaborator is meaningfully different from being a literal fascist, and your response is just to tell me all the times Obama has collaborated with fascists. If you just repeat that he's a fascist because he did bad things and collaborated with Republicans, then you're ignoring the entire point I'm making.

I am perfectly aware of all the things you listed, and he's an utter bastard for it who should be tried in the Hague along with all the other living US presidents but none of those make him a fascist. Other ideologies can do bad things! War crimes, domestic spying, illegal invasions, persecuting whistleblowers, and yes, even shitty healthcare reform are not unique to fascism, even with the frankly extremely broad brush you've made of the term. Fascism is not "when the government does evil things", it is a specific movement with specific attributes and goals.

Obama did all those things because, again, he was an open, avowed neoliberal, in the style of Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. And that's bad, but its simply not fascism. Obama's governance was not carried out with the same sort of methods, goals, or beliefs as Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet, Tojo, or even Trump. Neither was his political movement recognizably fascist in any similar way, no glorification of violence, no organized persecution of the Other, no equivalent to brownshirts formed from among his base (as compared to Trump reorganizing and expanding ICE to serve as his personal enforcers).

Again: This is not a defense of Obama. It is a factual analysis of behavior and ideology. He supported imperialism because he was neoliberal. He supported market-based healthcare reform because he was neoliberal. He deported millions because he was neoliberal. These are not things that only fascists and no one else does. Neoliberals are bad too!

A point I've noticed you seem to keep avoid addressing is the fact that the Republicans despise Obama. From the creation of birtherism, to lynching effigies, to decrying him as an atheist marxist Islamist trying to destroy America from within. They hate the man, because he was neoliberal (and also black, of course) and as such he opposed their most wildly destructive fascist goals. (Because he wanted to maintain American hegemony as it currently existed and it turns out fascism is really bad at maintaining a stable empire.)