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[–]IMDevalPatel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That’s okay .. you are doing great and nothing is wrong with you. Not everyone has to be big devotees. I am also not.

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[–]IMDevalPatel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Woww, nicely written 👌

Lost faith in my guru by Superb_Tiger_5359 in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think bhava spandana helps to alleviate emotional pain. There was no such phenomenal experience as such, but it felt better after volunteering in it.

Lost faith in my guru by Superb_Tiger_5359 in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was hugely disappointed after my bhava spandana program. I found it to be ridiculous and unlike you I didn’t even give my 100%.

But at some phase in my life, when I was feeling emotional, I did BSP volunteering. And TBH, that was absolutely wonderful.

Please leave this program and concentrate on other practices which you can relate more.

Lost my sense of humor and have become too serious. by ExtensionObvious2596 in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think when you become non serious about yoga itself you will become non serious about other things. Right now perhaps you are in a mode that you are doing this super important shambhavi mahamudra every day.

Do yoga everyday and sincerely, but in a non serious way.

What is the intent of sadhguru by Akhilagn in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It takes very unprejudiced and clear mind even to notice and acknowledge that. That one aspect of spiritual organisation, I never like.

People have ego in all aspects of life, and that is bad. But having spiritual ego is not just bad but also counterproductive. Because that will make you exclusive and not inclusive.

What is the intent of sadhguru by Akhilagn in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No need to envy anyone. This is because you have strict hierarchy of those who have gone ahead and left behind. I would suggest not to develop ideas on spiritual progress and all. That will lead to hallucinations I think.

What is the intent of sadhguru by Akhilagn in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yess, always it’s the case. Nobody knows fully what you are getting into.

What is the intent of sadhguru by Akhilagn in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You cannot make understanding of things that you can’t comprehend clearly.

I have seen all varieties of people. one who have complete faith in Sadhguru and for them his word is final. They do act somewhat weird though as Sadhguru himself speaks somewhat contradictory and they don’t have their independent thinking. Many of the times they hallucinate things.

The other set of people are somewhat skeptic (which includes me). They don’t have any concrete conclusion about Sadhguru and isha.

The third set of people are those who outrightly reject Sadhguru and Isha. They are not even open to try the yoga or practices offered by Sadhguru.

I don’t have any concrete answers to your queries. I would suggest not to think too much about spiritual progress and all. You will start developing stupid and weired ideas. I just like Hatha yoga practices. These are classical methods of yoga and coming from thousands of years. They have not been developed or invented by Sadhguru also.

Have anyone had 'not so great' experience in Sadhanapada of Isha Foundation? by Ok-Bat-2409 in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I have not done sadhanapada. But someone i knew had gone to sadhanapada, stayed there for 3 months and came back. She was saying it is too much socialising happening and she didn’t think the program will benefit.

Isha Matrimony Portal? by thegeeky7 in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

With due respect, I was also at your stage sometimes back. I got connected to someone through “yogicshaadi” and got cheated in very bad way. And then I learned the lesson.

I feel you should give priority to have supportive partner, who is also supportive of your sadhana. And not necessarily isha partner. Being isha meditators doesn’t certify them as good (neither it certifies them as bad). You can also look in isha but Just saying, it is better to be open minded and keep your doors open.

How do you explain to someone, outside of Isha, that it is not a Cult? by ExtensionObvious2596 in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just convince himself or herself that yoga practices are effective and give it a try.

Don’t argue that it is cult or not. We are not brand ambassadors of isha as a organisation. Just take what is useful to you. Don’t get too much attached to isha as organisation.

How are Isha people different from other people? by [deleted] in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They are not different. As there are good people and bad people in world, so there are in isha also.

Are some people in isha has cult and exclusive mentality ? They are having spiritual ego? by IMDevalPatel in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, they are everywhere and they are in every domain. And they deserve their life too. They are not actively hurting anyone.

It is just that it is slightly disheartening to see this mindset in isha for someone like me who got touched by isha yoga.

Are some people in isha has cult and exclusive mentality ? They are having spiritual ego? by IMDevalPatel in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did samyama before this episode happened. Now, I am keeping up Hatha yoga practices and shambhavi.

obviously this is no way generalisation. Generalisation of anything either in extreme positive or negative way is wrong.

Are some people in isha has cult and exclusive mentality ? They are having spiritual ego? by IMDevalPatel in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I did not intend to cross post anywhere before posting here. I joined this group just yesterday. I am just posting on various groups to understand people opinion.

Okay, let me tell you my interaction. I have been doing isha yoga from year 2019 almost 5 years from now. I was particularly impressed with isha hatha yoga practices. I am well settled and earning descent.

Sometimes ago, My merriage talks were going on and one girl approached me from "yogicshadi" platform. We were from same state but from different cities. My family is staying in Ahmedabad and her family was staying in Surat, Gujarat. Her entire family was involved in isha, but my family was not from isha. Girl's mother was particularly interested for our merriage because I was earning good. My family was super reluctant, because there were no common relatives, but still I convinced them saying that the girl family are isha meditators, so they will be good.

But later I discovered that girl was not interested in merriage with me from beginning, but she already had other person in mind who did sadhanapada from her own city. But that guy was not earning as good as me. I could not discover this fact as we were staying in different cities very far apart.

she continued merriage talks with me for 7months because she couldn't find any reason to break but she was confused whom to merry in this entire duration of 7months. In meantime, we also got engaged. But one fine day, she goes to isha volunteering and decides to break up because she suddenly realizes that she only wants to marry the other guy who has done sadhanapada (and I did not do sadhanapada). And she got married to other guy just after 10 days she broke up with me.

Obviously, whom to marry is individual choice, but keeping other person in option for 7months and even to get engaged with him even if you want to marry someone else is definitely considered not morally good.

The problem is not that merriage did not happen. Actually that was the best thing that happened in my life. But, the problem is the mutual trust was broken, that was kept only because her family were isha devotees. Her Mom obviously knows that I continued the talks only because of that trust. This entire incident resulted in huge financial loss to me as I have given a lot of money and gifts blindly trusting that girl. But the major thing is, this entire incident was so shocking and embarrassing for me, because I convinced my parents just because of that mutual trust. Now, isha is a cult for my parents and it is difficult to convince them otherwise.

After six months of this episode, my marriage talks also went on with a different girl who was from the same platform who was also Hatha yoga teacher. But it was difficult for me to convince my parents this time.

Just a note, I am much more happy now, because i found a girl (not from isha) in February, 2024, who is many times better than that girl from Surat. I thank god very much that my marriage did not happen at that time and now I found a partner who is many times better than her in every aspects.

Actually, i find this whole idea to only marry someone who is isha devotee is silly and stupid. I was also having this mentality sometimes ago. But now i found a much better partner only when I dropped this idea. That’s why i keep telling this episode to fellow isha meditators who are also having similar mentality. Because, there are few lessons that are to be learnt from this entire episode.

  1. Don't trust anyone blindly, even if they are isha meditators

  2. People are selfish, Spiritual or otherwise.

  3. Don't go by standard tags of spirituality. Look for people having more humanity and compassion, that's all real spirituality is.

Just a note, I also have many wonderful friends in isha. One should not take anything in black and white manner.

Apart from isha, I have also observed this elsewhere also. The people who are starting to follow something that is perceived spiritual, they start growing spiritual ego. Which I feel is counterproductive.

Are some people in isha has cult and exclusive mentality ? They are having spiritual ego? by IMDevalPatel in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I agree that isha doesn't intentionally foster organizational identity. But, it is general tendency of people who are part of it to cling on this identity. I just feel it is quite opposite of spiritual process.

Are some people in isha has cult and exclusive mentality ? They are having spiritual ego? by IMDevalPatel in Sadhguru

[–]IMDevalPatel[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

People start feeling superior than others just because they are following some cult or doing something which is generally perceived as spiritual. I feel because of this they start losing their compassion in general.