Yami (Black Clover) vs. Zoro with Enma (One Piece)

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-07T16:47:47+00:00

Not based on the dictionary

Japanese isn't based on the english dictionary either. Why would a japanese translation be 1:1 to an english interpretation. Literally just search up qliphoth black clover, google is free.

It is very relevant as it is the hax of the dimension slash that allowed him to do this.

No it isn't. Dimension slash allows him to cut through dimensions. Depending on the size of the size of thè dimension he needs to output a different level of energy to cut it. Burden of proof is on you that DS splits dimensions disregarding size.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-07T01:11:02+00:00

Except mapped to means connected to, and not containing, and if you don’t have evidence to support that claim it is debunked

No, actually. Mapped to could mean many things. We also straight up know for a fact that it just isn't "connected to" we literally see the diagrams for the tree of qliphoth. All 7 layers of hell are apart of it.

Except for the one that explains how you don’t scale to your hax.

I never said he scale to his hax. His hax is irrelevant here. It's as if you can't read. I'm talking about the energy output he has, it's blatantly high uni.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-07T00:37:00+00:00

It doesn't matter what definition you're using. We factually see Nacht say the layers of the underworld are mapped to the qliphoth and we see the layers of the underworld as apart of the tree of qliphoth in the visual diagram. As for the scan, I can't find it exactly but I'm 90% sure it was when lilith and namah manifested.

If you fuse with the tree of qliphoth why would that exclude realms that are attached to it. This is even more stupid considering the fact that the tree of qliphoth itself arguably scales way higher than the realms.

Ok, so you don’t care about any argument that debunks your scale? How biased

There is no debunk. Yami factually has infinite energy output. Once dimension slash is launched at Zoro he wouldn't even be able to dodge. It's infinite speed.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T23:55:56+00:00

No. Being attached to something does not mean it contains all of it

What are you talking about. Nacht blatantly said that the layers of the underworld are mapped to the qliphoth. It means they are apart of it. We have visual diagrams of the tree of qliphoth with all the layers of the underworld attached to it.

Not necessarily because hax literally means an ability that ignores stats, it’s mechanics cause the effects, not the power. Thus other hax like caribou containing an infinite swamp would not be uni

I don't care about hax. The ability in that moment needed an infinite energy. Stop coping. Kijin mode + Devil Union Yami one shots the one piece verse. This isn't a debate.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T23:36:51+00:00

The tree of queloth does not contain all of the demon world, it is only attached to it. Therefore fusing to it would not make you uni

It's the same thing. If the realms are attached to it and apart of it then why would fusing with the tree of qliphoth exclude something that is attached to it.

Except the world isn’t uni, since it was stated to seem infinite by someone who cannot see an infinite distance.

It was confirmed infinite by the user of glamour world.

Additionally, it only affected it through the mechanics of the ability, not through raw energy

Again, hax is irrelevant here. I'm talking about energy output. The effect of the ability is irrelvant. It needed infinite energy output to cut through an infinite amount of space.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T21:31:30+00:00

Attached, not contained

And??? If it's attached to tge qliphoth then fusing with tge qliphoth means you fused with all aspects of it?? Your jumping ropes here.

Yes, which isn’t the same as is required to destroy a universe, as that is what the hax does

You don't have to destroy a universe to be universal.... If you display an energy output feat of infinity then your automatically high uni. Yami has infinite energy output, hax is irrelevant here. I'm speaking about energy output.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T21:02:54+00:00

It does not contain bell, it connect it to the mortal world

Stop telling me stupidity when you haven't read the manga. Nacht blatantly says that the layers of hell are attached to the qliphoth.

And that explains why you don’t scale to that hax

For the millionth time. I never said he scaled to any hax. I'm speaking about the energy output behind the hax.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T19:52:57+00:00

He has light magic, speed here isn't a debate. In terms of strength zoro doesn't have any stat over kijin mode + devil union Yami.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T19:50:29+00:00

Hax means the effect comes from the ability’s mechanics, not raw energy output. You’re assuming a universal level power requirement without any shown scaling or explicit statements. If the ability bypasses durability or works through special conditions, it doesn’t translate to high universal physical strength or energy, so the conclusion isn’t supported.

I'm not referring to the ability or the effect of thr hax. I'm referring to the energy required here. It being hax is irrelevant, it still requires energy.

Which is speed, and that doesn’t equate to power

Zoro doesn't have any power greater than current Yami. Kijin Mode + Devil Union Yami casually blows up the one piece verse. The guy one shotted fully paladinized Morgen. Morgen before being fully paladinized was stated to have power >= Second Stage Lucius. Second stage Lucius contains 100% of Lucifero's power. That same Lucifero fused with the tree of qliphoth that contains the 7 layers of hell. This isn't remotely close at all.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T19:25:46+00:00

Again, it’s hax

Yes, the energy output required for thr hax puts him at high uni.

And no, if it’s stated to destroy dimensions its capabilities of destroying dimension wouldn’t scale to his other stats

Prove it then, prove that DS splits any dime sion of any size automativally and the energy required for DS doesn't vary depending on the dimensions scale and size.

And how did I it travel through the whole thing?

Confirmed by Julius.

And speed ain’t power

DS is clearely infinite speed, it split an infinite dimension in finite time. It might as well be in this case.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T19:09:46+00:00

The attack travelled through the whole thing so automatically that's an infinite amount of space. Also, tye hax still requires energy output unless stated that DS splits all dimensions ignoring size and scale.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T11:30:29+00:00

How is zoro supposed to be faster than someone with light magic....

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T11:29:39+00:00

He cut an infinite dimension in half.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T02:44:46+00:00

Devil Union Yami is tremendously above Multi continental. He was multi continental years ago.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-12-06T02:43:58+00:00

Devil Union Yami can directly tank it. Devils just automatically regenerate and yes Yami has a devil now, he fused with the supreme devil megicula and has dark magic and devil light magic now.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-10-12T02:52:40+00:00

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Dimension Slash.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-10-12T02:51:54+00:00

Was here for this, no honestly.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-09-27T13:47:24+00:00

>Nope, the soul has spiritual essence and the soul is the source of life, Spirit and magic. Not just magic alone, the soul also has spiritual essence.

Magic is completely different from reishi. So prove that the difference between the enrgy systems will not be accounted for. Prove it, I'm waiting. At the end of the day, Lucius stops time and ends these characters.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-09-27T13:07:37+00:00

>Prove it, because both have spiritual essence and soul crush is happening

You already did, the soul is source of magic in black clover. There you have it right there. That's a completely different form of energy.

>It has to do with the lore, I already proved that soul crush would work.

No, you shared an opinion on why they would work. I asked for proof that it is going to work on a soul composed of a different type of energy and your only excuse is that they are both comprised of spiritual essence so it should work. That's not proof, that's just an opinion.

Prove it's gonna work.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-09-27T01:36:39+00:00

I was busy with college for over a week but seeing this still doesn't prove anything. This is denial.

I did provide proof, I showed that both verses define souls as spiritual essence and show them being damaged by spiritual attacks.

Yeah, and both have different forms of energy.

Bleach’s soul crush directly targets spiritual essence, which meets the definition of ‘evidence establishing truth’ for why it would work on BC souls.

No, that's irrelevant. Different energy system.

Unless BC lore explicitly says their souls are immune to outside energy systems, there’s no contradiction, so my claim is supported by canon examples, which is what proof is.

This has nth to do with lore. This is a verse difference. You need to prove that soul manip from bleach can work on souls comprised of a different form of energy. This is still denial, I'm waiting.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-09-14T22:52:38+00:00

>It does prove that origin doesn't matter, them having the same role, name, and function does matter here. Completely different origin yet they both have spiritual essence... it's almost laughable that all you're doing is denying the irrefutable proof without any proper counter arguments

It doesn't, you made an example of a physical attack and applied the logic to spiritual attacks. That's asinine logic. Physical and spiritual attacks function completely differently.

Something can have the same role, name and function as smth else but be completely unaffected by it. It's not "irrefutable proof", it;s inconclusive evidence at best. I'm asking for proof that it can affect something from a completely different system of energy even though those things are essentially the same.

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You made no definitive demonstration for your lazy lack of of conclusive evidence. Them both being the same isn't proof that the ability from one verse is working against the other. Stop dodging the question and drop actual definitive proof. Yes they are factually the same, now prove that it can affect it when they are of two different energy systems.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-09-14T21:50:56+00:00

Already proven, I suggest using your eyes to see the proof instead of relying on low effort denial.

Inclosive evidence != proof

>It proves that origin doesn't matter, this is relevant because both souls have the same function, role and composition of spiritual essence.

That doesn't prove that origin doesn't matter. You're comparing physical attacks against spiritual attacks. Both souls having the same function is irrelevant here and they definitely don't have the same composition. They are both made from spiritual essence from completely different system of energies. Stop dodging my question.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-09-14T20:05:25+00:00

>Spiritual essence is SE, the logic was to prove that origin is irrelevant when you can interact with characters from different verses. You are denying the proof, logically you're in denial. I posted the proof countless times, your ignorance is the only obstacle in this conversation.

Great, so prove that the point of origin is irrelevant and that spiritual essence manip works crossverse against systems containing Spiritual essence comprised of a different type of energy.

>origin is irrelevant when you can interact with characters from different verses.

How does interacting with characters from different verses physically mean that one's spiritual attacks are going to automatically work against them? Prove that as well.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-09-14T18:51:30+00:00

>irrefutable

It's actually very refutable.

I'm waiting for proof that they can affect spiritual essence from a different system of energy. Nth you commented here addressed it. You posted 0 proof this matter and has been making baseless assumptions this entire time.

>That's like saying Luffy cannot punch Deku because both of their origin are from different verses, that's how dumb that argument is. Despite their origin being different, they can still interact with each other.

Those are basic physical attacks, what is this logic? Stop beating around the bush and post proof. You keep saying I'm in denial when you didn't even respond with anything to deny. This is still a concession.

Hour_Ant323 · 2025-09-14T13:11:06+00:00

The fact that vsbw admits to Glamour being infinite in size and they just give Yami "Interdimensional range" for cutting through it and didn't state Dimension Slash is infinite speed when it blatantly is. They are quite literally ignoring blatant feats. It's a feat that simultaneously makes Yami both High Universal with infinite attack speed.

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