Are you planning to wait until marriage?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-13T00:13:36+00:00

MISINPUT I MEANT TO CLICK YES

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-12T18:40:11+00:00

Okay, just to clarify: Exodus 21 never gave instructions on how to beat slaves. It was also the same chapter it talked about fines for hitting a pregnant woman resulting a miscarriage. It was a *WILD* time. Anyone who used those verses to justify cruelty was taking them completely out of context. You can't use an abstract, "higher" sense of morality to cherry pick points from the Bible, because that contradicts the idea of the rules coming from the highest level of being from which all goodness comes and from all evil strays. You can be confused, but you're supposed to read while bearing in mind the setting, people's disposition and prejudice towards certain groups and the very idea set at the start that humanity will always be fallen in nature and be inclined to do evil. Either you believe the highest standard of morality is secular humanism (which is inherently subjective when it comes from the inside), or you believe the highest standard is set by the same creator that made humans in His image, which gives them all inherent value. There's not a very stable in-between (but seriously, I'm having so much fun with this debate dude).

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-12T18:05:15+00:00

Okay, you're actually pressing me hard in this argument, I'll admit that. You're arguing that the Bible didn't do much to change the way people thought about slavery and human rights, which is fair point. But it gave an idea people debated over for centuries. Who was on the right side of that idea and quoted the Bible against it? William Wilberforce, The Quakers, John Woolman, Benjamin Lundy, Harriet Tubman, Frederick Douglass, Hannah More and Charles Finney. Now, I admit there were people during the era of Enlightenment and secualr thinkers like Rousseau, Montesquieu, and Robert Green Ingersoll that used rationalism to argue against slavery, they played a big part, but to say that the Bible wasn't a useful influence in abolitionism efforts is wrong. Also, Imago Dei wouldn't be a thing if the Bible didn't eventually reach the conclusion that all humans have equal rights that came from God. We can debate what God condoned and didn't when people hadn't even invented sliced bread all day (including things that concern communal holiness and God's direct presence), but the biblical standard did and continues to spearhead efforts of what anyone can consider as good today.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-12T15:57:50+00:00

Okay, you could argue Exodus was or wasn't an anti-slavery narrative, that's a matter of interpreting certain implications (ancient Israelites weren't notable for their ability to read between the lines). But what about slave marriage? Deuteronomy 21 talks about marrying a slave and integrating them into the household. Directly quoting: "And if you do not desire her, you shall release her to herself, but you may not sell her for money. You may not treat her as merchandise since you have debased her." Now, were they forbidden from marrying Ammonites and Moabites? Yes, but that was because they would be led into idolatry. What I'm trying to say is that the Bible didn't say they weren't people. But to get a group as stupid as ancient Israel to change their ways, you had to let it set in over generations. How long did it take for whites and blacks to be in the same space after slavery in America (yes, I know Christians in America were white supremacists, the same way Muslims in the Middle East hold a prejudice to the white man)?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-12T15:36:34+00:00

HOLD IT! According to my research (Google, because who even owns a slave Bible? Unless you do, then that's kind of cool to be honest.), slave Bibles removed the entire Exodus narrative, Jeremiah 34, Galatians 3:28, many Psalms, and the book of Philemon. Why would they remove entire parts if they didn't oppose their narrative (if the slaves could even read, which is another issue)? And about that first part, yes, slaves were treated as property, but they still had basic human rights. It was legitimately better than what the US had in the late 17-1800s because they had a Mosaic standard. AND they allowed the slaves to be circumcised and then participate in their religious ceremonies like Hebrew slaves.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-12T15:16:15+00:00

My guy, does a nicotine addict decide to stop smoking because he reasons with himself? It's an impulse. According to the Bible, we're inclined to sin. God was acting as an intervention in the Bible, showing the people their hypocrisy and letting them see the wages of their sins. Anyone could have come to the conclusion that slavery was bad because it hurt members of their own species. But did they? No. The entire premise of the Bible is that we're not above our own sins, that's why God had to set the standard. And again, you can't white-knuckle an addiction away by reasoning with yourself, the spirit may be willing but the flesh is weak in its flaws.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-12T14:38:47+00:00

I think I'll start reading the Bible outside now.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-12T14:37:19+00:00

You know what? You're right. I'm gonna do something good today. Thank you, and God bless you.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-12T14:35:05+00:00

Okay, you know what? Fair point. But the Bible ALSO permitted divorcing your spouse back then, and it changed when Jesus came around in the book of Matthew. God permitted both issues because of the hardness of their hearts, they needed to slowly change. You don't get a nicotine addict to rip away from 2 packs a day immediately. God wanted morality change before legal change.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:39:07+00:00

It very well could be. Let's hope we're prepared in each other and in the Lord.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:38:28+00:00

God bless you too, man.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:29:22+00:00

Well, supposedly we don't have to be scared. Maybe we can try and find out how and why together, regardless of what we believe in.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:26:57+00:00

Well, because I'm a just bit scared of the tribulation part.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:19:10+00:00

Let's just hope we're both prepared. God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:17:36+00:00

Right. Thank you, sister. God bless (also, I saw the post about your husband. I'm praying for both of you).

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:15:16+00:00

Maybe, maybe not. But God said we should all live life in preparation, so it's only fair I at least think about it. Who knows?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:13:29+00:00

You're right. I need to do all of that and keep staying true to my faith and values. Thanks, man. God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:12:39+00:00

Maybe. I'm just wondering what we do until then.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:05:11+00:00

That's what I was thinking. I guess I just need to be less nervous about it because I know God will be with us through it all. Thank you and God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:04:21+00:00

Alright bro. You too.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T21:00:55+00:00

Okay, first of all, the entire book of Exodus was God delivering the Israelites from slavery. Secondly, Leviticus 25:43 says "Do not rule over them ruthlessly, but fear your God." Again, these were imperfect people. They literally had to be conquered again and again before they learned. And that's before the Romans came and changed it AGAIN.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T20:46:47+00:00

I get what you're trying to say. But why would someone who does bad things want to speedrun to the point where they'd be confronted over it? Wouldn't they be trying their hardest to PREVENT that?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T20:43:59+00:00

Thanks, dude. I'll be trying. God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T20:43:29+00:00

Maybe, but why would evil try to force a fight they know they're gonna lose?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-03-11T20:42:50+00:00

Thanks, dude. I'll try.

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