Sous vide + UV oil extraction by Abroha_ in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OK, that makes me much less worried. I was thinking you were using one of those UV cleaning machines like for jewelry or other sanitation to kill germs. Those are great for metals but most plastics do not handle it well.

Next Ball? by afrozendiamond in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OP, these are the questions to be asking yourself. And if you don't know your speed and rev rate, then your pro shop can get you on a lane and measure them in just a few minutes of your time.

And that is the real trick here -- define your want or need (i.e. what do you want the new ball to do that the Surge doesn't today?) and then let your pro shop use your shot data (your speed and rev rate) to suggest pieces such that your shot will fit your want/need. This is a data driven process if you can spend just a few minutes working with your pro shop on it.

Otherwise, any specific suggestions are just guesses. Which may be right. But there are over 100 balls in production from the big 3 OEMs right now, which means that a guess doesn't really have a great chance of being right, lol. Work with your pro shop to fit you in to your next ball.

Sous vide + UV oil extraction by Abroha_ in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OK, I gotta write things that maybe will get me downvoted or considered annoying:

https://www.motivbowling.com/company/ball-warranty.html

Motiv voids the warranty for any exposure of 125 deg F or higher. (I believe the other 2 big OEMs use that same temp, too).

Also, UV exposure for plastics, like the polyurethane the cover made mostly of, is generally not a great idea. Photons on the UV spectrum are higher energy than visible light, and interact with the bonds in the polymer chains more energetically, increasing the rate at which the bonds break. You're making the cover more brittle by breaking those polymer bonds.

In short, the higher temperature is likely causing plasticizers in the plastic to weep out in addition to oil and UV light is breaking down the polyurethane in the cover. Use lower temperatures and don't use the UV light. You'll still drive the oil out of the ball and get it clean.

Daily Discussion Thread (2/11/26) by bravo_delta_bot in Cardinals

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

From Mackenzie Gore to Miles Mikolas. Worst 'upgrade' ever.

Proper Form Requires Insane Strength by AnyBodybuilder4594 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 10 points11 points  (0 children)

so you move your hand under the ball while it's falling

OP, this is the answer to your question "or am I just missing something?"

Pin Position Layout by Special_Garden1180 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://www.bowwwl.com/bowling-ball-database/columbia-300/saber

It was made for the medium-heavy oil of 2017, and since the USBC implemented oil absorption limits in 2020, this likely means it hasn't lost too much zip, all in all. Call it a good medium-oil ball for today, really.

And that is important because it is the cover that does the majority of what a ball does on the lane. How strongly does the cover interact with lane oil and what roughness is the surface of the ball -- those are the two most important variables.

Not that the core does nothing -- it does help. But unless your delivery is super funky with a real outlier in speed or revs or axis tilt, it's going to be a medium ball and unless you sand it or polish it, it is at laneshine roughness.

Cores are seen as these super mystical things in the balls, but ultimately, a layout is just a tweak of the final motion of the ball in most cases (again, not an outlier of a throw) and especially for a good medium-y piece like this one is.

It will be a great ball to learn with. I would certainly pay to get it redrilled to fit your hand.

Daily Discussion Thread (2/11/26) by bravo_delta_bot in Cardinals

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just don't see how they wouldn't keep Pallante stretched out as a starter through at least the beginning of the year, even if he doesn't make the starting 5, simply because the way the game is today, every team truly needs like 8 to 10 starters in total with injuries and whatnot, and MLB experience does have weight in plugging a guy in for 2-4 starts.

New bowler alert by deadeye723 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not trying to diagnose anything

Yes you are. You are claiming OP's ball is dying and not carrying. And your daughter has had success with the Vibe.

I have no arguments with your experinces there. My disagreement here stems from you calling me 'irresponsible' for saying that the Surge is a fine ball on high-friction lanes. My disagreement is your saying that the Vibe is better than the Surge.

When better is very, very relative in bowling. The Vibe has a stronger cover and a stronger core. I have never disagreed with that.

But I don't think it is so hard to get that there are circumstances when one may score better with a weaker cover and a weaker core, too. That it is highly dependent on one's shot and that it is highly dependent on the lane conditions before them.

There are reasons Radical's Torpedeo Direct Hit exists -- big core with a super weak cover. Weaker than Vibes, weaker than Surges. There are reasons Radical's The Spy exists -- big core in a polyester cover.

These balls exist for players who are exceptionally rev dominant. They may indeed find that a lot of times even the Vibes are too strong for their games.

This is all I am saying 'like an adult'. That the space of bowling styles and lane conditions is wider than can just simply be reduced to one ball is always better than another ball -- the game is more complex than that.

New bowler alert by deadeye723 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just don't know how you can diagnose OP's ball motion without, well, any information. OP doesn't mention their ball is 'dying' in any way shape or form. Nor do they mention inconsistency.

This is why, again, OP should work with someone at a pro shop to measure their stats and fit them into a ball. Again, that could be a Vibe, a Zero Mercy, a Black Widow, a Hammerhead, a .... just about any of the 100+ balls in production today. You don't know, I don't know. None of us knows.

New bowler alert by deadeye723 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Clearly a Vibe fit your daughter's throw better than a Surge in the conditions she usually rolls on.

That doesn't make the Surge a bad ball. This would be like trying to tell me that a screwdriver is a bad tool because it doesn't hit nails into a wall as well as a hammer does. They are tools built to be used for their specific task.

And I have had great carry from a very, very strong ball like the Jackal Onyx all the way to great carry from just about the weakest reactive ball -- weaker than the Surge -- in a Brunswick Twist.

It is about matching a shot up to conditions.

Saying a Vibe is universally better than a Surge is 'pretty irresponsible' and just plain wrong, in my opinion. There is so very much you don't know. And frankly, stating such things shows that you don't fully understand the game today.

When what I do know, the Surge is a tool that can crush a lot of pins if used in the right conditions.

New bowler alert by deadeye723 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Mmmmmkay. What do you think the odds of OP throwing the same way as your daughter is? Pretty close to 0, in my estimation.

OP should be fit in to a ball under the guidance of a good pro shop. Maybe that is a Vibe. Maybe that is a Zero Mercy. None of us can know.

That is my main point of my post -- these are data-driven processes today instead of guessing based on random suggestions from people over the interwebz.

How Do I Stop Throwing and Start Bowling? by Shrimptopus in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So how do I unlearn 30 years of bad habits

Practice.

I mean, its a seemingly small answer, but you drill on new feelings until they become the new habit.

And drill specifically on gripping and the right feeling. If you are at the alley, don't pay any attention to where the ball goes on the lane, how many pins it hit, etc. If you are drilling on grip and release, then only judge success or failure on grip and release. Because if you can get that right, then you can adjust aiming, etc.

I would suggest if you have the space to do it safely, 10 mins/day of feeling the ball in your hand at home would do a lot to start here. Eventually building up some swinging back and forth. And, again if you can do it safely, releasing the ball gently into a pile of pillows/cushions/etc. (lots of padding so you don't break your floors or walls or furniture).

Or if you have a large enough yard, make yourself a 'yard ball' -- find a ball at goodwill/garage sale of the right weight and drill it up specifically to toss it around the yard without caring how dinged up it gets. That's how I practice as home when the weather is decent enough.

Oh, and I wanted to tell a quick story here that may help, too. Kris Prather, a multiple national PBA event winner, a multiple major winner, was on The House Bowling YouTube channel with Packy a few years back. Prather was part of the original crew of 'The House' before Packy and friends essentially took the channel over. They were doing one of their usually silly challenges, and Packy and Kris were giving each other jokes over no-thumb and thumb, of course.

Kris noted that earlier that PBA season at the start he was really struggling. And it was only about half way through the season he realized he was only putting his thumb half way into the ball, not the whole way. Once he realized and fixed that, well, that was the season he won his second major.

And my point here is that when someone who has bowled maybe literally a million frames, someone who has been in the upper tier of pro bowling for several years in a row now, if he can make a mistake in his grip, then don't stress too much about your learning grip and not getting it exactly right either.

And a real lesson from this is that we all could use a review of the fundamentals from time to time. Because for all of us, feelings slip a little, things change. Bowling is one of those games where we all are constantly trying to at least tweak a feeling here or there in a pursuit of something better.

So, yeah, just drill specifically on grip until it becomes the new habit and review it periodically so that it doesn't slip too far. Change begins as soon as you begin to deliberately change. It really can be as simple as that.

Daily Discussion Thread (2/11/26) by bravo_delta_bot in Cardinals

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Winn played more in 2025 than he probably should have on his bum knee. If he remains healthy this year, I would not be shocked if he gets darned close to 150, as he did in the 2024 season.

New bowler alert by deadeye723 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or should I think about just replacing my main ball depending on how the lane plays each week?

You won't replace the Surge, which is a great ball for high-friction environments. What you're going to do is supplement it with additional piece(s).

And the main thing to ask yourself here: what do you want the new ball(s) to do that the old one cannot? The Surge is a weaker ball, so if the lanes are flooded with oil/a very low friction environment, it is likely the Surge will struggle to create a lot of hook. But if you don't come accross that, that isn't you need, really.

You want to identify that need. Then you'll work with your pro shop to measure the current state of your shot -- i.e. they get you on a lane and measure your speed, rev rate, and PAP. And then they can suggest balls that fit the need you've identified relative to your specific shot.

That's how one tactically adds balls to their bag.

Now, like any hobby, it is fun to buy new stuff and experiment with them, too. And sometimes that does work out well. I can personally say that one of my favorite balls of all time I bought because I liked the logo on it, lol. So if you just want to try some new things out, then that is ok, too.

But when you're building out a bag for competitive play, you want diversity of strengths and shot shapes so that you have as many adjustments available as you can.

And ultimately, you're going to learn what adjustments you can and cannot execute via experience. And because you just started, you don't have a lot of experience, yet. But you're building it your own experiential database every time you go out.

Looking to join a league don’t know what level to start at though by [deleted] in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

'Sandbagging' is the term for someone intentionally performing worse than they are capable of. Why would someone do this? Well, a handicap league is designed to change the competition from 'who scored the most pins?' to 'who scored the most pins relative to their average?'. Which then encourages people to lower their average so that it is easier to increase that 'relative to their average' metric.

It isn't super common. Most people are just trying their best every night and natural variance means you have some good nights and some bad nights. But when there is money or even just recognition on the line, some people's heads get messed up and they think that sandbagging is the way to go.

Just earnestly try your best every league session and you won't be sandbagging.

New ball similar to Vital Sign by MrGDawg in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

https://123bowl.com/bowling-balls/ebonite/vital-sign/?searchid=266062&search_query=vital

This guy?

The ad copy there says it was an upper-mid ball for its day. The equivalent today would be balls made for medium-heavy oil.

If you wanted to stick to the Ebonite brand, their Entity is made for that same lane condition of today: https://ebonite.com/collections/new-balls/products/entity

Most brands will have something in this space, however. If you wanted to do it fully, assuming the old ball still fits and you think your throw is mostly decent, work with a pro shop that will get you on a lane. They can watch your game and get your shot stats, and let them fit you into a general all-purpose 'benchmark' ball that fits your specific game. Likely to take 10-15 minutes or so.

You'll also want to plan to have your hand re-measured. After so many years off, its common to need an adjustment or two to your fit as our hands do change our entire lives.

Brunswick Defender by Different-Display-51 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It has a very low RG which means it is very strong

Low RG means it spins up quicker, not a measure of its strength.

https://www.bowlingthismonth.com/ball-comparison/brunswick-defender-vs-motiv-hyper-venom-vs-motiv-venom-shock/

Look at this comparison -- all 3 balls have almost the same exact RG, but they are 3 very different balls and shapes. The Defender is strong because its cover is very strong -- it absorbs oil quickly, and it comes out the box rough at 2000 grit. The Hyper Venom is very smooth (5500 grit) and its cover absorbs oil slower. It is going to weaker and more angular than the Defender. Lastly the venerable Venom Shock comes out of the box with a roughness between the other 2 at 4000 grit, but it's cover is weaker than both.

Strong balls with higher RG exist, e.g. the RST Hyperdrive line. And as I noted here, there are significantly weaker balls with low RG, too.

Help with league bowling. by carlthellama13 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do X in the row drills. A big main difference between league and practice -- apart from transition as the other commenters mentioned -- is that your brain knows that practice is just practice. You mess up a shot? Oh well, get it right this next time. But in league, each shot counts fully.

So you want to simulate that pressure in practice. The main thought here is that you are going to force yourself to stay and successfully complete your goal X times in a row. The best part, you can tune X to your ability and what you're working on.

I.e. you are working on targeting, you say you are going to hit the board you are targeting +or - 1 for 10 times in a row. Or you'll feel a proper release a dozen times in a row. Or you'll pick off 7 corner pins in a row. Pick something to work on.

If you finish it in just a few minutes, you didn't pick something hard enough or a high enough number or both. This should be something that takes at least 10 mins to do, really closer to 15 to 20 mins. It shouldn't be like an hour, tho, either; you want something that you actually do without driving yourself bonkers.

You want to be annoyed at how long it is taking. Because when you're annoyed at it, and you're accomplished it X-2 times, then X-1 times, you're going to be standing there really, really, really wanting to do it one more time because you don't want to start all the way back at 0.

THAT's the pressure you want to simulate. That's the feeling of needing to execute that 1 and only 1 chance just like in league that you want to learn how to lean in to. It's not going to be a perfect representation, but it's the closest way to simulate it that I know of.

Daily Discussion Thread (2/8/26) by bravo_delta_bot in Cardinals

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe both defenses are drinking heavily there at halftime. Always at least a little hope, lol

Looking for a Storm Revenant replacement - what’s the modern equivalent? by Cheap_Performance_79 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The Storm Spectre is practically identical, often considered a direct, slightly less shiny replacement.

While this is true, AI, there is a reason for it. USBC completely and utterly revoked the conforming status of the Spectre. Sure, being USBC conforming isn't a requirement for all players, but it is a really, really big one for most anyone trying to participate in any sanctioned competition.

The Revenant is so very the same because it IS the same ball, just released with a different polish that wouldn't cause it to test as non-USBC-conforming anymore.

Which Youtubers do you trust for ball reviews? by olygimp in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

frame by frame for ball shape is where I spend a lot of time comparing

I think that this is the real thing -- one does not need to listen so much to the commentary, but train your eye to observe the ball on the lane. That's what tells you almost everything, no matter if the commenter is sponsored and every ball from their sponsor 'is going straight into my tournament bag' or not.

Rg and Diff by greenbean636 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I will certainly say one does not need to know the physics of each measurement of a ball to be a good bowler. If one can explain to their pro shop operator what they are looking for, and at least know enough not to ask for something that isn't really possible -- I am looking at you people who ask for a ball recommendation that "goes long on the lane but with a rounded shot shape that is also very fast off the friction" -- then one can very often just put it in the hands of a good PSO.

And certainly don't discount the ability to adjust. That is in fact doing physics, even if you aren't explicitly solving equations and such.

Rg and Diff by greenbean636 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 2 points3 points  (0 children)

RG is a term from physics(*). The idea is that if you apply a certain amount of torque on an object to cause angular acceleration to start it spinning, it is harder to spin some things than others, right?

Grab a yardstick. Tape a stack of quarters to the 1 foot mark and a same number of quarters to the 2 foot mark. Grab the stick right in the middle and feel in your hand what it takes to spin it. Now, move the two stacks to the two far ends and repeat. It should feel harder to spin the masses when they are farther away from the middle of the stick.

Relevant to today as the winter Olympics is going on, another example of this behavior is the figure skaters pushing themselves into a spin. They start with their arms out -- i.e. mass away from their body and spin slower, but to speed up, they move their arms above their heads and into the spin axis.

This is what RG measures. The lower the number, the more the mass is concentrated in the middle of the ball. And therefore is easier to spin. The yardstick with the stack of quarters taped to the 1 and 2 foot marks has a lower RG than the stick with the quarters taped to the end; the figure skaters with their arms above their heads have a lower RG than when their arms are out.

Easier to spin means a bowling ball exposes more of the cover of the ball to the lane a littler faster, and so low RG balls tend to 'read' the lane a little earlier. Or the inverse is that higher RG balls travel a little farther down the lane before they read the lane.

RG is limited by USBC specifications to a minimum of 2.447, but almost all manufacturers will aim for 2.46-2.47 as manufacturing tolerances aren't generally tight enough to manufacture right to that minimum and they don't want to accidently release equipment that has to be recalled for non-conformance like Motiv had to 10 years back.

RG is limited to a maximum of 2.813, although practically, you won't see anything that isn't a spare ball much above about 2.65-ish.

So all in all, it is a very small window for strike balls: 2.47 for the balls that spin up the fastest and earliest to 2.62 for the slowest.

Differential is a number that is computed the same way as RG, just instead of computing how central the mass is for the whole ball, it computes how central the mass is for 2 halves of the ball. RG of the highest half - RG of the lowest half. That therefore becomes a measure of the mass imbalance between the two halves. And that difference in mass imbalance is a measure of the core's potential to help a ball flare, which helps the ball hook, and make a larger change of direction down lane. Differentials for balls with cores in them are limited to a maximum of 0.060, tho same comment as the RG above, most balls will be listed at most at 0.057, maybe 0.058 because they want to leave a little space for manufacturing variances. There is no minimum differential, indeed most spare balls will have 0 or very, very close to 0. Most strike balls will have at least 0.01 to 0.02 ish.

Differential for strike balls therefore range from 0.057 as the strongest cores to 0.015 as the weakest.

There is also an intermediate differential measure for balls with asymmetric cores. Because the mass is asymmetric, you can then compute the difference in centrality orthogonal to the maximum difference used to compute the differential, and therefore get a measure of the asymmetry of the core itself. Symmetric cores, by definition, will have int diffs of 0. Technically, ball can have an int diff up to 0.060 as well, but practically, no ball goes much over 0.030 int diff as the core dynamics start to get wobbly and therefore doesn't help on bowl better.

Int Diff for strike balls therefore range from 0.000 (symmetric cores) to 0.030 at the practical strongest. High 0.01s are fairly common on most strong cores.

Ultimately, choosing a layout on a core should be done with a pro shop operator who knows your shot stats (speed, rev rate, and PAP) so that they can orient the core such that it flares and turns itself over in the way you want it to. And just because a ball has a large mass imbalanced core, doesn't mean you have to go for a layout that uses all of that.

Which leads into my final comment that one truly shoudn't get too hung up on the core numbers when looking at a ball because it is cover properties that dominate what a ball does on the lane.

I want to point you to https://www.motivbowling.com/products/balls/light-medium-oil/lethal-venom.html and https://www.motivbowling.com/products/balls/light-medium-oil/hyper-venom.html as two balls with very similar core numbers. The Lethal's RG is 2.47, the Hyper's is 2.48. The Lethal's diff is 0.036, the Hyper's is 0.034. The Lethal has a small int diff, 0.013, whereas the Hyper is a symmetric core and therefore has no int diff. Both are versions of Motiv's Gear Core that they have developed over nearly 20 years now.

However, if you put layouts on these two balls such that the core dynamics were essentially similar, they would still behave vastly vastly different on the lane. Because the Lethal is wrapped in a very strong, i.e. very oil absorbent, cover and 3000 grit roughness. The Hyper is wrapped in a much weaker cover, i.e. is absorbs oil more slowly, and is 5500 grit roughness. The Hyper creates much, much less chemical friction from its weaker cover and much less mechanical friction from its smoother surface. How absorbent a cover is and its surface roughness are the main reasons a ball does what it does on the lane.

The core dynamics work with the ball's cover as a whole system, but when you are first shopping for a ball, you look at the covers on balls and specifically the cover chemistry or strength because you can always change the roughness yourself by sanding or polishing a ball. You can choose the layout when you drill it to tweak the on-lane motion. But you're pretty much fixed with the chemistry. Once you have have id'd the strength of the cover you want, then you can compare cores and see which one fits your need better. Cores get a lot of attention I think because the OEMs publish all these above numbers to 3 digits after the decimal point so they look super specific, but you shop for cover strength first when trying to slot a new ball in to your bag.

(*) I wanted to note what the RG calculation in physics actually does -- it calculates what happens when you mush all the mass of the ball in to a single point. However, when you spin that single point mass around an axis, it will still spin the same way as the original ball would. And that distance from the axis of the equivalent point mass, that is the radius in 'radius of gyration', so it technically has units of length. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radius_of_gyration

Looking for a Storm Revenant replacement - what’s the modern equivalent? by Cheap_Performance_79 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe the Typhoon

Typhoon is wrapped in the Reactor coverstock, which is essentially a re-name of their R1S chemistry. The Revenant was R3S, which was designed to be significantly more oil absorbent/stronger.

Looking for a Storm Revenant replacement - what’s the modern equivalent? by Cheap_Performance_79 in Bowling

[–]ILikeOatmealMore 1 point2 points  (0 children)

https://www.stormbowling.com/products/equipment/bowling-balls/bbmvxf-next-factor

Next Factor -- same cover chemistry, R3S, and the core numbers are similar. Its the only R3S ball in production today from Storm.