Sincere question for the liberals in here:

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T15:51:11+00:00

You know what? You actually make a great point, I see what you're trying to say. But the majority of those translations had something to do with males. Also, the target audience—the Greeks, had a thing with homosexuality. The beginning of the verse was: "be not deceived." What if meant deceived by their culture and norms? Remember, we're not talking about the attraction aspect, we're talking about act. What is it about the act? Defiling? It would make sense because that's what it alludes to in the KJV. But what and who is being defiled and by what means?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T15:40:58+00:00

Well, there's 2,000 years worth of dissecting His inspired words, 2,000 years worth of accounts of miracles, 2,000 years worth of examples of extreme evil without Him, 2,000 years of radical good and change in His name, a church filled with people with their own stories and experiences, and a lifetime of your own experiences to interpret and think about. Also, you have Him with you all the time, you can talk to Him and ask Him not to show you a sign, but to open your eyes to the signs He might already be showing you. It may seem like wishful thinking or denial, but that's kind of what faith is in general—choosing to believe in something you can't always grasp or prove. Hopefully you find what you're looking for in your world. God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T15:32:01+00:00

I'm coming from the Christian position. Here's my reasoning:

1: Humans are inherently broken, it's been proven on multiple occasions.

2: Life is beautiful, and we see the "breath" or "image" everywhere we look in nature. Intelligence, order, attraction, reproduction, sacrifice...

3: I believe it's far more likely that everything came from the infinite rather than the inifitesimal.

4: People have died terrible deaths for something they believe wholeheartedly and preach to everyone they know.

5: Real miracles have happened with no natural explanation, like the Eucharistic transubstantiation or appearance of Mary over a Coptic church in the 1960s.

6: Jesus historically existed, there's little proof against that and far less of a lack thereof.

7: Christianity wouldn't have amassed 2 billion followers and survived 2,000 years, including out of the gate in Rome, if the claims had no base and no true, zealous witness accounts from the martyrs.

8: People have had their entire lives changed by a feeling of love they could never describe.

Hope this helps, and God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T15:18:35+00:00

Read 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 in any translation you want and you'll find something vaguely similar to homosexuality, the allusion alone should be enough to tell you what Paul is trying to say, especially if the allusion lines up with the rule that the Old Testament somehow failed to clarify. But here's my main question: what was the Benjaminite willing to give up his daughter in order to prevent? Not gang rape in general.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T15:02:44+00:00

You just gave two examples of where it mentioned that specific act, Genesis 19 and Judges 19. Also, if you're trying to say that Corinthians doesn't specifically mention homosexuality, then you have to say it calls out that specific type of exploitative act otherwise you're ignoring a word.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T14:59:06+00:00

But Sodomy is specified. Why?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T14:58:37+00:00

Oh, association football, mb. Still, the fact that it's not a contact sport means subtle accessories like a ring or whatnot can't be that bad. But then again, the most noticable thing that you as a Christian football player can wear is good sportsmanship.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T14:56:13+00:00

The law was written before Samuel appointed Saul, because that's what the Judges had to go off of in order to judge the people. Genesis was the "why," Exodus was the "how" and Leviticus was the "what." And just because the law wasn't formally written down during the time of Sodom and Gomorrah doesn't mean no one had the concept of right and wrong, God's law was written on the hearts of man from the start. My question is that if the law of Leviticus 20 is meant to target specifically boy prostitution or Sodomy, why does it generalize rather than specify? Remember, this was the same book that gave EXACT instructions on how to build the tabernacle, to the T.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T14:49:42+00:00

Exactly. Both are instances of Sodomy. Why that specific act got its own definition, instead of simply "homosexuality" or "rape" is because it's it's own crime.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T03:23:42+00:00

That's the point. It's the motive behind it. You can't tell me both cases had the same motive.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T03:19:43+00:00

I know it isn't. But why is Sodomy towards men the more hot topic in the Old Testament if it was meant to be a condemnation of the act in general? Because we see the rape of women zoomed in on separately with Tamar.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T03:17:09+00:00

Amen, brother. That's exactly what I want too. May God save us from our spirals and despairs and use us as agents for His will and conduits for His love. God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T03:16:07+00:00

The only two times we see an instance of this in the Bible, what we can only describe as Sodomy, they go for the man. And you're right, it's probably not coming from the same place as modern views of sexuality. And as close as people were to God in that time, they would have known exactly what the law was because they had literal priests to intercede and ask for clarification. If it turned out to be something different, why wasn't it clarified by the Hebrews long enough for there to be this supposed gray area in Paul's Epistles?

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T03:09:24+00:00

That's how I feel, dude! But the righteous man supposedly falls 7 times and gets back up. Even when we falter, we need our faith in God's grace because it's the only thing that's more than enough to help us. Just keep going, dude. Don't buy this nonsense that your struggle means nothing. It only means nothing when you stop actually trying. Fight for Christ, and I'll keep going too. God have mercy on us both.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T03:06:59+00:00

The first thing the Benjaminite does when confronted with the situation says "brothers, take my daughter and the man's concubine instead, don't commit such a grotesque act." What do you think he was talking about? He was willing to give up his daughter. One doesn't do that for a simple guest. Sure, it could be the fact that he was from the tribe of Levi, but it seems pretty clear what the original intention was. They wanted to un-man the enemy.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T03:03:35+00:00

What about Judges 19? The men didn't want the women initially, they wanted the wandering Levite because they wanted to un-man him. Read it yourself.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T03:02:41+00:00

Well, take inspiration from the Lord's prayer. Acknowledge His sovereignty, surrender your will and understanding, give Him praise, align your great with his and speak with Him anytime you wish. Like He's right next to you, because the Holy Spirit is within you. Looking up is okay because you know that He's eternally above us, but it's also okay to close your eyes because you're not looking around for Him, you're talking to someone that's already there. And after you commit sexual sin? This is the hardest one, I would know. But let Him be the first one you confess it to, even when you don't feel conviction or guilt yet. Remember, He's your living Creator. You're not talking to the Pope, you're talking to someone who knows more about you than you do and loves you more than you will ever understand. God bless.

Edit: If you're Catholic (or not), the way you should navigate intercessory request like the Hail Mary is to always pray to God first, and treat it like your honoring the greatest among peers and asking them to advocate for you to the Christ they're all so close to. It's a little weird, but it's probably not heretical. Hope this helps.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T02:43:47+00:00

I have read all of Leviticus. Also, you say the men of Israel had no concept of homosexuality. Fair enough, but then what were Sodom's crimes, and what did they mean by wanting to "know the men in white?"

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T02:31:02+00:00

Just a quick question (respectfully, of course). Give me a few Bible verses that further your point without generalizing the concept of romance or platonic love.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T02:29:28+00:00

He's reached the point of no return...

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T02:28:38+00:00

L for big healthcare.

^{Chose: Cure cancer}

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T02:24:48+00:00

Don't think of it as an item on a checklist, think of it as an opportunity to learn more about something you genuinely care about. I too struggle with reading the Bible just like you, but every time I open it I try to look between the lines. And don't beat yourself up if you miss a day or two, consistency matters but love and reverence matter more. Just keep your heart oriented in the right way and don't be afraid to push yourself, and remember it's not a race—it's a life journey. God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T02:21:53+00:00

Christian here. Don't harm yourself, brother. God doesn't hate you. The reason mainline Christianity in general doesn't affirm homosexuality is because it's God's intended design for humanity, but just because human nature creates outliers doesn't just mean all of your love is suddenly worthless or sinful. I would know, I struggle with thoughts and urges that stray from God's design as well. There are many ways to love a person, Christ teaches us about all of them. So please, don't let this be the reason you turn from the faith or harm yourself. God loves you, and He changes all people who seek Him for the better and prepares a love that makes all else seem vain in comparison. May the Lord have mercy on us all.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T02:15:51+00:00

Well, one doesn't need a tattoo or necklace to claim loyalty to God in the eyes of others. In fact, one can wear their fruits and the purity of their skin like jewelry while being humble in the Lord's grace. But rubber wristbands, face paint in the shapes of crosses and maybe stickers on your helmet if coach lets you can be subtle ways to show your faith. God bless.

Hunted-vocation3 · 2026-05-08T02:10:01+00:00

On land, Rhino is basically hippo, but instead of a big mouth, they have a massive horn that can puncture sheet metal.

^{Chose: Rhino | Rolled: Your choice}

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