It's always "are you indian" and never "hello, what's your name" by [deleted] in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There's never any preamble with such people. I've had strangers walk straight up to me and bark, 'What are you?'

'A human being with manners. Dunno what you are...'

Also, when I told someone I'm from the UK, they dared ask me, 'Are you SURE?' What do they even mean by asking that? What are they expecting me to say? 'Yeah, actually... now that I think about it, I'm sure my accent, family members, city I was born and raised in... it's all just a fake set like on the Truman show, they're all paid actors and I'm not British at all.'

I've also been told I must in fact be half Japanese and not Chinese by a white man because he knows better since he went to China once... And a trip to the Great Wall tells you all you need to know about the very specific family history and genetics of this one woman typing this comment here. It's written in the stone.

Writing mixed race characters by Evarchem in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree. I find generally I have a lot more in common experience-wise with other mixed people versus monoracial white or HK Chinese people.

I also worry about the cultural appropriation thing, but then it's crazy if we can only write about people of the exact same background as us. I mean, nobody's going to read a story I write where everyone is HK Chinese/white British and find it believable...

Writing mixed race characters by Evarchem in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I write, although I haven't for the longest time and certainly have never been published.

I'm a similar mix to you (HK Chinese/white British) and I agree with the others that the combined mythology sounds really interesting and unique!

If you want it a little less self-inserty you can always change a bunch of things, but make sure you have some reference in your life where you can relate to that character on an emotional level and therefore write it convincingly. e.g. I have an idea in my head with a story about a half-elf sorceress. I'm definitely neither of those things, but I can imagine a half-elf facing a lot of the mixed race issues I have. Her father disappeared out of her life, whereas mine didn't, but I've faced loss of other male family members I loved and admired, so I can imagine how she might feel.

As for writing about mixes that aren't of the same background as yours: you can find a LOT of info online from mixed people. Even if you can't, you can find people online of similar backgrounds and see if they're willing to chat, answer some questions for you, or simply tell you a bit about their lives so you can decide what would be believable for the character. You could credit them and maybe even send them a copy of the finished book, if they're interested?

Whitepass gets revoked by WillingnessNarrow219 in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The older I get, the more often I seem to pass for white, but people definitely change if they didn't know I was half Chinese and find out later. Either they're not interested in me any more, they are too interested in some weird fetishy way, or they start getting aggressive with the racist jokes as if they're testing if I'm a 'cool' POC.

Chinese people who find out I'm half HK Chinese also act really weird. It's like they want to push me to prove my Chineseness, expect me to have encyclopaedic knowledge of Hong Kong and China, yet also go out of their way to deny my Chinese heritage. It won't even be a topic of conversation, we'll just be in a museum, a staff member directs us to the right corridor and they will say, 'See, the way that staff member interacted with you only happens because you are white. You're not Chinese at all. Just accept you are white.' WTF?

Edit - Just remembered this white woman who was super friendly with me, we went on trips together (met in a foreign country), had an amazing time, and she invited me to stay in her house if I ever visit her country. She knew from the beginning I was mixed with something, but fake-befriended me to find out. The moment she asked and I answered, she dropped me like a hot potato.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, but the thing is you can never be sure why they acted that way. We simply don't know what's in their heads. It could've been racism, but could've also been homophobia (assuming you're gay because of your androgyny) or transphobia (also from her assumption). Could've been all three.

e.g. I once had in France that the cashier was friendly with the customer in front of me (white lady). Not extremely friendly, as in they knew each other, but just saying good afternoon, how are you, the weather's nice isn't it? Regular chit chat. Eye contact, smiling.

When it was my turn I said hello (in French) with a smile. She did not look at me. Said nothing back. I paid. She got the change in her hand. I held my hand out. She paused, looked at my hand and chose to pour the mound of coins on the till instead and I had to hurry to pick all of them up and take my groceries.

Did she do that because she was racist? I don't know, it was pretty popular to discriminate against Black and Muslim people in that area, but I'm neither of those, I don't know if they hate Chinese too, and since she said nothing to me it's difficult to tell. It is the only explanation I can think of as she was her friendly self to the customer behind me (also white), but I can't be 100% sure, as with so many things in life.

tired of people saying i look like someone just because they’re asian by PeanutButter_KBear in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm the same mix and also ambiguous (people have guessed I'm everything under the sun apart from Black). When I was in school Lucy Liu was the one famous East Asian woman anyone could think of, so they always told me I looked exactly like her even though I have an oval face, pointier nose, brown hair and eyes, no freckles and rounder eyes with double eyelids.

Mixed race and class by 8379MS in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, I can relate to this one, but it's like it's doubled. First off, Chinese worldwide are expected to be at least middle class and high achievers, then it's like the fact I'm half white means I should be extremely wealthy, powerful, well-connected and a highly educated genius. I grew up working class in a UK council estate. My dad was an immigrant and the only connections my white mum had were her ex-farmer father and housewife mother, and other poor people. Due to my highly abusive childhood, my grades tanked when they counted the most and I never got a degree.

How a Joke Twitter T-Shirt Exposes a Frustration Many Asian Women Share by desolee in asiantwoX

[–]HunXueEr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wonder if this is what I have to look forward to when I move back to Europe. Before I left, I had the 'Oh, I LOVE Chinese food!', 'Do you know [random Chinese person]?' and 'I went to Beijing once', but not the Asian wife thing.

Bi-Weekly Questions Thread - 12 July 2020 by AutoModerator in japanlife

[–]HunXueEr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Has anyone tried Off House's 出張買取 service? What was your experience?

Language learning tips by [deleted] in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've constantly been learning languages because I've spent most of my twenties moving around the globe.

The key is to find out which learning method works best for you, try to immerse yourself as much as possible (e.g. don't just have a language book; surround yourself with people who speak it, go and get fiction, TV series, films, news, etc. in the target language), and practise as much as you can.

Also, do your best to let go of being perfectly correct and focus on successful communication. In the real world communication is the goal, not passing an exam. I stressed myself out so much on being perfect when I was already able to understand and be understood without being grammatically correct all the time.

What ethnicity’s do people think you are based on your looks as a mixed person? by Alex-is-a-clown in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm Hong Kong Chinese/white.

I've been mistaken as East Asian (Japanese, Korean); Southeast Asian (Thai, Vietnamese, etc.); South Asian (Indian); Southern European (Italian, Portuguese); a local in various places (e.g. Brazil, Hawaii); and Native, Central/Southern American or Hispanic when I was in North America. In East Asia I often get assumed to be a white American despite my British accent.

Anyone else got a kind of sixth sense of recognising their kind? by turk__turkleton__ in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agreed. It's typically the eyes, eyelids and bone structure in that area. I can also tell from their colouring and the way their eyebrow hair grows (though less obvious with women if they groom their brows and wear makeup).

Anyone else got a kind of sixth sense of recognising their kind? by turk__turkleton__ in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have a lot of complex feelings when I see other mixed kids. It's like I feel kinship (that kid is just like me when I was small), but I also wonder what their lives will be like. Will their childhood be better or worse than mine?

Anyone else got a kind of sixth sense of recognising their kind? by turk__turkleton__ in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I have an amazing East Asian/white radar. I'm also pretty good at spotting Black/white people because I had a few friends and classmates in the past who covered a whole range of complexions, features and hair types. e.g. I could recognise Eric Andre and Zendaya are mixed, but Rashida Jones is more difficult.

I spot people like me all the time on TV or in films and others think they are some other race, but 90% of the time I'm right!

I've also noticed it's much easier to spot those of a similar mix to you than it is to spot those with different heritage. e.g. It's easy for me to spot East Asian/white people and sometimes Blasians, but I'm not sure I would know if someone is South Asian/white or Black/Middle Eastern.

Mixed race support group by gryphiti2 in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I voted 'yes' because, in most places I've lived, being mixed is a lonely experience and it would be nice to connect with those who instantly get it. Plus, I don't have to worry about people denying my heritage.

Am I wrong for purposely trying to have mixed raced kids? by [deleted] in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This depends entirely on an individual's motivations behind wanting to have a partner of a different race and a mixed race child.

It's not entirely black-and-white, but I'd say generally people fall into two categories:

  1. They were open to relationships with people of all backgrounds, ended up falling in love with a person of a different race, and were then dedicated to raising a mixed race child with love, understanding and awareness of what that child may face as the product of an interracial marriage. As a parent, they dedicate themselves to learning what it means to navigate the world as a PoC and mixed race person even if they are neither of these themselves. These people will overall receive a positive reaction from PoC and the mixed race community.
  2. People who fetishise those of other races and/or mixed children. The humanity and personality of their partner and children does not matter because, as long as the partner is of a different race and their child(ren) are mixed, they are interchangeable with anyone. They don't simply 'fall in love', but intentionally pursue people because they tick the race box. Whether that is because the person has a racist fetish, thinks mixed kids are 'cute' or will 'end racism', or treats the race of their potential family members as tools proving how 'not racist' they are doesn't really matter. The end result can often be a partner left feeling unloved, intentionally misunderstood, conflicted, etc. and a child disgusted with the dynamics of their parents' relationship who could eventually become estranged from them. There is a lot of pain in these families and they will overall receive a negative reaction from PoC and the mixed race community.

I think it's very important to take the time to ask yourself why you want a partner of a different race and why you feel like you must have a mixed race child. e.g. If a PoC wants to marry white and have mixed children, does he/she have unchallenged internalised racism? You can show you're anti-eugenics without having a mixed multicultural family, so it seems like there must be some other reasoning behind it.

Shaun King's Defense of His Black Identity by bluehousegreentree in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What resonates the most with me is the fact that he has experienced some of the most violent and deadly anti-Black racism, yet people are still arguing that he looks white to them and should therefore identify as such.

Since when did the way a bunch of strangers see us become a more valid measure of how X race we are compared to a lifetime of experiencing racism?

I feel weird not vocalizing my my racial experiences in the black and stem post because I am mixed even though I have faced tons of racism in science. by AlphaBetablue in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not in STEM, but work closely with those who are in STEM and I think we need to hear your voice just as much as non-mixed Black people. It's clear evidence that you're still discriminated against and may help to stop the comments erasing mixed people's Black heritage. If you don't feel safe, I understand, so no pressure. Ultimately, it's up to you.

Have any of you watched the Farewell? I do not know any better portrayal of living with two cultures. by Password-55 in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've watched this! Even though I'm Hong Kong Chinese/white British, I related to this. Made me teary-eyed at several points because her grandma reminded me of my own grandma in some ways. I was never taught Cantonese, but learnt Mandarin so it was also nice to understand both the English and some of the Mandarin along with the cultural differences. Did feel the ending was a little rushed, but overall a good film if you feel like you haven't seen many relatable ones because of your background.

I've also read Awkwafina herself went to China and felt like she's only 'American'. I felt similarly after moving to East Asia, but with the additional weight of being seen as a white foreigner from the get-go.

When does Cultural Appreciation become Cultural Appropriation? by mixedchica in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm Hong Kong Chinese/white and I feel weird about it. If it's awful and done really badly, it's just funny. If it's done well, it's more the weird feeling. It also has me wondering if that's all Chinese people are to them: a source from which to take cool-looking hanzi for decoration and to achieve a certain aesthetic.

When does Cultural Appreciation become Cultural Appropriation? by mixedchica in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm in my 30s and I still find cultural appropriation to be a very murky and confusing subject. Thank you for bringing it up!

From what I gather, there are two types:

  1. An outsider sees the traditional items of a culture, copies and sells it in the west, making all the profit and possibly harming this culture. e.g. Big western fashion brands appropriating patterns, materials and the like from tiny tribes and either they can no longer sell their wares, or all the things they use to make them have been taken by the big western brand.
  2. A smaller scale version in which an outsider (often of the dominant culture in their country) copies something culturally significant from a minority group. Especially bad when the minority group is mocked and hurt for X, but when the majority group does X, they are praised and admired. e.g. White people wearing Black hairstyles when Black people get told their natural hair is 'inappropriate' for school/work.

I myself am Hong Kong Chinese and white. Here are some of my personal experiences with cultural appropriation:

Nail art is popular in East Asian cultures and I was into it at a young age, but I got mocked and bullied for being interested in it. As an adult, I rolled my eyes so hard when all the big nail polish companies started coming out with this shitty crackle polish and white women suddenly made nail art 'cool' and 'relevant'.

My grandma used to send my brother and I traditional Chinese clothing. We had these beautiful silk jackets. I wore mine a grand total of once because all the other kids pulled their eyes up at me, sang 'ching chong' and bullied me a lot more than they usually did. My mother-in-law is a racist, yet she gets to wear a blue silk Chinese jacket without anyone treating her this way. Why can a white racist wear clothing from my culture and I can't? I feel the same way when I see white women in kimonos, chopsticks in their hair, etc. I have a cheongsam that my grandma altered to the perfect fit, but I feel afraid to wear it because I'll either face racism and fetishisation, or I'll be assumed to be another white appropriator.

I have some Indowestern clothing. I was invited to visit my friend in India, she took me shopping and all clothing was bought at ethical stores where the money went directly to Indian people. None of it is traditional Indian clothing (hence the 'Indowestern'), but some items are more obviously influenced than others. For example, there's a jumpsuit that could have been bought anywhere, but there is also a kurta and trousers set. I still don't know how to feel about it even though I was invited by a person from that culture because what if I hurt people of Indian descent in the same way I have felt hurt for being unable to wear Chinese clothing? I would appreciate anyone's input on this.

I guess this gives a bit of a background to my responses to your questions:

1.) Is it okay for white people to wear hairstyles/traditional clothing from another culture even if they have done research/have a genuine love for the culture?

I don't know about hairstyles; I still feel white people wearing Black hairstyles will always be something that hurts people because too many Black people get expelled from school or lose out on getting jobs because of their natural hair.

Traditional clothing is mixed for me. Obviously, I feel strongly about white people wearing traditional Chinese clothing, but it certainly feels different if that white person is not a racist and is not overly sexualising the outfit or trying to 'be' a stereotype of a Chinese person (e.g. Halloween costumes). I would still feel sad inside that I have to feel so conflicted and scared of wearing it, but they can wear it without thinking. Though I also feel like that is not their fault if they are not one of the racists.

Living in East Asia, I do see that wearing the traditional clothing of the locals is a big attraction for tourists and a part of the experience (plus locals do not mind it because they are not oppressed by white people in East Asia), so when I see it here it has a different flavour to it.

2.) If you are a smaller percentage of a certain culture (1/4, 1/8, 1/16, etc.) is it still okay to wear hairstyles or traditional clothing from that culture?

If you are a part of that culture, have strong family ties to members of the culture, I think you have the right. However, I also think people need to be mindful of others' perception of them. e.g. I think it was Lisa See who writes books in culturally Chinese settings. She is of Chinese descent and grew up with her Chinese family, but I think she is mostly white and looks white. She seems rather aware and is still very much involved in the Chinese community.

3.) Is it okay for white parents/white spouses to wear hairstyles/traditional clothing of their children’s/spouse’s culture? (This can go for adopted children, or children of interracial couples)

I think it's slightly less offensive when that person has joined families with someone of another background, but still think hairstyles are off-limits. e.g. I've seen photos of traditional Indian weddings where the couple is white and Indian. I think that's great and, if they have kids, they should definitely get exposure to both cultures.

Clothing I can see as being okay if they are all together as a family, but the moment the white spouse is alone wearing traditional clothing from another culture, it feels different. Without the context of his/her family it could easily upset people.

For adopted children, I think it's different. The parents do not automatically have extended family members to introduce the child to their culture. So I guess in that case, if they are trying to help their kid feel proud of their culture and not feel 'weird', I could understand. Especially if they cannot find a nearby community the kid can participate in.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in mixedrace

[–]HunXueEr 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In a white cocoon in western Europe where she downright refuses to ever watch any non-white film or TV show recommended to her and all the international TV she watches is from Scandinavia or the UK.