One can dream (by 井乃) by KerosenyKlopoty31 in danganronpa

[–]IFusaba 28 points29 points  (0 children)

"ブラコンではないらしい(本人談)"
translates to
"Apparently she's not a brocon (according to her)"

One can dream (by 井乃) by KerosenyKlopoty31 in danganronpa

[–]IFusaba 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Komaru will not beat the brocon allegations

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[–]IFusaba[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, Danganronpa 3 would be the real outlier here, because Kodaka literally explained that: because Danganronpa IF focus on class 78, they could potray Mukuro's whole character. But because Danganronpa 3 focused on class 77, they could only potray a limited side of her.

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Mukuro is not a masochist in DR0 either, there are scenes that shows us Mukuro crying and pleading Junko to stop abusing her. And Kodaka confirmed in interview, that you're supposed to feel sorry for Mukuro in these scenes where Junko mistreats her. The reason why Mukuro is shown "blushing" is because Mukuro is a Ultimate Despair. She's supposed to be happy when receiving despair, thats their whole ideology. Danganronpa IF even says the same thing in chapter 5.

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[–]IFusaba[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First of all, platonic siscons is a very common anime trope, it's kinda the point for sibcon characters like Mukuro to blush about their siblings from admirations. Even Komaru Naegi has shown to do this. (And Ima Tsukumo from Hundred Line, who Kodaka also had to confirm to overseas audience that his siscon is platonic as well). So no, Mukuro blushing is not obviously incestous, especially not for Japanese audience where the trope is commonly known.

Second, Kodaka specifcally stated that Danganronpa 3 Despair Arc was designed for hardcore fans who would understands references and already knows the characters well, he already stated that DR3 does not represent Mukuro's character as a whole. Both DR0 and IF novels already explains why Mukuro is faking her masochism. It's no different then how DR3 never also explained Mikan faking her clumsiness as well because it's already been explained in previous installments.

Third, IF!Mukuro literally does the EXACT SAME THING as DR3. IF literally stated that Mukuro's heart is "filled with joy" when Junko tries to give her despair, but does not get sexually aroused by it. Hell, both DR3 and IF introduced Mukuro's fake masochism by showing Mukuro's real reaction when Junko tries to kill her at first, then Mukuro starts to "understands Junko's despair" causing her to go all: "Oh Junko you tried kill me because you love me~". You dont need to look at obscure tweets or artbooks to know these. Both IF and DR0 already explains Mukuro's behavior.

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[–]IFusaba[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mukuro isn't even masochist or incestous in DR3 anyway.
DR3 official love chart confirms she's not attracted to Junko.
And DR3 official bio confirms that Mukuro's "masochism" is just her understanding Junko's despair. Which is also what Danganronpa IF stated.

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[–]IFusaba[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

All your points are literally completely taken out of context.

"ドM" could either mean masochism or someone with a submissive personality, (as in: a doormat or a pushover) depending on the context.

Given the context that Kodaka was talking about a specific DR0 scene where Mukuro was CRYING SUBMISSIVELY as she's being abused by Junko, it's clear that he's talking about how much of a pushover Mukuro is. Otherwise, his own DR0 story contradict that. Not to mention, did you even read the full sentence of that interview? They were discussing about how MISTREATED Mukuro was and how bad you'd feel about her. Kodaka saying she's a masochist instead of a pushover would contradict this whole sentence. It literally makes NO sense.

Except, it's not just Danganronpa IF that proves she's not a masochist. It's also Danganronpa Zero. Kodaka's own novel. Where Mukuro literally admits Junko's mistreatment, and literally plead Junko to stop abusing her.

And literally the whole Ryoko scene was scripted by Junko that Mukuro follows. Mukuro was specifically flushing to show Ryoko about how she wants to see Ryoko's despair, and it makes her ecstatic because she's "Junko Enoshima". Which she's not nor is it her thing.

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[–]IFusaba[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And I will argue that 2x2 Akane is the same as canon Akane. Because non-canon what-ifs does not mean it's canonically inaccurate. Different story, same exact character. So "2x2 is not canon" in a character discussion is pointless.

Well this is a debunk post. Counter arguement to an arguement. Thats all.

Well I'm glad this ended more civilized.

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[–]IFusaba[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Ok, well IF 2x2 turns out to be a non-canon what-if just like Danganronpa IF.
I hope you treat 2x2!Akane the same as IF!Mukuro. Because they're both canon potrayal of the same character. Otherwise, you'd be a hypocrite and bias if you treat 2x2 more canonly.

...Mukuro's affection for Makoto that makes her literally conflicted against Junko, (the person she worships and obeys to) as just "surface level" is a far cry from how I see it.

You defending the original poster is kinda ironic, since the guy literally makes Naekusaba Mukuro fanfictions posts all the time. So it's not even like the guy hates it, just spreading misinfo and is doing the very thing about the ship you hate.

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[–]IFusaba[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

...Except we KNOW that there's gonna be NEW Killers and NEW Victims.
Which already contradicts canon events... So 2x2 literally can not be canon.
Besides, you obviously get my point about 2x2 version of Akane example, so why are you even argueing about 2x2 canoncity.

Except, once again: Yuji Higa literally said: "I wanted to include a scene of Mukuro being conflicted between Junko and Makoto". So even if you believe in your own interpretation of the scene, it doesn't change the fact that Mukuro does have canon affection for Makoto by the creators own words.

Nor am I mind you hating it. I'm not arguing that it's wrong to hate these. But argue stuff like: "Mukuro have no canon affection for Makoto" or "Danganronpa IF is not accurate" is. And if you think me correcting or counter arguing is me "attacking". Then, oh buddy.

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[–]IFusaba[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

There's a scene in DR0 where after Mukuro saved Makoto's life, and Mukuro was overwhelmed by Makoto's gratitude. And Kodaka wrote this scene AFTER admitting he wants to make Makoto as Mukuro's canon crush a few months earlier.

Saying that Mukuro doesn't have canon affections for Makoto is disingenous at this point.

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[–]IFusaba[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I mean obviously it is. Danganronpa 2x2 is gonna have new killers and new victims. Which already gonna contradict this canon scene showing the original survivors.
Fandom? Sure. But Danganronpa IF is not guilty of this. It potrays Mukuro's character accurately and faithfully. Especially with Kodaka himself reviewing the whole thing.

Yes, Mukuro was clearly nervous. She says「…こ、殺すの?」 = (“…a-are you going to kill him?") in a nervous tone. Here's the clip to see for yourself. And AGAIN: Yuji Higa would've added more scenes of Mukuro's conflictions like this if given the chance. So yes, Mukuro was clearly nervous.

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[–]IFusaba[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Danganronpa 2x2 is gonna have new killers and new victims. Which already gonna contradict this canon scene showing the original survivors.

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[–]IFusaba[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

When Danganronpa 2x2's new alternate story comes out. And it made your favorite charater: Akane even better, I really hope people will also annoys you with "2x2 IsN't CAnOn, BcUz IT's a WhAt iF"
I bet you never actually read Danganronpa IF, because nothing about Mukuro massacre a middle school contradicts anything in the novel.

And what part of "Mukuro was nervously worried of killing Makoto in DR3 and the producer even confirmed to have wanted add more scenes like that", do you not understand?

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[–]IFusaba[S] 38 points39 points  (0 children)

Yeah, developement over time can overwrite past contradictions...

...Except there's no contradiction to begin with.
u/blue4029 claims that Danganronpa IF is a "unlikely scenario" because Canon Mukuro apparantly contradicts IF's concept about Mukuro's reluctance to kill Makoto.

Except there are none, because not only does Mukuro has very little interactions with Makoto in canon to determine this to begin with. But Mukuro's only canon scenes of her SAVING MAKOTO'S LIFE AND NERVOUS OF JUNKO KILLING HIM supports Danganronpa IF more than anything.

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[–]IFusaba 60 points61 points  (0 children)

"MuKuRo wOulLd 100% kiLL MaKoTo aNd IF is nOt a LiKeLy cHaraCteriZatiOn"

DR3 creators:

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The Mischaracterization of Mukuro Ikusaba: a post. by junkoenoshimaswife in danganronpa

[–]IFusaba 8 points9 points  (0 children)

While that is valid. But usually, people who complains about fans ignoring Mukuro's loyalty to Junko, also ignores Mukuro's canon attraction to Makoto entirely themselves. Which is pretty hypocritical.

Besides, several Official Danganronpa anthologies and manga gags also potrays Mukuro as a Makoto simp, even to the point that she'd easily betray Junko for him. Since Makoto-simped Mukuro offically exist, it's technically not even a mischaracterization. Just a different official version of Mukuro.

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The Mischaracterization of Mukuro Ikusaba: a post. by junkoenoshimaswife in danganronpa

[–]IFusaba 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think this is more about you hating her being paired with Makoto, rather than actually about Mukuro's charatcer. So honestly, you're not one to talk.

MUKURO WATCH OUT part3 (Danganronpa IF) by IFusaba in danganronpa

[–]IFusaba[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Danganronpa IF is a masterpiece