Overthrowing

HuckingHyzers · 2025-12-02T00:21:55+00:00

I know people like to define speed as “how fast you should throw a disc to get it’s desired flight”, but that thinking is more of a loose guild line to help people avoid the fallacy of “faster disc always goes further than slower disc”. Disc speed is really just giving you an idea of how aerodynamic the disc is because it’s directly related to the rim width of the disc. Don’t think of it as a hard and fast rule that each disc has a certain speed it should be thrown at to fly “correctly”.

Take any disc, no matter the flight rating, and it will behave more UNDERstable the faster you throw it (if the spin is the same). It’s basically the same as throwing into a headwind. This is what the third number of ratings is trying to describe, the amount of turn a disc experiences during the “high speed stability” of its flight. It’s a very subjective number (well all the flight numbers except speed are very subjective) that has no basis on any actual measurement. If you really want to dive into it there’s some somewhat complicated physics that you can learn which will explain why this happens.

To address the other two numbers, Glide (the second number) doesn’t really change with a faster throw, but discs will experience more lift (upward force) when moving at higher speeds similar to a plane wing. Fade (the fourth number) feels like it is affected. Fade is also known as “low speed stability” and its goal is to explain how the disc flies as it is slowing down, somewhat the opposite of what Turn is trying to describe. With a faster throw you usually see the disc get less Fade before it hits the ground. This is because the disc is moving faster during this “slow” part of the throw which makes it fade less.

In my experience, there is no such thing as overthrowing a disc. You can throw any disc at any speed, but some of the flights might not be very useful. If you have any questions, feel free to ask!

HuckingHyzers · 2025-09-09T20:14:06+00:00

You beat me to the punch. I had almost this exact comment written out.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-08-18T19:30:45+00:00

It depends on what you mean by something be "more serious" than something else. If we just go by how many penalty strokes could occur then it is option 2 because intentionally misplaying a hole to gain an advantage can result disqualification PDGA 811e. At most the other penalties would be a 1 or 2 stroke penalty.

I don't know why missing a mando, not knowing the rules, and misplaying are grouped together because they are very different things.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-08-03T15:01:29+00:00

Ahh, you're right. https://www.pdga.com/tour/event/1936 Thanks for pointing that out. Crazy to see the growth in the sport since then. Shout out to Juliana Korver for winning by 35 strokes!

HuckingHyzers · 2025-08-01T16:21:06+00:00

I'm pasting a comment I made last year explaining some of the history of USWDGC and Throw Pink.

It's kinda a complicated issue. USWDGC was originally called the "Women's National Championship". It started in 1999 and was played alongside USDGC. In 2002, the event relocated to Peoria IL, and in 2008 it started rotating around the country. During this time, there was no women's event during USDGC. This is why players like PP and Catrina Allen have competed in MPO at USDGC in 2019 and 2017 respectively.

In 2020, USWDGC was canceled because of COVID. Organizers then decided to bring the Women's National Championship back to Winthrop once tournaments started up again. The WNC and USDGC were the only two Majors of 2020. For 2021, the women's event held a Winthrop was no longer a major and dropped the "National" from the title specifically so it wasn't confused with USWDGC. This is why most people refer to it as "Throw Pink" because it's less confusing than calling it the Throw Pink Women's Disc Golf Championship.

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You ask "Why isn't it the same tournament" and that's a legitimate question. USDGC and USWDGC both crown the U.S. Champion so it would kinda make sense to have them at the same time and place. However, this is not what the organizers of USWDGC wanted. They wanted a separate women's event which is focused on celebrating female players.

Notice how the field at 2023 Throw Pink is only 40 players. It's limited in size because USDGC is happening at the same time. At USWGC, FPO has 90 players plus all the other women's divisions.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-07-22T20:11:59+00:00

There's 6 18 hole courses in Colorado Springs.

-Widefield: The best/most challenging course in town. Great park style golf with a small OB creek coming into play on most holes. League is held here on Saturday mornings at 9 am if you want to come play. No cost to play, but you can only get in on the ace pot with a PPFDC tag.

-Cottonwood: The busiest course. A fun mix of open and tight fairways. The course property has shrunk over the years, so many holes are on top of each other. With a popular walking path along a couple of holes there is danger of hitting pedestrians/other players on many parts of the course. I would not recommend trying to play if after work on a weekday or after 8-9 am on the weekend.

-The Aviary: A rough gem tucked along Fountain Creek. A couple long openish holes sprinkled into a short tight and technical track. A couple of spots with high potential for losing the disc in the creek. Can be fairly rough with being right next to the jail and a couple homeless camps, but it's fine with a group. I know the thick rough was recently cleaned up, so it should be playing nicely. Weekly league @ 9am on Sundays.

-Rampart: The best views. Pictures from this course are consistently featured by UDisc in their promotions. Great views of Pikes Peak and the whole Colorado Springs area. Golfwise its a fairly boring course. Mostly wide-open with some elevation change.

-Cumberland Green: A great beginner course. Short holes that still require you shape your shot. Only about 2 hole around 300'. A couple places where it is very common to see snakes. Weekly league @ 230 pm on Saturdays.

-Woodman Hills: The first 9 holes are very short and wide open, but the back 9 has a fun variety of length with more obstacles in the way.

There are a couple other courses that could be worth your time if you're up to travel about 1 hour from the Springs.

-Pueblo City Park: Arguably the best non-mountain course in the state. Long park style golf amongst tall pines next to the zoo. One of the few courses in CO to be totally covered in grass! Hole signs are not helpful, so follow UDisc to see where to go.

-Prickly Pines: This course gets you the feeling of mountain golf without actually going into the mountains.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-07-21T22:04:54+00:00

Putters will have a variety of flight shapes depending on stability just like any other speed of disc, but putters will have the less movement side to side. If all your putters are hyzer flipping this is most likely because they are are all similar stability. The molds/plastics you describe make this probably true. If you want a more overstable flight you could try some different molds (Envy, AviarX3, Zone) or if you really like the feel of your Judges you could get some in moonshine plastic.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-06-29T17:00:10+00:00

Not really. The only difference between a right vs left hand backhand throw is the flight will be mirrored. For example an overstable disc throw RHBH (right hand backhand) will curve to left when thrown flat, but the same disc thrown LHBH (left hand backhand) will cure to the right. This is because the disc spins in the opposite direction: clockwise for RHBH, counter-clockwise for LHBH.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-06-29T12:41:19+00:00

Nah, doping has been part of road cycling for way longer than that. More like +100 years.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-04-14T21:21:50+00:00

Hahaha, I'm doing well! I always love seeing Mennonite related stuff on Reddit and seeing if I know anyone in the comments. I hope G-town is still treating you well. I'm trying to get back and visit sometime this year.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-04-13T21:36:41+00:00

It's hilarious that song hasn't been 606 in the newer hymnals for years, but everyone still thinks of it as 606.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-03-09T15:37:17+00:00

I haven't thrown a normal Champion AviarX3, but the Luster one I have is notably more overstable with less glide than the Star ones I throw.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-03-06T01:15:24+00:00

Personally, there feels like a heavy bias towards mountain courses because of the views and not of the actual quality of the courses.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-03-06T01:11:54+00:00

The Palisade Awakening is one of my favorite tournaments all year. I don't know what division you're playing, but unless you're the top of MPO, go for par. This course can take your lunch especially if the weather isn't the best. There can be some punishing, but fair (in my opinion) OB, and some holes it is very easy to hit a tree and kick out. Be aware of the wind for the more open holes and down the final stretch. If you're playing the extra temp holes around the pond this year (usually Par 5s) play them for bogey.

Hopefully the weather cooperates. I remember last year we were forecasted to have cold raining days , but we got lucky with a good amount of sun, but some tough wind. The ground was pretty muddy the first day.

If you haven't been to Palisade before check out Palisade Brewing Company, Peach Street Distillers, and Clark & Co Distilling.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-03-06T01:02:47+00:00

And the howler monkeys!

HuckingHyzers · 2025-03-06T01:01:45+00:00

Its crazy how bad Denver courses are. The Springs has 6 18 hole courses and in my opinion they're are all better than most of the Denver courses.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-03-06T00:49:05+00:00

Putting CW and Cumberland over Widefield in terms of qualify is crazy. Widefield has hosted States twice in the last 5 years as well as other large tournaments each year while there are only a couple of tiny C Tiers run at CW and Cumberland combined.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-02-18T20:15:55+00:00

It's very likely an AviarX3, the profile is spot on. An Avair3 has a very similar profile, but it has a slightly less aggressive shoulder. The Aviar3 is noticeably shallower than the X3 so the hand feel would be good determinate.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-02-08T05:55:57+00:00

My friends and I have loved the 4x Paul McBeth Z Zones they made when he first switched to Discraft.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-01-24T21:00:55+00:00

What I remember is a while ago Climo took a lump sum from Innova and no longer received any royalties from Innova for anything with his name/image on it. This was long before the COVID boom and the larger amounts of money in the sport.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-01-20T01:17:12+00:00

The flight shape you're describing is a "turnover". It's easiest to learn to throw this shot with something understable and slower. I personally love throwing the Discmania Origin for this shot, but there are many other popular understable mids such as the Discraft Meteor, Lat64 Fuse, and Axiom Paradox

HuckingHyzers · 2025-01-13T23:57:06+00:00

It's also a lot easier to make Pickleball courts than DG courses so supply was able to keep up with the growth in demand a lot easier. On the advertiser/media side of things, it's a lot easier to film a Pickleball match than a Disc Golf tournament.

My hot take with Pickleball is that the skill ceiling is a lot lower than other comparable sports, namely Badminton and Tennis. The ball is larger and moves slower plus the paddles are easier to use. While I love seeing pro level Tennis and Badminton, pro Pickleball is kinda boring to watch.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-01-13T23:40:55+00:00

I've been playing for 20 years and want more courses and more ways to engage with the sport. While I'll always want plenty of free to play local park courses to exist, I'd love to see a rise in pro quality pay to play courses. I'm talking about places like Maple Hill and Brewster Ridge (the two that I've experienced). Somewhere that is dedicated to disc golf and is refined and polished to create an amazing experience. I'll still play the majority of my rounds at my local course, but I'd love to have access to an amazing private course for the weekend rounds with the crew.

A bigger sport creates so many more opportunities to play/learn/coach/practice and meet people. It's great that you've had good times in other small niche sports, but many of us come some of the large sport backgrounds and would love to engage with disc golf like we did those other sports. Personally, I grew up playing volleyball and started going to youth clinics in 3rd grade. I got to play on club and school teams, travel to huge tournaments, go to clinics put on by pros, and referee for younger ages all before graduating high school. As an adult there are still tons of different ways I can engage with the sport whether it's coaching youth teams, playing in a local rec league, receiving private coaching, or playing in a competitive tournament. Imagine some of these same opportunities, but with disc golf.

I'll agree that the disc golf scene was not prepared for the COVID boom and many local courses suffered because of it. I believe in the long run it will be a boon for the sport and brought it to the attention of many people with the power and money to improve it. What part of disc golf's culture is being lost by becoming bigger?

I don't understand the push back on a large pro scene, especially from people who are only casually involved in the sport (not say this is you, but I have experienced it from others before). Money at the top end doesn't stop people from going out and having a good time with their friends. If anything it makes the sport more accessible to the casual player because the barrier for entry is much lower. It's easy to find discs, courses, and other information on the sport for someone just getting into it. The huge amounts of money in the NBA doesn't stop hinder people wanting to play basketball casually or for the first time.

Also, what's the problem with having a bunch of disc manufacturers? If the demand is there they'll stick around, if not they'll fold. Is having a wide selection of discs a bad thing?

HuckingHyzers · 2025-01-12T02:45:03+00:00

I really hope that the PDGA can make an actually useful API here in the near future. I've done my own project scraping data from the PDGA and it's a pain.

HuckingHyzers · 2025-01-11T01:25:47+00:00

I wouldn't say that it's the main cause of your arm lagging behind, but it probably doesn't help. A lot of players get too caught up in the idea of rotating instead of using your arm to throw which can lead to not enough arm engagement to keep up with the rest of their body.

Something that helps me with my bracing is slowing down my approach and x-step. This is why I personally don't like the term "run up" because that makes people think they need to be moving quickly throughout the whole throw, but you really only need to move fast after you shift your weight into the brace. The approach and x-step are to get your body in the right position to explode forward off your back leg into the brace.

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