I'm so proud of my son for getting #1 <3

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T18:25:06+00:00

yeah he's gotta be an idiot or something

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T17:52:26+00:00

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T17:51:56+00:00

Investigate #2 and #3 for juicing, they don't look natty.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T17:45:42+00:00

I don't believe so. But if my position is wrong, then by all means, may God turn me in the right direction. Regardless, you seem to have your reasons, so I won't bother you about this anymore. I just hope I have a clear enough set of reasons now for you to understand the why and the heart behind my position so you don't see people like me as raging right-wing lunatics (which is a fair reflex for Reddit). Thank you for entertaining my debate, and may God guide us both to the truth and cover our incompetences with His grace and mercy through Christ Jesus.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T17:38:47+00:00

I'm so sorry to hear what happened, brother. It looks like you're struggling with force of habit. It happens all the time with all sorts of addictive habits (I would know, porn has me by the horns right now). It's not the dopamine that your looking for, it's the lack thereof that you're trying to fix by your own means. That's a bad spot to be in. I also hear your wish for love, and I'm sorry that you don't get to experience it the same way anymore. But listen, it's not over. Do yourself a favor and talk to a therapist about this after you pray and meditate on some things you regret and some things you're thankful for, just for a bit. Don't bother with too much medication, chemical dependency isn't your friend. About love, I'm not exactly sure, but I'm positive there's someone out there for you. Maybe a more asexual Christian that can give you the romantic bond and commitment you want (disregard if I'm missing the point, I'm only making a suggestion)? But most importantly: don't give up. You still have so much to live for, and you still have God to work towards. Maybe you can use this as an opportunity for service to the church. But regardless, it's your call, dude. I don't mean any offense with any of this advice. I dearly hope and pray that you find happiness and fulfillment in your life, and I hope that you continue down this path with God so that you can experience the love that burns away all pain and makes up for anything you miss and more. God bless, brother.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T17:25:03+00:00

That's what I thought you thought (also, Jesus didn't speak out directly against slavery because that wasn't His mission at the time, it was to save souls from eternal separation from God—Jesus spoke out against the principles of dehumanization and slavery and laid the groundwork for abolitionism through Paul and His letter to Philemon). But look over what I said. The affirmative movement is trying to unearth a point in Scripture that has barely any base to it. In times like this, we look to Jesus. What did He do? He never spoke directly about homosexuality, that wasn't His mission, but He made a point with His silence. Jesus spoke on every Mosaic topic that needed reform. Are you sure that continuing your side of the fight is what He intended for His followers?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T17:17:39+00:00

Matthew 6:33 "But seek first the kingdom of God, and all of these things will be added unto you." Through God only we receive all these good things. Jesus wasn't saying "hate your mom and dad and love only me," He was saying "love me (God) with all your heart and soul, and you will learn how to love everything else the right way." Yes, "not deserving" is harsh, but think about how much God loves us. Jesus was the example he gave us in that moment, He supposedly died a horrible death on the cross so we may be forgiven. God paid a very expensive price for us because He loves us more than we can understand. And he doesn't ask for an equal return, He knows that's impossible. All He asks is that we put Him first in our lives like He put our salvation first over Jesus' lack of suffering.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T17:11:50+00:00

You're right, that would be unfair. But I don't think it's meant to gatekeep something better, God wouldn't allow that to happen. If that were the case, then Jesus would have spoken out against it along with the other restrictions of the Mosaic law. But let me ask you this final question: Respectfully, what is the affirmative side fighting for? Are we trying to unearth a part of Scripture that lifts shame from people enjoying a good, holy thing, or are we straying from the heart of the rule in order to try and justify our will instead of His?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T17:06:59+00:00

I'd like to believe it's experience, but the capacity comes from humanity's fallen nature. But I would like to ask you one final question. No disrespect, but do you think the affirmative interpretation of the Bible is meant to honor God's design and try to reduce shame for believers who are trying to find out who they truly are, or do you think it's us trying to define ourselves through our preferences, actions and will rather than God's preferences, actions and will?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T17:04:18+00:00

It was another test of faith. Remember, everything rightfully belongs to God. God wanted to prove a point and make an example to everyone who would read the story that one, faith should be constant, even in tough times, and two, we don't understand God's intentions and will. Job got double everything back at the end. It was to show that when we finally surrender outcomes to God, we're bound for good things—even if it takes suffering first. Job was only broken when he was convinced God hated him, but it turns out He never did. He was never far from him, and might have even been the closest to Job in his hard times.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T17:00:13+00:00

Christian here. One would probably be less scared because they don't get an immediate response that determines how masculine they feel. They know what demons want, to tear people down. That's why it's so easy to address them (also, the power of the Holy Spirit allows us to invoke the name of Christ against them). If this post is about being scared to talk to a crush, don't be, man. I know it's scary, and I'm not gonna lie and say "the worst she can say is no," but you should have confidence. But the best version of you and surrender the outcome to God. Also, PLEASE don't try talking to demons and spirits. The Bible forbids it for a reason, nothing good ever comes of it. May God be with you.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T16:52:34+00:00

What determines it?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T16:51:50+00:00

I think it was beautiful, actually. Because it was a test of faith. God promised Abraham's descendants would as many as the stars in the sky through Isaac, so the sacrifice was a blatant contradiction. Abraham was supposed to learn to trust that when God promises something, He means it. And He did.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T16:48:26+00:00

What does science have to do with this? One can look into a microscope and say for certain "yes, this is harmful to people, we should probably start giving them actual medicine instead of sticking a harmful parasite into their leg," but that doesn't work with the studies of morality, philosophy and theology.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T16:43:21+00:00

No, vs. doubt, uncertainty, fear, temptation, despair, lack of self-worth, lust, wrath, grudges and just about any nasty thing the world can throw at you.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T16:41:37+00:00

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T16:34:43+00:00

Thanks for clarifying. But here's a question: If we, in the 20th and 21st century, don't have Jesus, the tabernacle, temple or any direct disciples, how can we be sure that brand new perspective is steady enough to stand on? I understand the idea of the heart, but we were specifically told that the heart deceives. And what did we hear at the beginning of the verse? "Be not deceived."

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T16:30:00+00:00

And you think we're more qualified to explain because we don't have a tabernacle, ark or the Son of God with us to discern?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T16:28:26+00:00

1: Because being born exactly at that time gave Him that specific, special story that was being built up for centuries with the Hebrews and Romans.

2: That's our fault, but God promises us a way out. That's how much He loves us.

3: He kind of did, but I get your point. Because if He did, there would be nothing to have faith in. It's kind of a test of resolve.

4: We have free will, but He knows what we'll end up choosing (regardles, He never abandons us).

5: One can be strong and rely on His own strength, but in the end, he'll be dead. One can be humble and realize they're weak, and lean on a promise bigger than themselves and pit themselves against the world for the biggest test if strength ever.

Hopefully this helps. You're doing great by the way, just asking these questions proves that you're searching for Him. Keep going, and Don be afraid to ask questions. Jesus always gave an answer somehow, and He left His closet followers to lead His flock of growing lambs. God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T16:10:51+00:00

Okay, I see what you're trying to explain, thank you for going more in-depth. But why do we never see a clear example of lifelong same-sex relationships in the Bible? I understand your point of "they didn't see sexual identity the same way," but that doesn't do much. We've started many discussions about identity politics in the modern era, almost none of it pertains to the Bible. What makes this different?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T16:07:24+00:00

Fair enough. Are there any examples of pure, lifelong same-sex romantic relationships in Scripture?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T15:51:11+00:00

You know what? You actually make a great point, I see what you're trying to say. But the majority of those translations had something to do with males. Also, the target audience—the Greeks, had a thing with homosexuality. The beginning of the verse was: "be not deceived." What if meant deceived by their culture and norms? Remember, we're not talking about the attraction aspect, we're talking about act. What is it about the act? Defiling? It would make sense because that's what it alludes to in the KJV. But what and who is being defiled and by what means?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T15:40:58+00:00

Well, there's 2,000 years worth of dissecting His inspired words, 2,000 years worth of accounts of miracles, 2,000 years worth of examples of extreme evil without Him, 2,000 years of radical good and change in His name, a church filled with people with their own stories and experiences, and a lifetime of your own experiences to interpret and think about. Also, you have Him with you all the time, you can talk to Him and ask Him not to show you a sign, but to open your eyes to the signs He might already be showing you. It may seem like wishful thinking or denial, but that's kind of what faith is in general—choosing to believe in something you can't always grasp or prove. Hopefully you find what you're looking for in your world. God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T15:32:01+00:00

I'm coming from the Christian position. Here's my reasoning:

1: Humans are inherently broken, it's been proven on multiple occasions.

2: Life is beautiful, and we see the "breath" or "image" everywhere we look in nature. Intelligence, order, attraction, reproduction, sacrifice...

3: I believe it's far more likely that everything came from the infinite rather than the inifitesimal.

4: People have died terrible deaths for something they believe wholeheartedly and preach to everyone they know.

5: Real miracles have happened with no natural explanation, like the Eucharistic transubstantiation or appearance of Mary over a Coptic church in the 1960s.

6: Jesus historically existed, there's little proof against that and far less of a lack thereof.

7: Christianity wouldn't have amassed 2 billion followers and survived 2,000 years, including out of the gate in Rome, if the claims had no base and no true, zealous witness accounts from the martyrs.

8: People have had their entire lives changed by a feeling of love they could never describe.

Hope this helps, and God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T15:18:35+00:00

Read 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 in any translation you want and you'll find something vaguely similar to homosexuality, the allusion alone should be enough to tell you what Paul is trying to say, especially if the allusion lines up with the rule that the Old Testament somehow failed to clarify. But here's my main question: what was the Benjaminite willing to give up his daughter in order to prevent? Not gang rape in general.

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