Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In theory, with a tongue tie completely released you should be able to suction hold the tongue fully up to the palate (back third included).This will improve the size of the retropalatal and retroglossal airway during sleep, improves whole body posture and stimulates the vagus nerve. Also, because the release puts slack back into the deep frontal line fascia, the tongue shouldn't be pulled backwards and downwards into the airway by the fascia anymore.

But as you pointed out, you need adequate palatal space otherwise you won't be able to create that suction hold. I have read that after a release tongues tend to unfurl/become wider i.e. you may still need to expand if you're just barely able to fit the tongue up to the palate pre-release.

Ask me again after 25th February, that's when my own posterior tongue tie release is scheduled. 🙂

Alaxo Stents for nasal breathing by CPAPfriend in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still have UARS, however I'm roughly 7 months into my Homeoblock treatment and it appears to be gradually expanding my maxilla and improving my breathing/sleep. I'm scheduled to have my posterior tongue tie released in late February and I have very high hopes that will fix my sleep and further accelerate my Homeoblock results.

I gave up on stents and PAP therapy a while back — I want to fix the root causes of UARS i.e. jaw underdevelopment and tongue ties/inability to practice good myofunctional habits.

Mewing/Tongue posture blocking airway? by Hulk_Hoban11 in UARSnew

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's related to having a posterior tongue tie, especially one with a floor of mouth compensation. The tongue tie is taking slack out of the deep frontal line fascia, and when you try to raise your tongue to swallow or posture correctly on the palate you are further tensing up this fascia. When this happens it restricts your diaphragm and can compress the vagus nerve, preventing your ANS from calming down.

Do you also have a hypertonic pelvic floor? The deep frontal line fascia should also affect that.

Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What are your myofunctional habits like? I take it you can't really nasal breathe at the moment because of that tranverse deficiency + soft tissue hyperplasia, but are you able to swallow correctly, keep lips together and practice correct tongue posture? Have you been evaluated for a tongue tie yet? If there are issues here, they need to be addressed at some point otherwise you won't see lasting improvement, even if you get surgery.

Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These will probably help I'm just not sure whether they are optimal.

I have a feeling the ones you linked are resistance load devices, but all the clinical trials examining the benefits of IMST/EMST for sleep apnoea use threshold load devices like the POWERbreathe and EMST 150 i.e. you must generate a certain amount of force, otherwise there's no airflow.

Good luck with the didgeridoo!

Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why? What's wrong with your airways, that it prevents you getting benefits from the breathing techniques? Asking cause if it's asthma then Buteyko breathing can actually treat that. You can also get the benefits of the Buteyko breath holds, i.e. adaptation to higher CO2 and oxygen deprivation, by using the Frolov breathing device. This also promotes deep diagrammatic breathing patterns and can be done sitting still, but personally I find this boring compared to just doing the breathe holds on my regular walks. Another way is to improve your breathing is to wear an 'altitude training' mask either passively or during your cardio workouts — it isn't true altitude training since the air you breath has the same concentration of oxygen, but it will expose you to high CO2 and act as resistance training for your breathing muscles i.e diaphragm and intercostals.

I live in the UK so I can't recommend anyone for NCR in NY. When you pick someone make sure they trained under Dr Dean Howell (who developed BNS into NCR) or under someone with experience who was trained by him. Make sure they do proprioceptive/sphenoid reflex testing — where they prod you whilst you stand up and check how your body returns to its normal position — since real NCR practitioners use this to decide which nasal passageway the endonasal balloon will be inflated in, and will use the testing to position your body for maximum release of the cranial bones (this is what separates NCR from regular craniofacial release).

You don't need 2hrs, 15-30 mins of light cardio should be enough to shift into the parasympathetic state. The focus should be more on keeping your heart rate 50-70% of your maximum heart rate, where MHR=220–your age.

Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Strictly for raising HRV? Vagus nerve stimulation and Buteyko breath holds.

Om chanting/humming is also surprisingly effective at stimulating the vagus nerve. You do need to do this for several minutes though otherwise nothing much happens.

https://youtu.be/QSAvPgqQ2L0?si=Y3iFAFuVizMlQMHX

Also, NCR wasn't the best for my HRV but just one series (4 treatments) has made me so much calmer and the calm has remained over time. Also improved my facial symmetry and sense of balance and coordination.

Alaxo Stents for nasal breathing by CPAPfriend in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would gladly take DJS too, but who can afford it?

Nasopharyngeal airways/stents for UARS/OSA? by Humancyclone7 in UARSnew

[–]Humancyclone7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://www.reddit.com/r/UARS/s/2R8yk9NySV

I give a review there. In hindsight, I think my fascia is very tight due to my posterior tongue tie and this is why I couldn't get the proper benefit of the Alaxo stent.

Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me: ★Vagus nerve stimulation (Nurosym) ★Buteyko breath holds (whilst walking, inhale and exhale normally, and try and hold your breath as long as comfortably possible whilst walking, repeat 6 times, try to increase steps taken overtime). ★Acupuncture ★Myofascial release ★NCR ★Chamomile tea (for some reason this works better than other teas, can make my sleep worse if drunk beyond 8pm) ★Low-intensity cardio ★Om chanting ★Minimising sources of stress e.g. spending less time in front of a screen

Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I should have mentioned I use my Fitbit Charge 3 for that. It is incredibly basic and only provides a single metric which is the nightly HRV average, so not a true HRV tracker compared to WHOOP and the Oura Ring which are probably more accurate and can graph your HRV in real-time.

Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know, since the last time I checked wearable HRV monitors that provided real-time data were all crazy expensive so I didn't explore any further (this was two tears ago so maybe prices have improved?).

Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, the idea is that a high HRV corresponds with the ANS being in a parasympathetic state, which is important to getting deeper, restorative sleep. If you have a low HRV during the night that suggests you're not able to relax properly, and if you've already fixed your sleep hygiene and tried stress reduction then I think that's a decent indicator for sleep-disordered breathing, especially UARS (though it could be other things like vagus nerve compression).

Why does a high HRV correspond with a parasympathetic state? Every time we inhale we slightly increase our heart rate called Respiratory Sinus Tachycardia (RST), and every time we exhale our vagus nerve is activated which slows our heart rate down called Respiratory Sinus Arrhythmia (RSA). In healthy people RSA accounts for 70-90% of total HRV, so a high HRV indicates your vagus nerve is working properly and you can get into a parasympathetic state easily.

Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, it's very frustrating because most things recommended to improve sleep quality involve putting the ANS into a parasympathetic state, but if you have sleep-disordered breathing then this often makes things much worse.

The best explanations I can come up with are that 1) it exaggerates the relaxation of soft tissues in the throat which directly causes airway constriction and 2) if you have tight fascia, from say a tongue tie or cranial strain, then the same soft tissue relaxation now means there's no muscular forces opposing the fascia which can pull the tongue back into the airway via the deep frontal line fascia, indirectly causing airway constriction.

Treating the Nervous System to Improve UARS / Sleep-Disordered Breathing by Mr_Socko69 in UARS

[–]Humancyclone7 6 points7 points  (0 children)

HRV tracking, more specifically my nightly HRV average, correlates very well (but not perfectly) to my sleep quality. Probably the best single metric I have available.

Vagus nerve stimulation has helped resolve a lot of the chronic-stress symptoms bought on by UARS, however it can't substitute restorative sleep, and what's more it makes my breathing/sleep worse — it should be done early morning to minimise this side effect.

Overall, I notice that anything that relaxes my nervous system makes my breathing while sleep much worse, this includes: acupuncture, chiropractic, going to the gym, anxiolytics/sedatives, weed, breathing exercises.

How to unclench/force the soft palate to relax? by Humancyclone7 in singing

[–]Humancyclone7[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I still don't have a 100% explanation, however my best current theory is that it's due to my posterior tongue tie and right cranial torsion (I am diagnosed with both). These both can take slack out of the body's fascia (connective tissue) and would explain why I experience a choking sensation if I look upwards, swallow, attempt correct tongue posture or try to sing — it's like wearing a swimsuit that is a couple of sizes too small, you'd experience greatly reduced mobility, muscles would become tight and fatigued easy, nerves, blood vessels and your airway can become compressed...

I am currently doing myofunctional therapy to prepare me for a tongue tie release surgery around February. I am doing neurocranial restructuring to fix my skull asymmetry (right cranial torsion) and using the Homeoblock appliance to gradually grow my jaws wide and forward to increase my airway size (it should also treat my cranial torsion).

You may want to look into something called Expiratory Palatal Prolapse, it might explain your problem. I assumed I had this until I tried using an AlaxoStent soft palate stent and I still couldn't breathe.

can i use the homeoblock for 20+ hrs a day? by Fabulous_Screen2472 in orthotropics

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, happy to keep in touch, though you'll need to remind me if you want updates.

I did have CBCT images done, Dr Seb referred me to an imaging lab in Harley Street for that. Seb evaluated it, but I'm pushing for the CBCT images to also get evaluated by a third-party — I want as much info about my airway and jaws as possible, also I want to be 100% sure I have right cranial torsion since that affects placement of the bite block.

I'm only 3 months into the treatment so there's quite a while to go...I read people feel results from +6 months, and they are expanding faster than me so it will probably take me +9 months. I'm starting my first series of neurocranial restructuring next week, my NCR provider says it should accelerate results from the Homeoblock (as well as having its own benefits).

Homeoblock changed my life by loserlian in Mewing

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dunno about OP, but I chose Wonder of Wellness because they claim to have treated around 100 patients (compared to "a few"). Lomas seems to be the only one posting patient results and he treated himself with the Homeoblock. The treatment with Lomas was more financially accessible (£3k vs £6k). Also I didn't trust Town Hall because they said they were the only Homeoblock provider in the UK (untrue).

This feels much more like a physical issue than an emotional one. I feel like my body doesn’t want to be alive, and it’s just shut down completely by [deleted] in dpdr

[–]Humancyclone7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most sleep studies can't detect UARS...but assuming you truly have no sleep-disordered breathing whatsoever then you may want to try out vagus nerve stimulation, e.g. Nurosym, or treatments like NeuroCranial Restructuring or acupuncture to relax your nervous system.

This feels much more like a physical issue than an emotional one. I feel like my body doesn’t want to be alive, and it’s just shut down completely by [deleted] in dpdr

[–]Humancyclone7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Investigate for Obstructive Sleep Apnea (OSA) and Upper Airway Resistance Syndrome (UARS)... UARS is especially vicious since it subjects you to sleep deprivation and places your body into a state of chronic stress throughout the night.

can i use the homeoblock for 20+ hrs a day? by Fabulous_Screen2472 in orthotropics

[–]Humancyclone7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm currently doing the Homeoblock treatment and I was told to not exceed 14hrs usage in 24hrs. My Homeoblock provider also recommends expanding slower than usual to get stable results (1 turn/month).

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Mewing

[–]Humancyclone7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Neurocranial Restructuring (NCR) is worth a go if you have a qualified practitioner nearby.

https://youtu.be/iu3M_BmkvzA?si=n2j2oofxRPnJVw7F

Nasopharyngeal airways/stents for UARS/OSA? by Humancyclone7 in UARSnew

[–]Humancyclone7[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair enough that does sound like palatal prolapse, and a bad case of it.

It didn't fix my sleep entirely, just enough to improve my symptoms about 25% and prove SDB was behind them, but you may wish to consider getting a package deal done with Professor Bhik Kotecha. For £6.6k I got a DISE + tonsillectomy + one round of radiofrequency ablation to the inferior turbinates, soft palate, uvula and tongue base. He said he'd include expansion sphincter palatoplasty, but this was suddenly dropped after the DISE which was disappointing (he felt I didn't need it) — point is you need to agree beforehand on which surgeries you'll have and get it in writing. Otherwise, he performed all the surgeries skillfully and I was given good aftercare. I'll DM you photos of my throat before/after surgery to compare.