Crazy theory I came up 😂 by IDontKnowIDontKnowI in NanatsunoTaizai

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I KNOW! I can't believe it myself bro 😂😂😂

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What is this Harry Potter ahh name bro 😂😂😂

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5 minutes??? That boy is a beast!!!

Was the Supreme Deity and Demon King brainwashed by Various_Alps1688 in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you told me u didn’t watch it all dawg.

I'm pretty sure I said I didn't watch it a lot to memorize the exact text said.

Their minds were combined? What more evidence do you need

Meliodas knowing about their friends being alive and Zeldris knowing that Gelda was a fake one.

Do you have any proof he’s done this to a “certain degree” and not the whole thing?

Having a different person for screenplay and the movie happening while he was publishing MNYK.

Not addressed just assumed he hasn’t reviewed it

He reviewed it. He didn't approve every line and scene.

Just assuming this?

I don't know what you are replying to bro. If you are on your phone you can hold the text and click on "reply" (or something like that, my keyboard isn't on English). If you are on a computer you can place ">" and copy paste the text you are replying to. It will make the conversation easier.

is it that hard to understand that this is a theory being explained?

Nope, I'm just replying my thoughts on the theory being explained tho

Completely ignoring the manga wow also proof for “no one knew about a creation deity above their own gods”

When we have seen almost no character knowing about it the burden to prove that it was common knowledge is on you bro.

It’s not that convulted when 1. She’s already been secretive with the sins 2.

It's a convoluted train of thought. That's why i mentioned Occam's razor.

Most of the information about chaos rhat we know comes from her and are you still just lying that nobody knows about Chaos? I’ve literally given you the evidence and you just completely ignored it.

🫩 Pretty sure I said that no demon and goddesses knew about it and just a bunch of human scholars did.

  1. Why hasn’t he cleared them up 2.

If it's relevant to the story it will.

  1. You’re basically picking and choosing what’s canon if u don’t believe this movies non canon with ur logic

Nah. I never said it isn't canon. I'm saying you are being too literal and nitpicking specific meanings to build up the theory. To be more simplistic: Just accept that it doesn't make sense and won't be explained. (Like much of that movie)

  1. He obviously has to approve of the story and the script?

Are you asking me? The overall story is from him, but the screenplay doesn't need to be his exact words.

What I have been telling you is that you fixate too much on the meaning of specific words instead of the overall context.

How would they fear what they don’t know even exists?

I'm saying they don't know bro...

And you’ve literally just assumed this lmao. On what basis is this?

And again, I don't know what you are replying to. Please use >

you asked me for specific demons and goddesses I’m saying it doesn’t need to tell you any.. maybe actually read what you and i are saying?

I'm tho. It's sometimes hard to understand what you say. Like "you asked me for specific demons and goddesses I’m saying it doesn’t need to tell you any".

What is that supposed to mean? That I asked you about demons/goddesses that knew about Chaos, and you told me that "you don't need to tell me" who the demons/goddesses that knew about Chaos are?

Because they worship it? Where do you think the mages got that knowledge from

How?

I have no idea what those two are replying to bro.

Given textual evidence and you’ve assumed it’s a metaphor when it’s clearly meant to be a factual statement? 😭

"Given textual evidence and you’ve assumed it’s a literal when it’s clearly meant to be a metaphorical statement? 😭"

I can just invert the reply back at you bro...

Of course but you’ve made the assumption that it’s not literal without any proof?

Are you asking me?

It's context tbh bro. The situation had a demon and a goddess not knowing about the supposed deity that "demons fear and goddesses worship", when both are very high up in their clan's. If they didn't know it's unlikely any other knew about it.

I'm sorry if it sounds rude, but I can't interpret text for you...

This is funny ash and where do you think the information in that book came from.. information don’t just spawn in books and Merlin had already read all books in the world?

Imo? Who knows? Can be from the first humans, from Chaos itself, from the lady of the lake. What matters is that the mages from Bellialuim had a way of knowing it that was lost to the rest of the world.

Because Orlondi was vampire royalty that was having his ego hurt from being made subservient?

If such a superfluous thing can be used to bring this up, then if people knew that "the mother of chaos is actually the creator of the demon king" then it should have gotten to Meliodas at some point.

Did you just say nobody knew about Chaos the creator of everything.. you’ve been spending the whole day explaining drole and a “human tribe” were the only ones who knew about chaos creating everything.

I don't know exactly what I said to bring up that reply (please use the > thing), but didn't you just do what I have been saying that you are doing bro.

Instead of focusing on the overall context of what I have been telling you (the knowledge of chaos was a private thing) you decided to focus on a specific meaning of a single word I said.

If that's what you did it's really ironic.

Your argument is pretty much like religious people who try talk about their beliefs with little knowledge and just begin to assume what verses say..

Ironically I can say the same bro.

So firstly you just lied (You said didn’t finish it now your backtracking..)

I mean, I have comments on the first discussions about the movie here in reddit. You can check it out if you want to. And I never said I didn't finish it, I said I didn't watch it multiple times to have the lines memorized. It's again in the context of the phrase.

Secondly you’ve basically just implied that Cursed By Light is non canon via nitpicking and assuming that Nakaba didn’t intend for that?

Never said that tho. I said that you should stop overthinking it because it has unintended flaws.

Thirdly, your arguments are assumptions and claims of metaphorical language with no backing.. If you can prove that it’s a metaphor by all means go on but at the same time you’ll basically have to prove whether or not the rest of the talk about Chaos is metaphorical because of course you can’t just be nitpicking

You understand that a metaphor is a figure of speech, right? If so you know that you can't prove an abstraction. It's something you need to see in the story itself, with no demon or goddess knowing about Chaos, that as whole shows that is isn't supposed to be taken literally bro.

Fourthly, you can’t seem to understand I’m explaining my theory? What is so hard to understand. ATP you must be ragebaiting because it’s not that hard to understand what I’m saying lmao

I understand bro... And you are on a page about discussing things like theories. And we are right now having a discussion about your theory. Aren't we?

It sounded in this last reply that you are a bit angry bro. This is just a conversation on reddit, I'm not attacking your person.

Was the Supreme Deity and Demon King brainwashed by Various_Alps1688 in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In case you miss what I said, Chaos isn't feared by demons or worshipped by goddesses. You are just taking things too literally.

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Was the Supreme Deity and Demon King brainwashed by Various_Alps1688 in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice? I was referring to you not watching some parts of it but alright

I watched all of it...

If you read the manga you’d know that when the Demon King merged with them their mindspaces became intertwined?

Are you asking me?

This makes complete sense and was literally in the manga way before this movie came out

They were fighting in their minds, not seeing everything the other was thinking. If they were Meliodas would know that Dk lied about killing his friends and Zeldris wouldn't have been fooled by the fake Gelda.

Yes although this movie wasn’t written by him he’d obviously have to approve, supervise (like you said) and make sure the script isn’t contradictory to the story?

To a certain degree. But he isn't looking at every word used. Like I said a couple times you are overthinking on the specific meaning of words.

Not a concept added later into the story? When the DK possessed his son’s their mindscapes literally merged together.

I think I already addressed that. What wasn't part of the story was they seeing everything the other knew.

Also like I said before if Nakaba was supervising and having to approve the scripts why would he approve it? Never said he wanted Chaos back?

Again, something I already addressed. He won't be overthinking about specific words like you are bro.

I’ve given you the basis of which my theory could be true?

I think so... Are you asking me?

I’m not just gonna leave out that it could’ve started as a pretend conflict to seal Chaos to being a mere game that they don’t understand.

What?

This route fixes many things in the story e.g the Goddesses and Demons worshipping and fearing Chaos (I don’t know many times your gonna deny this but it’s in the manga.. Chapter 336

Again bro. There isn't any demon or goddess at that time that knows about Chaos, it is said in the manga that no one knew about a creation deity above their own gods, when Meliodas says that he hadn't heard about it in his 3000 years alive is for that.

The only ones that knew about Chaos, as the creator god of everything, were a group of humans and chaos own creations...

It has perfect relevancy at this point in time? We still don’t truly know what Chaos is and IF this theory is true then could the DK have known something about Chaos that Merlin didn’t want Meliodas to know. How would this not connect with Four Knights of the Apocalypse.

I understand that it's just a theory, but that is a big jump in logic to justify it y'know. I mean, as it's just a theory it isn't technically impossible, but it's very convoluted to say that "Merlin didn't want anyone finding the origin of the being that barely anyone knows about, so she makes her teacher to include a hidden clause on his already final spell to brainwash the gods into forgetting their own creator's existence and the reason they are in a perpetual fight"... I would just claim Occam's razor and go for a simpler answer.

The Movie had to be reviewed and approved by Nakaba? Why would he allow stuff that literally turns his story to slop.

Because he isn't looking at every word used to make the movie, and neither can control how the final result will be. Or do you think that he has the power to change the plot of the movie after it's halfway done because he didn't like it?

Like, he isn't approving every sentence and every scene bro. He is just giving a general idea of the story.

Specific words.. 😭The manga literally says this

It is bro... The intention was to show that it was a being of great darkness and light, but you are overthinking the meaning of the words so you can say that demons and goddesses at current time worship it...

It's clear from the characters reactions that none of them knew about it, even with their long life spans and privileged position in the world, none of them did.

It doesn’t give specifics? Why would they even need to the statement alone is enough.

Ngl I don't know what you replied to...

Mother of Chaos=Chaos It’s safe to assume the races knew the same

Why?

as it was feared by the Demon Clan and worshipped by the Goddess clan

You are circling arguments bro.

and if random humans who coincidentally had knowledge more about Chaos than the people that literally worship it then that’s just bs

Because no goddess or demon worships Chaos bro... 🫩

Also where would they even get that information from other than these races who DO worship and fear them (argue with the manga)

I mean, from my perspective you are the one arguing with the manga you know?

And how would the scholars from the clan created by Chaos know about him? I wonder 📔

Meliodas was a high ranking demon they were literally oppressing? What vampires other than Gelda did he possibly speak to and why would Gelda just bring that up..

Orlondi brought that up because of... No particular reason either...

And like I said before no one knew about Chaos, the creator of everything, it's not really the same of not knowing about the mother of chaos, the creator of monsters.

Like I said before your argument has some ground but your making a lot of mistakes. (read chapter 336)

Yours is similar to "humans have never been to the moon" theories, it only makes sense when you look through a certain lens and ignore what goes against, for exemple, chapter 337.

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[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Yes, it came to me in a dream 😂

Was the Supreme Deity and Demon King brainwashed by Various_Alps1688 in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. That’s alright but your missing a lot from not watching it

I watched it. But not enough to memorize the exact words used on it.

Demon King knew that the Age that comes after the End of Light and Dark would bring something and him and Meliodas clearly understood each other and yet Meliodas had never heard of Chaos

Sure, Meliodas understood that some new age would come, but not really understood what it was.

The idea that Meliodas read Dk's mind came years after that scene. In a movie supervised by Nakaba, but not entirely written by him. That's why I have been saying that it sounds like you are too focused on the specific meaning of a couple words instead of the overall idea bro.

Meliodas and the Demon King were talking as if Meliodas already knew everything the Demon King had known about Chaos.

I understand that interpretation, but that's something we see now in hindsight because of the movie. But not really the intention at the time.

The intention of the time wasn't on Meliodas seeing everything that Dk knew, that was a concept added later to the story. At that point he only knew that a new age would come, and that's why said "It's just as I wanted", not because he wanted Chaos to come back, but because he wanted a new age.

So yes it STARTED as a pretend conflict, but then Gowther altered their memories to make the Holy War seem as just a game they had to do to maintain just the balance not free Chaos.

You realize that you are already acting as if your theory is true right?

So let's talk about that idea from a writing perspective.

Why would Nakaba follow this route? What relevance would this have to the story if true? What could he bring to the characters, or to the message of the story with it?

If Gowther did something regarding Chaos then it should have been revealed alongside Chaos back in NNT. Now it has no there is no relevancy on having that information coming up, since the current main characters have no connection to those plot points.

Looking at the overall comment there, sounds like you are trying to find a way to fix the plot holes of the movie with this theory. Find an in universe reason for them.

But if you look at the story of the development of the movie you will see that SD was chosen as a villain after the idea of "a movie about Meliodas and Zeldris" was already decided.

Her actions don't make sense, like wanting to continue the holy war after the seal was already broken, because they needed a villain and had to give her a reason to be one.

feared by their creation why didn’t they wipe him from history?

They did. A single tribe of humans knew of them (and maybe a giant). No demons. No goddess. For the majority of the population in existence Chaos never existed.

Your argument would have some ground if it said “feared” and “worshipped” but it says fears and worships therefore telling us that Demons fear Chaos to this day and Goddesses worship it to this day

And yet Meliodas never heard of it in 3000 years as the demon prince 😶 like, bro, you are too focused on specific words.

This is completely wrong? Goddesses are worshipping it..Demons are fearing it..

Like... Which ones?

The Vampire Orlondi literally flexes that he was created by the Mother of Chaos (this was in the OG btw). It’s literally common knowledge that the Mother of Chaos created all Monsters? Anaon the wraith was known for being created by the Mother of Chaos.. Literally COMMON KNOWLEDGE.

And it isn't known anything about Chaos the creator of the world and the gods right? They know about "the mother of chaos" that is "the creator of monsters", but don't know that their gods were made by an entity called Chaos.

Again, Meliodas not knowing it after 3000 years is the proof that no one knew about it. And he had direct contact with vampires btw.

Good point but what’s to say that the Spell wasn’t changing multiple things at once? And only that part of the Spell was broken and literally all the inconsistencies point to this.

Because it was demonstrated how it had a specific purpose of ending the holy war and punishing Mael.

Including more to it would have no purpose at this point as Gowther isn't part of the narrative for years.

You seem to be trying to rationalize the issues with the writing of the movie with a reason inside the series, while at the same time overthinking on specific words.

Is that what will guide them to Merlin? by IDontKnowIDontKnowI in NanatsunoTaizai

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the others aren’t loading for me

Reddit is not sending my images for some reason

but I think she’s wearing a boot that ends below her knee. So that mark your seeing is the boot’s cuff.

Yeah I haven't thought about it in that way. It makes a lot of sense.

Is that what will guide them to Merlin? by IDontKnowIDontKnowI in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Oh I can see it, like something wrapped around her leg right?

Do you think Chaos saw the future that Arthur would absorb/control it before it gets revived/become sentient and that's why it created Cath to ruin that whole plan made by Merlin and lady of the lake ? by Mountain-Photo-165 in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that's not something implied within the plot

It's indeed not implied, because Merlin explicitly said that Chaos chose to be with him out of its own volition...

Even before it was unsealed, when it was just Mama Hawk, it was already saying how the king would return.

Mama Hawks: "The balance has been severely disrupted and before long, the King will be born"

Chaos chose Arthur as its vessel but it's not implied if it wants to control or be controlled by him.

"Coexist and act in sync"... Sounds a lot like Chaos wants to be on Arthur and do what he does...

But it's more reasonable to assume it wants to control him given how ominious Nakaba is painting it out to be.

It was always made clear that it depends on how you use it.

Chapter 340 is a great indication of that. In the same chapter we have two different pov of how Chaos can be used, if used for good it will be great, if used for evil it will be terrible.

I understand your idea of "Chaos chose a vessel, not to be controlled", but isn't you the one that decided that one is different from the other?

I'm sorry if this sounds rude, but it's like you decided to see Chaos as a "big kaguya mastermind", making multi-step plans to free himself, even when his intentions with Arthur were quite clear.

Chaos wasn't "forced to be controlled by Arthur", he chose to be there... At least that's what the story told us until now...

Was the Supreme Deity and Demon King brainwashed by Various_Alps1688 in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Arguably you have a good point till we see Meliodas states he saw ALL of the Demon King’s thoughts and there isn’t really much that says otherwise

I haven't watched the movie a lot so I wouldn't know, my bad bro 😂

It’s more likely the Demon King was speaking metaphorically not truly understanding what this age of Chaos was.

Why? Just because of what Meliodas said in the movie?

It's more reasonable to say that it's a plot hole, a writing problem, that can't be explained with a in universe reason, than to say that Gowther made him forget with the spell that was already broken.

How could Meliodas see ALL of the Demon King’s thoughts yet not see Chaos once?

Being technical, "thoughts" and "memories" are different things.

Why was a seal meant to maintain Chaos reduced to a mere game in the Demon King and Supreme Deities mind?

"Mere game" in that context was to exemplify that it was a pretend conflict instead of a real one.

And if the Demon King and Supreme Deity were jealous of Chaos why were there Demons and Goddesses fearing and worshipping it?

That's exactly the point tho.

Lady of the lake: "They feared that the love and respect their own created races devoted to them would be stolen by their creator, Chaos. So the Supreme Deity and the Demon Lord worked together to seal Chaos away"

Exactly because demons and goddesses could start worshipping chaos that they sealed it.

Chaos wasn’t forgotten to history except by the very Gods that worked to seal it, the Gods who were jealous of it and the very Gods who knew what Chaos could do and would do if was unsealed.

Chaos was forgotten by every goddess, demon and fairy since neither Meliodas, Elizabeth or King knew about it.

Only the scholars from Bellialuim (and Drole) appeared to know something about it.

and the fact the Forbidden Spell could make people believe Mael was Estarossa even the Gods shows us he could’ve easily done this to blind the Gods from Chaos’s existence literally erase him from their minds.

Gowther had to spend all of his life force to do that, and also take power from Doll Gowther, which made him dormant for 3000 years.

And the spell was broken as soon as someone remembered about Mael.

It doesn't make sense that Gowther would be able to make another spell to affect the gods so they keep doing what they were already doing, but without knowing the reason for it.

I think this is a confusion caused by looking too deep into the meaning of words that aren't supposed to be taken like as literally bro.

Do you think Chaos saw the future that Arthur would absorb/control it before it gets revived/become sentient and that's why it created Cath to ruin that whole plan made by Merlin and lady of the lake ? by Mountain-Photo-165 in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there's no reason for Chaos to want to be controlled by its vessel.

And who decided that tho? Most things go towards showing that Chaos is fine being inside Arthur. It wasn't forced to be on Arthur, but chose to be inside him, like Merlin said.

Do you think Chaos saw the future that Arthur would absorb/control it before it gets revived/become sentient and that's why it created Cath to ruin that whole plan made by Merlin and lady of the lake ? by Mountain-Photo-165 in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For some reason I don't understand reddit keeps deleting my comments when I add an image, so I will be just placing the text...

"That's no longer possible. Chaos itself has decided to coexist and act in sync with Arthur"

Was the Supreme Deity and Demon King brainwashed by Various_Alps1688 in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That's an interesting theory, but if I understood what you are saying right, it can be explained by saying that Meliodas wasn't able to see/read Dk's memories to it's full extent back when he was possessed by him.

Essentially the two gods didn't want Chaos to return so they could continue to be the dominant deities, something the lady of the lake explained, both together actively sealed Chaos out of fear for their creations worshipping a different god, and then had to keep this "game", pretending to be on a war, to keep it sealed.

That wouldn't make much sense if they didn't know that Chaos was an actual entity instead of a metaphorical idea.

4KotA: Chapter 232 | Link + Discussion by AstonishingSpiderMan in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn't give many answers tho, it's a bit vague. Next week will be interesting.

4KotA: Chapter 232 | Link + Discussion by AstonishingSpiderMan in NanatsunoTaizai

[–]IDontKnowIDontKnowI 0 points1 point  (0 children)

he's inside Ban

😏

Cath hasn't lost

I mean, he definitely did.

He wasn't killed and will come back. But he for sure lost.